c.lassic rockbroken_bass_binBlasphemy! Really, I dislike metal the most, though I like some of it (like Metallica) and the older stuff like Sabbath and Maiden. Besides that, only really country and newer rap.
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]Oh pish posh. :P Generic, cagey comment: you've just not listened to the right sort. :o Only a small proportion is as you perceive it. Just 'cause it's got horns in it doesn't make it "glotified circus music". :PSka (glorified circus music)
luke1889
Dude, I remember ska (the real popular groups) back when it was actually popular a decade ago and it is most certainly circus music. It's the official music of Bozo the clown. :P
Oh pish posh. :P Generic, cagey comment: you've just not listened to the right sort. :o Only a small proportion is as you perceive it. Just 'cause it's got horns in it doesn't make it "glotified circus music". :P[QUOTE="luke1889"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]
Ska (glorified circus music)
Pirate700
Dude, I remember ska (the real popular groups) back when it was actually popular a decade ago and it is most certainly circus music. It's the official music of Bozo the clown. :P
I guess you havent listened to Operation Ivy then.Metal isn't that diverse. There are subtle differences amongst the subgenres but it's pretty clear when you hear it that it's metal.saying groove metal or heavy metal is subtly differently from death metal or black metal is plainly ignorantLJS9502_basic
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Because they are. They are similar in style. That doesn't mean you can't enjoy it....but saying it's diverse is a misnomer. :| It's obviously futile to argue with you. You can't honestly say that Brain Drill and Agalloch are similar can you? Still have the metal stylings...yes. Did prefer Agalloch over Brain Drill though.....[QUOTE="Juggernaut140"] I don't understand how you can listen to those and say the differences are only subtle :|:|:|Juggernaut140
[QUOTE="Pirate700"]
[QUOTE="luke1889"] Oh pish posh. :P Generic, cagey comment: you've just not listened to the right sort. :o Only a small proportion is as you perceive it. Just 'cause it's got horns in it doesn't make it "glotified circus music". :PMarioRPGer
Dude, I remember ska (the real popular groups) back when it was actually popular a decade ago and it is most certainly circus music. It's the official music of Bozo the clown. :P
I guess you havent listened to Operation Ivy then.Never even heard of them. I'm sure there are some ska bands that just suck and aren't actually clown music but in general, most of it is right up there.Oh pish posh. :P Generic, cagey comment: you've just not listened to the right sort. :o Only a small proportion is as you perceive it. Just 'cause it's got horns in it doesn't make it "glotified circus music". :P[QUOTE="luke1889"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]
Ska (glorified circus music)
Pirate700
Dude, I remember ska (the real popular groups) back when it was actually popular a decade ago and it is most certainly circus music. It's the official music of Bozo the clown. :P
Haha, yeah, that's the cheesy, crazy happy stuff, which I love, I might add. :P There's a lot more to the genre than that though. I won't bore you with the details...just saying. And hey, Bozo the Clown loves it. :Psaying groove metal or heavy metal is subtly differently from death metal or black metal is plainly ignorantAnd the difference is what exactly? Groove metal is desended from thrash metal. Thrash metal is extreme heavy metal as is the origin of both death and black metal. Perhaps a bit of history might show you that I am not the one ignorant.;)[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Metal isn't that diverse. There are subtle differences amongst the subgenres but it's pretty clear when you hear it that it's metal.
DivergeUnify
saying groove metal or heavy metal is subtly differently from death metal or black metal is plainly ignorantAnd the difference is what exactly? Groove metal is desended from thrash metal. Thrash metal is extreme heavy metal as is the origin of both death and black metal. Perhaps a bit of history might show you that I am not the one ignorant.;) Groove is thrash inspired, not descendant from thrash. That's like saying metalcore and thrash metal are the same, because it's thrash inspired. Saying one is an "extreme" version of the other belittles the differences in themselves. Knowing the origins and being able to distinguish the differences by ear are wholly different[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"]
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Metal isn't that diverse. There are subtle differences amongst the subgenres but it's pretty clear when you hear it that it's metal.
