Most overrated athlete, in your opinion.

Hideki Matsui from the Yankees. The guy is just there playing barely over mediocre in the outfield and is the walking example of the difference between the ease of hitting homeruns in the Japan Leagues and the comparative difficulty of hitting them in MLB, but because he's from Japan he is pretty much given a pass. There are better Japanese players in MLB that they could be lumping praise on.

Eli Manning comes in a close second. The Giants' Superbowl winning team is an example of the sum of the whole being worth more than adding up the individual pieces. Yet, ESPN and other media outlets want to act like he's just as good as Peyton now.

And no, this isn't an "I hate NY" post...it's just coincidence.

Sydney Crosby FTW.harashawn

Really? I'm going to have to disagree with that and figure you don't follow hockey at all.

Matsui - when healthy the guy hits .290+, scores 100 runs, drives in 100 runs = hows that overrated?

Whos overrated Eli? Hes a young QB that did a good job to lead his team to beating an undefeated team in the super bowl, and continues to develop.

[QUOTE="harashawn"]Sydney Crosby FTW.hockey73

Really? I'm going to have to disagree with that and figure you don't follow hockey at all.

I'll admit he's a good player, but not the next Gretzky.

Reggie Bush by a long shotA_Milli

Vince Carter

never became a leader most people wanted him to be for the Nets

[QUOTE="A_Milli"]Reggie Bush by a long shotLastRebelKing

You live in LA also? Cool.

[QUOTE="hockey73"]

[QUOTE="harashawn"]Sydney Crosby FTW.harashawn

Really? I'm going to have to disagree with that and figure you don't follow hockey at all.

I'll admit he's a good player, but not the next Gretzky.

I'm so freakin tired of people comparing anyone with Gretzky, like do you realize how drastically the NHL has changed since Gretzky retired? Like rules, all the extra padding, rules, everything? I mean all you have to do is watch a video on youtube about Gretzky, to see how skimpy all the pads were, how different the game actually was. Gretzky has records no one will ever touch, you can't blame Crosby/Ovechkin/etc for not being able to get a 200 plus point season in the present day NHL. You put any of them in the "old" nhl and they get similar numbers to Gretzky.

I'm so freakin tired of people comparing anyone with Gretzky, like do you realize how drastically the NHL has changed since Gretzky retired? Like rules, all the extra padding, rules, everything? I mean all you have to do is watch a video on youtube about Gretzky, to see how skimpy all the pads were, how different the game actually was. Gretzky has records no one will ever touch, you can't blame Crosby/Ovechkin/etc for not being able to get a 200 plus point season in the present day NHL. You put any of them in the "old" nhl and they get similar numbers to Gretzky.

hockey73

Everyone is always saying "Crosby is the next Gretzky."

Sorry if I'm the one person who doesn't agree.

[QUOTE="A_Milli"]Reggie Bush by a long shotLastRebelKing

except he does an exceptional job as a reciever. They don't even use him to run the ball much so he gets most of his touches catching the ball where he has excelled and is arguable one of the best recieving backs next to westbrook and LT

Tom Brady_Brennan_

Matsui - when healthy the guy hits .290+, scores 100 runs, drives in 100 runs = hows that overrated?

Whos overrated Eli? Hes a young QB that did a good job to lead his team to beating an undefeated team in the super bowl, and continues to develop.

mrgab

And let's not forget that under Eli, the Giants have started 3-0 this season. There are a lot of overrated players in sports, these two are nowhere near being considered that.

[QUOTE="_Brennan_"]Tom BradyJC346

Yes he is.

[QUOTE="LastRebelKing"][QUOTE="A_Milli"]Reggie Bush by a long shotA_Milli

You live in LA also? Cool.

[QUOTE="JC346"][QUOTE="_Brennan_"]Tom Brady_Brennan_

Yes he is.

[QUOTE="A_Milli"]Reggie Bush by a long shotLastRebelKing

This ^^

EDIT: Also, Tom Brady is not overrated. Look at how his team is doing without him, they don't look like the Patriots. Lost horribly to my Dolphins. So, I think he should just retire... so Miami never has to deal with him again.

[QUOTE="LastRebelKing"][QUOTE="A_Milli"]Reggie Bush by a long shotandyboiii

except he does an exceptional job as a reciever. They don't even use him to run the ball much so he gets most of his touches catching the ball where he has excelled and is arguable one of the best recieving backs next to westbrook and LT

It helps to have a ton of talent around you. It's not like Brady did it all himself._Brennan_

It helps to have a ton of talent around you. It's not like Brady did it all himself._Brennan_

Also, I will add that it helps when you have the other teams' playbooks and video of their practices before playoff games. :P

It helps to have a ton of talent around you. It's not like Brady did it all himself._Brennan_

Matsui - when healthy the guy hits .290+, scores 100 runs, drives in 100 runs = hows that overrated?

