Modern morality has started to disgust me!!

"Iran's judiciary has postponed the blinding of a man as punishment for throwing acid in the face of a young woman in 2004, after she rejected his offer of marriage. The delay came in the face of mounting outcry both inside Iran and in the West over the sentencing, which is permissible under qesas, a principle of Islamic law allowing victims analogous retribution for violent crimes."

What is wrong with the punishment? This f****** a****** ruined the whole life of a young woman over his insecurity of being unable to accept a rejection, it might have been better had he killed her. I find it despicable that someone would try to "pity" that man, revenge is the only justice sometimes. If this guy isnt given a similar punishment what example does it set? A simple life time punishment is nothing for this sort of a thing, the man will have a much better life behind bars than the woman will ever have anywhere.

If you are against this punishment then you are denying justice to this lady, it's as simple as that. These "human rights" thing despises me at times, you dont agree with eye for an eye? Sure when your face get burned and you get blind, dont take revenge but dont try to impose this onto others.

Read this again,

"The case has stirred passionate interest in Iran since 2004, when Majid Movahedi, a university student, accosted Ameneh Bahrami on a Tehran street and tossed a red bucket of sulfuric acid in her face. Bahrami, an attractive young engineer, had repeatedly spurned Movahedi's proposals and reported his harassment to the police. She was blinded and severely disfigured in the attack, and has spent the intervening years between Iran and Spain undergoing numerous unsuccessful operations to reconstruct her face and repair her sight."

I cant think of much worse that can happen in life.:(

I dont believe in an eye for an eye. Yes it is a tragedy, does that mean we should tie the man to the ground an whip him 400,000 times? No. Lets be a little humane thanks.

I mean, seriously, charge the guy with assault or something worse perhaps, but dont stab him in the eyes. That's not justice.

I dont believe in an eye for an eye. Yes it is a tragedy, does that mean we should tie the man to the ground an whip him 400,000 times? No. Lets be a little humane thanks.

I mean, seriously, charge the guy with assault or something worse perhaps, but dont stab him in the eyes. That's not justice.

Nibroc420

"Iran's judiciary has postponed the blinding of a man as punishment for throwing acid in the face of a young woman in 2004, after she rejected his offer of marriage. The delay came in the face of mounting outcry both inside Iran and in the West over the sentencing, which is permissible under qesas, a principle of Islamic law allowing victims analogous retribution for violent crimes."

What is wrong with the punishment? This f****** a****** ruined the whole life of a young woman over his insecurity of being unable to accept a rejection, it might have been better had he killed her. I find it despicable that someone would try to "pity" that man, revenge is the only justice sometimes. If this guy isnt given a similar punishment what example does it set? A simple life time punishment is nothing for this sort of a thing, the man will have a much better life behind bars than the woman will ever have anywhere.

If you are against this punishment then you are denying justice to this lady, it's as simple as that. These "human rights" thing despises me at times, you dont agree with eye for an eye? Sure when your face get burned and you get blind, dont take revenge but dont try to impose this onto others.

Read this again,

"The case has stirred passionate interest in Iran since 2004, when Majid Movahedi, a university student, accosted Ameneh Bahrami on a Tehran street and tossed a red bucket of sulfuric acid in her face. Bahrami, an attractive young engineer, had repeatedly spurned Movahedi's proposals and reported his harassment to the police. She was blinded and severely disfigured in the attack, and has spent the intervening years between Iran and Spain undergoing numerous unsuccessful operations to reconstruct her face and repair her sight."

I cant think of much worse that can happen in life.:(

Gambler_3

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

I dont believe in an eye for an eye. Yes it is a tragedy, does that mean we should tie the man to the ground an whip him 400,000 times? No. Lets be a little humane thanks.

I mean, seriously, charge the guy with assault or something worse perhaps, but dont stab him in the eyes. That's not justice.

k2theswiss

I dont believe in an eye for an eye. Yes it is a tragedy, does that mean we should tie the man to the ground an whip him 400,000 times? No. Lets be a little humane thanks.

I mean, seriously, charge the guy with assault or something worse perhaps, but dont stab him in the eyes. That's not justice.

Nibroc420

The guy was caught red-handed MELTING SOMEONES FACE OFF. I say dip his whole body in the acid. Humane has no place in cases like this. You may cry and rant "bu, buh.... TEH HUMAN RIGHTZ!!!" but think about what you would want if this happened to you, hell, if it happened to a family member. You would be screaming for revenge. We all know it.

[QUOTE="k2theswiss"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

I dont believe in an eye for an eye. Yes it is a tragedy, does that mean we should tie the man to the ground an whip him 400,000 times? No. Lets be a little humane thanks.