Whos overrated Eli? Hes a young QB that did a good job to lead his team to beating an undefeated team in the super bowl, and continues to develop.

mrgab

I guess you missed the part where it says "in your opinion". :roll:

BTW - Matsui only had 45 RBIs in 93 games this year. Prorated, that would be about 70 RBIs in a full season.

[QUOTE="mrgab"]

Matsui - when healthy the guy hits .290+, scores 100 runs, drives in 100 runs = hows that overrated?

Whos overrated Eli? Hes a young QB that did a good job to lead his team to beating an undefeated team in the super bowl, and continues to develop.

elblanquito_81

And let's not forget that under Eli, the Giants have started 3-0 this season. There are a lot of overrated players in sports, these two are nowhere near being considered that.

Yep...NY fans taking things personally. Why is this not surprising?

[QUOTE="_Brennan_"]It helps to have a ton of talent around you. It's not like Brady did it all himself.JC346

Oh so you're blaming that loss on Brady not being there? One player doesn't make that much of a difference.

[QUOTE="JC346"][QUOTE="_Brennan_"]It helps to have a ton of talent around you. It's not like Brady did it all himself._Brennan_

Oh so you're blaming that loss on Brady not being there? One player doesn't make that much of a difference.

[QUOTE="elblanquito_81"][QUOTE="mrgab"]

Matsui - when healthy the guy hits .290+, scores 100 runs, drives in 100 runs = hows that overrated?

Whos overrated Eli? Hes a young QB that did a good job to lead his team to beating an undefeated team in the super bowl, and continues to develop.

Neoyamaneko

And let's not forget that under Eli, the Giants have started 3-0 this season. There are a lot of overrated players in sports, these two are nowhere near being considered that.

Yep...NY fans taking things personally. Why is this not surprising?

he made all valid points, and judging by his post he's just stating the truth. he is also right about Eli. 3-0 this year and that's with one of their best Defensive Ends still injured. He's not better then his brother but he is definitely up there with the best in the league currently

[QUOTE="JC346"][QUOTE="_Brennan_"]It helps to have a ton of talent around you. It's not like Brady did it all himself._Brennan_

Oh so you're blaming that loss on Brady not being there? One player doesn't make that much of a difference.

[QUOTE="_Brennan_"]It helps to have a ton of talent around you. It's not like Brady did it all himself._Brennan_

Also, I will add that it helps when you have the other teams' playbooks and video of their practices before playoff games. :P

Why do you keep ignoring this post? I just proved to you that Brady is overrated by posting this, but you haven't commented on it. When you have another teams plays on video, and have guys assigned to spy on your opponent, that gives you a definite advantage.

[QUOTE="_Brennan_"]

[QUOTE="_Brennan_"]It helps to have a ton of talent around you. It's not like Brady did it all himself._Brennan_

Also, I will add that it helps when you have the other teams' playbooks and video of their practices before playoff games. :P

Why do you keep ignoring this post? I just proved to you that Brady is overrated by posting this, but you haven't commented on it. When you have another teams plays on video, and have guys assigned to spy on your opponent, that gives you a definite advantage.

[QUOTE="Neoyamaneko"][QUOTE="elblanquito_81"][QUOTE="mrgab"]

Matsui - when healthy the guy hits .290+, scores 100 runs, drives in 100 runs = hows that overrated?

Whos overrated Eli? Hes a young QB that did a good job to lead his team to beating an undefeated team in the super bowl, and continues to develop.

andyboiii

And let's not forget that under Eli, the Giants have started 3-0 this season. There are a lot of overrated players in sports, these two are nowhere near being considered that.

Yep...NY fans taking things personally. Why is this not surprising?

he made all valid points, and judging by his post he's just stating the truth. he is also right about Eli. 3-0 this year and that's with one of their best Defensive Ends still injured. He's not better then his brother but he is definitely up there with the best in the league currently

Well, if you've seen Matsui with the Yomiuri Giants, you can see why I'm unimpressed with him with the Yankees. The guy wasn't called "Godzilla" in the Japan Leagues just because he needed another nickname. Now he can't crush one out of the park like he used to, and his fielding is suspect, so now he's DH....but he *isn't* overrated. :roll:

And like I said before with Manning and the Giants that it's the sum of the parts, and not the individual pieces.

[QUOTE="harashawn"][QUOTE="hockey73"]

[QUOTE="harashawn"]Sydney Crosby FTW.hockey73

Really? I'm going to have to disagree with that and figure you don't follow hockey at all.

I'll admit he's a good player, but not the next Gretzky.

I'm so freakin tired of people comparing anyone with Gretzky, like do you realize how drastically the NHL has changed since Gretzky retired? Like rules, all the extra padding, rules, everything? I mean all you have to do is watch a video on youtube about Gretzky, to see how skimpy all the pads were, how different the game actually was. Gretzky has records no one will ever touch, you can't blame Crosby/Ovechkin/etc for not being able to get a 200 plus point season in the present day NHL. You put any of them in the "old" nhl and they get similar numbers to Gretzky.