I mean, seriously, charge the guy with assault or something worse perhaps, but dont stab him in the eyes. That's not justice.

chaoscougar1

If we do anything less then cruel punishment it shows weakness. I can melt your face in to a disfigured monster looking face and get 2 year in prison... meh, whatever. You have to live forever with your p[nishment. I get out on bail in a few months and deal with a parole officer for a while. My life would be in shambles after that.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

I dont believe in an eye for an eye. Yes it is a tragedy, does that mean we should tie the man to the ground an whip him 400,000 times? No. Lets be a little humane thanks.

I mean, seriously, charge the guy with assault or something worse perhaps, but dont stab him in the eyes. That's not justice.

k2theswiss

I like eye for an eye? Am I the only one? xDNukaNuked

You're not.
However, I'm more of a "Take an eye, get your head chopped off" kinda guy.

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"][QUOTE="k2theswiss"] hows that not justice. Anything you do to someone should be ten folds worse for you. F1ame_Shie1d

If we do anything less then cruel punishment it shows weakness. I can melt your face in to a disfigured monster looking face and get 2 year in prison... meh, whatever. You have to live forever with your p[nishment. I get out on bail in a few months and deal with a parole officer for a while. My life would be in shambles after that.

I'm not sure if you're serious.

Rather than tossing a jar of acid at this man and sinking to his level, or as you suggest, put him on a private beach and cater to his every need. Why dont we lock him up? if he's a serious danger to society, keep him in jail forever.

I can't believe people are honestly still crying for "eye for an eye" punishments. Whats next? "You hit me with your car at ~50mph, so now wait here while i get my car" or "You killed my wife, so i'm going to kill your wife" Yeah, doesn't seem quite logical to me.

[QUOTE="F1ame_Shie1d"]

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"] That's a good idea, we shall show that we are better than him by lowering ourselves to his level. That will workNibroc420

If we do anything less then cruel punishment it shows weakness. I can melt your face in to a disfigured monster looking face and get 2 year in prison... meh, whatever. You have to live forever with your p[nishment. I get out on bail in a few months and deal with a parole officer for a while. My life would be in shambles after that.

I'm not sure if you're serious.

Rather than tossing a jar of acid at this man and sinking to his level, or as you suggest, put him on a private beach and cater to his every need. Why dont we lock him up? if he's a serious danger to society, keep him in jail forever.

I can't believe people are honestly still crying for "eye for an eye" punishments. Whats next? "You hit me with your car at ~50mph, so now wait here while i get my car" or "You killed my wife, so i'm going to kill your wife" Yeah, doesn't seem quite logical to me.

He wont be kept in jail forever is the problem. He will be out within 5 years and his life will go on. He'll probably re-offend and ruin someone else's life in the same manner and, once again, you'll be crying for his civil rights. Why should he deserve a humane punishm,ent for an inhumane crime? He doesn't, anybody that thinks he does is wrong.

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"][QUOTE="k2theswiss"] hows that not justice. Anything you do to someone should be ten folds worse for you. F1ame_Shie1d

If we do anything less then cruel punishment it shows weakness. I can melt your face in to a disfigured monster looking face and get 2 year in prison... meh, whatever. You have to live forever with your p[nishment. I get out on bail in a few months and deal with a parole officer for a while. My life would be in shambles after that.

Yeah, thats exactly what I meant, God forbid there would be a middle ground in there somewhere...

2 years in prison aye? Who is handing out your convictions? Cause if I ever commit a crime, I am seeing that judge

Cruel and unusual punishment should not be exercised by the government, regardless of the severity of the crime. That is not justice; it's petty revenge.Theokhoth

Cruel and unusual punishment should not be exercised by the government, regardless of the severity of the crime. That is not justice; it's petty revenge.Theokhoth

Taking an eye for an eye literally is often problematic. In some cultures that means theft warrants the removal of a hand. Is that justice? Jail time or hard labor is a surer punishment.

Taking an eye for an eye literally. In some cultures that means theft warrants the removal of a hand. Is that justice? Jail time or hard labor is a surer punishment.

Brendissimo35

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Brendissimo35"]

Taking an eye for an eye literally. In some cultures that means theft warrants the removal of a hand. Is that justice? Jail time or hard labor is a surer punishment.

InEMplease

How about forcing them to listen to Rebecca Black's "Friday" over and over again? Or is that too close to torture?

[QUOTE="F1ame_Shie1d"]

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"] That's a good idea, we shall show that we are better than him by lowering ourselves to his level. That will workchaoscougar1

If we do anything less then cruel punishment it shows weakness. I can melt your face in to a disfigured monster looking face and get 2 year in prison... meh, whatever. You have to live forever with your p[nishment. I get out on bail in a few months and deal with a parole officer for a while. My life would be in shambles after that.

Yeah, thats exactly what I meant, God forbid there would be a middle ground in there somewhere...

2 years in prison aye? Who is handing out your convictions? Cause if I ever commit a crime, I am seeing that judge

The only way to teach you people that humane treatment of criminals is utter crap is to make you a victim. I would love it. Watching you defending your attacker in court. What sense does that make? NONE! Put yourself in this poor womans shoes. A beautiful successful womans life ruined by some unstable jerk and you cry for him to get a slap on the wrist. Sorry, I can never agree with you. You're simply wrong.

[QUOTE="F1ame_Shie1d"]

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"]

Yeah, thats exactly what I meant, God forbid there would be a middle ground in there somewhere...

2 years in prison aye? Who is handing out your convictions? Cause if I ever commit a crime, I am seeing that judge

InEMplease

The only way to teach you people that humane treatment of criminals is utter crap is to make you a victim. I would love it. Watching you defending your attacker in court. What sense does that make? NONE! Put yourself in this poor womans shoes. A beautiful successful womans life ruined by some unstable jerk and you cry for him to get a slap on the wrist. Sorry, I can never agree with you. You're simply wrong.

As if jailtime in Iran is a slap on the wrist. What you're doing is making things personal, which is what the law should try and avoid.

I'm not argueing about this one case alone. I mean all over the world. Sure jail time in Iran is a lot more harsh then anything they would experience in the Americas. But a few beatings and starvation isn't equal to disfiguring a person for their life... with ACID.

[QUOTE="Brendissimo35"]

Taking an eye for an eye literally. In some cultures that means theft warrants the removal of a hand. Is that justice? Jail time or hard labor is a surer punishment.

LJS9502_basic

I jail time meant to be solely a deterrent? I thought the purpose was also to keep criminals segregated from society. To say that it doesn't deter anyone is of course false. It does. Just not as many people as we would like it to. And hard labor doesn't exist? What can you mean? It doesn't exist as a punishment? That certainly isn't true. What do you call prison work gangs, or even community service sentences?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Brendissimo35"]

Taking an eye for an eye literally. In some cultures that means theft warrants the removal of a hand. Is that justice? Jail time or hard labor is a surer punishment.

Brendissimo35

I jail time meant to be solely a deterrent? I thought the purpose was also to keep criminals segregated from society. To say that it doesn't deter anyone is of course false. It does. Just not as many people as we would like it to. And hard labor doesn't exist? What can you mean? It doesn't exist as a punishment? That certainly isn't true. What do you call prison work gangs, or even community service sentences?

Once again, the West is assuming that their moral views are far more greater than anyone else's. I am neither here nor there in the argument but I dislike it when Western countries and organizations try to impose their views on others.

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

"Iran's judiciary has postponed the blinding of a man as punishment for throwing acid in the face of a young woman in 2004, after she rejected his offer of marriage. The delay came in the face of mounting outcry both inside Iran and in the West over the sentencing, which is permissible under qesas, a principle of Islamic law allowing victims analogous retribution for violent crimes."

What is wrong with the punishment? This f****** a****** ruined the whole life of a young woman over his insecurity of being unable to accept a rejection, it might have been better had he killed her. I find it despicable that someone would try to "pity" that man, revenge is the only justice sometimes. If this guy isnt given a similar punishment what example does it set? A simple life time punishment is nothing for this sort of a thing, the man will have a much better life behind bars than the woman will ever have anywhere.

If you are against this punishment then you are denying justice to this lady, it's as simple as that. These "human rights" thing despises me at times, you dont agree with eye for an eye? Sure when your face get burned and you get blind, dont take revenge but dont try to impose this onto others.

Read this again,

"The case has stirred passionate interest in Iran since 2004, when Majid Movahedi, a university student, accosted Ameneh Bahrami on a Tehran street and tossed a red bucket of sulfuric acid in her face. Bahrami, an attractive young engineer, had repeatedly spurned Movahedi's proposals and reported his harassment to the police. She was blinded and severely disfigured in the attack, and has spent the intervening years between Iran and Spain undergoing numerous unsuccessful operations to reconstruct her face and repair her sight."

I cant think of much worse that can happen in life.:(

NukaNuked

More like 2 eyes for a face.

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"]

[QUOTE="F1ame_Shie1d"]YEah, instead lets fly them off to an isolated beach house and cater to their every need. That'll show em whos boss:roll:

If we do anything less then cruel punishment it shows weakness. I can melt your face in to a disfigured monster looking face and get 2 year in prison... meh, whatever. You have to live forever with your p[nishment. I get out on bail in a few months and deal with a parole officer for a while. My life would be in shambles after that.

F1ame_Shie1d

Yeah, thats exactly what I meant, God forbid there would be a middle ground in there somewhere...