Also Gretzky commented on how today all the goalies are athletes, but back in his time there were only a few good goalies. So he didnt have to try hard on all of his goals and assists, although he is still the best there ever was :)

[QUOTE="_Brennan_"][QUOTE="_Brennan_"]

[QUOTE="_Brennan_"]It helps to have a ton of talent around you. It's not like Brady did it all himself.JC346

Also, I will add that it helps when you have the other teams' playbooks and video of their practices before playoff games. :P

Why do you keep ignoring this post? I just proved to you that Brady is overrated by posting this, but you haven't commented on it. When you have another teams plays on video, and have guys assigned to spy on your opponent, that gives you a definite advantage.

Brady, along with the rest of the team knew what the other team was going to do, that's what. I'm certain they wouldn't have won those SB's if they hadn't have been cheating.

[QUOTE="andyboiii"][QUOTE="Neoyamaneko"][QUOTE="elblanquito_81"][QUOTE="mrgab"]

Matsui - when healthy the guy hits .290+, scores 100 runs, drives in 100 runs = hows that overrated?

Whos overrated Eli? Hes a young QB that did a good job to lead his team to beating an undefeated team in the super bowl, and continues to develop.

Neoyamaneko

And let's not forget that under Eli, the Giants have started 3-0 this season. There are a lot of overrated players in sports, these two are nowhere near being considered that.

Yep...NY fans taking things personally. Why is this not surprising?

he made all valid points, and judging by his post he's just stating the truth. he is also right about Eli. 3-0 this year and that's with one of their best Defensive Ends still injured. He's not better then his brother but he is definitely up there with the best in the league currently

Well, if you've seen Matsui with the Yomiuri Giants, you can see why I'm unimpressed with him with the Yankees. The guy wasn't called "Godzilla" in the Japan Leagues just because he needed another nickname. Now he can't crush one out of the park like he used to, and his fielding is suspect, so now he's DH....but he *isn't* overrated. :roll:

And like I said before with Manning and the Giants that it's the sum of the parts, and not the individual pieces.

Homeruns are overrated is the real answer. RBIs, runs, batting average, on base percentage is where it counts.

[QUOTE="JC346"][QUOTE="_Brennan_"][QUOTE="_Brennan_"]

[QUOTE="_Brennan_"]It helps to have a ton of talent around you. It's not like Brady did it all himself._Brennan_

Also, I will add that it helps when you have the other teams' playbooks and video of their practices before playoff games. :P

Why do you keep ignoring this post? I just proved to you that Brady is overrated by posting this, but you haven't commented on it. When you have another teams plays on video, and have guys assigned to spy on your opponent, that gives you a definite advantage.

Brady, along with the rest of the team knew what the other team was going to do, that's what. I'm certain they wouldn't have won those SB's if they hadn't have been cheating.

[QUOTE="elblanquito_81"][QUOTE="mrgab"]

Matsui - when healthy the guy hits .290+, scores 100 runs, drives in 100 runs = hows that overrated?

Whos overrated Eli? Hes a young QB that did a good job to lead his team to beating an undefeated team in the super bowl, and continues to develop.

Neoyamaneko

And let's not forget that under Eli, the Giants have started 3-0 this season. There are a lot of overrated players in sports, these two are nowhere near being considered that.

Yep...NY fans taking things personally. Why is this not surprising?

[QUOTE="_Brennan_"][QUOTE="JC346"][QUOTE="_Brennan_"][QUOTE="_Brennan_"]

[QUOTE="_Brennan_"]It helps to have a ton of talent around you. It's not like Brady did it all himself.JC346

Also, I will add that it helps when you have the other teams' playbooks and video of their practices before playoff games. :P

Why do you keep ignoring this post? I just proved to you that Brady is overrated by posting this, but you haven't commented on it. When you have another teams plays on video, and have guys assigned to spy on your opponent, that gives you a definite advantage.

Brady, along with the rest of the team knew what the other team was going to do, that's what. I'm certain they wouldn't have won those SB's if they hadn't have been cheating.

No it wasn't just the 1st one. It was ALL of them. Except for last year when they got their asses handed to them by the Giants! :P

[QUOTE="JC346"][QUOTE="_Brennan_"][QUOTE="JC346"][QUOTE="_Brennan_"][QUOTE="_Brennan_"]

[QUOTE="_Brennan_"]It helps to have a ton of talent around you. It's not like Brady did it all himself._Brennan_

Also, I will add that it helps when you have the other teams' playbooks and video of their practices before playoff games. :P

Why do you keep ignoring this post? I just proved to you that Brady is overrated by posting this, but you haven't commented on it. When you have another teams plays on video, and have guys assigned to spy on your opponent, that gives you a definite advantage.

Brady, along with the rest of the team knew what the other team was going to do, that's what. I'm certain they wouldn't have won those SB's if they hadn't have been cheating.

No it wasn't just the 1st one. It was ALL of them. Except for last year when they got their asses handed to them by the Giants! :P

Btw, Patriots only lost by 3 points. ;)