2 years in prison aye? Who is handing out your convictions? Cause if I ever commit a crime, I am seeing that judge

The only way to teach you people that humane treatment of criminals is utter crap is to make you a victim. I would love it. Watching you defending your attacker in court. What sense does that make? NONE! Put yourself in this poor womans shoes. A beautiful successful womans life ruined by some unstable jerk and you cry for him to get a slap on the wrist. Sorry, I can never agree with you. You're simply wrong.

So you are more angry at your own countries justice system? Anywhere in the western world and I can pretty much guarantee he would get a little longer than 5 years. You seem to place little value on jail time and are condemning those who suggest it while also saying they should feel empathy for the victims plight. So with this small amount of value placed on jail time, I assume you have done hard time yourself and know what it is like?

Once again, the West is assuming that their moral views are far more greater than anyone else's. I am neither here nor their in the argument but I dislike it when Western countries and organizations try to impose their views on others.

lowkey254

[QUOTE="F1ame_Shie1d"]

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"]

Yeah, thats exactly what I meant, God forbid there would be a middle ground in there somewhere...

2 years in prison aye? Who is handing out your convictions? Cause if I ever commit a crime, I am seeing that judge

chaoscougar1

The only way to teach you people that humane treatment of criminals is utter crap is to make you a victim. I would love it. Watching you defending your attacker in court. What sense does that make? NONE! Put yourself in this poor womans shoes. A beautiful successful womans life ruined by some unstable jerk and you cry for him to get a slap on the wrist. Sorry, I can never agree with you. You're simply wrong.

So you are more angry at your own countries justice system? Anywhere in the western world and I can pretty much guarantee he would get a little longer than 5 years. You seem to place little value on jail time and are condemning those who suggest it while also saying they should feel empathy for the victims plight. So with this small amount of value placed on jail time, I assume you have done hard time yourself and know what it is like?

I have no problem with jail time. I have a problem with paying inmates, feeding them better then we feed people on welfare or barely scraping by and treating them like they did nothing wrong. Jail is also good in case the person is not actually guilty(the one valid point nobody seems to be using to argue with me???). Although I only believe in a harsh sentence if the person is caught red-handed, not arrested 6 months later because the cops think they've built a solid case against a guy, so you would lose on that point anyways.

Jail time would work for minor crimes. But once you start toying with peoples lives by murdering them, or someone dear to them, or disfiguring them then they deserve equal punishment. Jail will not rehabilitate someone willing to do this stuff.

[QUOTE="lowkey254"]

Once again, the West is assuming that their moral views are far more greater than anyone else's. I am neither here nor their in the argument but I dislike it when Western countries and organizations try to impose their views on others.

chaoscougar1

[QUOTE="lowkey254"]

Once again, the West is assuming that their moral views are far more greater than anyone else's. I am neither here nor their in the argument but I dislike it when Western countries and organizations try to impose their views on others.

chaoscougar1

And eye for an eye seems very fair. Iran should go through with it. This womans life has been ruined by him and his ego.

Okay, I'll give you all an example of how flawed our system is. In July 2008 I read in the papers a man went berserk on a greyhound bus out of nowhere. He stabbed a teen to death, un-provoked, cut off the teens head and waved it around to everyone who had evacuated the bus.

He was arrested on site covered in blood with a ton of witnesses saying what he did. The crime obviously pre-meditated(why have a big knife with you on a bus?)

Do you know what this mans sentence was? Not Guilty. He was diagnosed schizophrenic, refused treatment and ran away from the facility where he was being kept.

This is the system you are all defending? Once again I say YOU ARE ALL WRONG!

Okay, I'll give you all an example of how flawed our system is. In July 2008 I read in the papers a man went berserk on a greyhound bus out of nowhere. He stabbed a teen to death, un-provoked, cut off the teens head and waved it around to everyone who had evacuated the bus.

He was arrested on site covered in blood with a ton of witnesses saying what he did. The crime obviously pre-meditated(why have a big knife with you on a bus?)

Do you know what this mans sentence was? Not Guilty. He was diagnosed schizophrenic, refused treatment and ran away from the facility where he was being kept.

This is the system you are all defending? Once again I say YOU ARE ALL WRONG!

F1ame_Shie1d

Vince Li was found "not criminally responsible", there is a difference. I'm having trouble finding any articles saying that Li refused treatment and fled the facility, so if you have the link handy send it this way.

I dont believe in an eye for an eye. Yes it is a tragedy, does that mean we should tie the man to the ground an whip him 400,000 times? No. Lets be a little humane thanks.

I mean, seriously, charge the guy with assault or something worse perhaps, but dont stab him in the eyes. That's not justice.

Nibroc420

An eye for an eye makes the world blind.

An eye for an eye makes the world blind.

lordreaven

As i have always said when qustioned about revenge,

If someone cut your balls off, wouldn't you cut his balls off?!

Balls for balls in my case.

An eye for an eye makes the world blind.