LJS9502_basic
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]And the difference is what exactly? Groove metal is desended from thrash metal. Thrash metal is extreme heavy metal as is the origin of both death and black metal. Perhaps a bit of history might show you that I am not the one ignorant.;) Groove is thrash inspired, not descendant from thrash. That's like saying metalcore and thrash metal are the same, because it's thrash inspired. Saying one is an "extreme" version of the other belittles the differences in themselves. Knowing the origins and being able to distinguish the differences by ear are wholly differentInspired means influenced by....it's not totally different. Metal is still metal at the basic level...otherwise it wouldn't be groove METAL but would have a different classification. Metalcore is punk meets metal. Metal is a guitar driven genre with pounding drums, amplified distortion, guitar solos etc, The subgenres developed off a common sound and still have it's DNA as it were. And I'm not ignorant. Ignorant means lack of knowledge. I have listened....do listen to almost all genres of music and was probably listening to metal before you listened to music. I consider that comment an insult.[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"] saying groove metal or heavy metal is subtly differently from death metal or black metal is plainly ignorant
DivergeUnify
Yep. Not that much of a difference between those two dude.
LJS9502_basic
Broken (Power Metal band Sonata Arctica)
The Cereal Mouse (Technical Progressive Metal band Spastic Ink)
A Divine Proclomation of Finishing... (Goregrind/Brutal Death Metal band Last Days of Humanity)
De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas (Black Metal band Mayhem)
Svart Jup (Folk Metal band Finntroll)
Not a big difference you say? There's enough of a difference to justify their seperation, that's for sure.
Inspired means influenced by....it's not totally different. Metal is still metal at the basic level...otherwise it wouldn't be groove METAL but would have a different classification. Metalcore is punk meets metal. Metal is a guitar driven genre with pounding drums, amplified distortion, guitar solos etc, The subgenres developed off a common sound and still have it's DNA as it were. And I'm not ignorant. Ignorant means lack of knowledge. I have listened....do listen to almost all genres of music and was probably listening to metal before you listened to music. I consider that comment an insult.Of course it still has a core element. That's why the other subgenres are... subgenres. To suggest they're subtly different though, in my opinion, is ignorant. I don't particularly care if it's insulting, because that's how I feel on the matter. Maybe next time I should just agree with you so not to offend youLJS9502_basic
You're kidding...right? Maybe from a theory standpoint, they're quite similar (hence being all lumped under metal), but from a songwriting and technical standpoint they're quite different, although that's not the best of examples.[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"]
This is nothing like this
LJS9502_basic
Of course it still has a core element. That's why the other subgenres are... subgenres. To suggest they're subtly different though, in my opinion, is ignorant. I don't particularly care if it's insulting, because that's how I feel on the matter. Maybe next time I should just agree with you so not to offend youI disagree with you but not once have I resorted to calling you ignorant. Now perhaps since those songs are SO different you will enlighten us to which does not sound like metal. Because if you say they sound like metal...you are agreeing with me that the differences are subtle. Not genre redefining.[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Inspired means influenced by....it's not totally different. Metal is still metal at the basic level...otherwise it wouldn't be groove METAL but would have a different classification. Metalcore is punk meets metal. Metal is a guitar driven genre with pounding drums, amplified distortion, guitar solos etc, The subgenres developed off a common sound and still have it's DNA as it were. And I'm not ignorant. Ignorant means lack of knowledge. I have listened....do listen to almost all genres of music and was probably listening to metal before you listened to music. I consider that comment an insult.
DivergeUnify
Inspired means influenced by....it's not totally different. Metal is still metal at the basic level...otherwise it wouldn't be groove METAL but would have a different classification. Metalcore is punk meets metal. Metal is a guitar driven genre with pounding drums, amplified distortion, guitar solos etc, The subgenres developed off a common sound and still have it's DNA as it were. And I'm not ignorant. Ignorant means lack of knowledge. I have listened....do listen to almost all genres of music and was probably listening to metal before you listened to music. I consider that comment an insult.Of course it still has a core element. Of course groove isn't alien to death. That's why the other subgenres are... subgenres. To suggest they're subtly different though, in my opinion, is ignorant. I don't particularly care if it's insulting. It's true. Based on what you've posted about metal in the past, I don't consider "listening to metal before you listened to music" to be very importantLJS9502_basic
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]You're kidding...right? Maybe from a theory standpoint, they're quite similar (hence being all lumped under metal), but from a songwriting and technical standpoint they're quite different, although that's not the best of examples.Well since you are a bit more reasonable....in regard to the original statement that metal is the most diverse. Metal has a core sound that is present in all subgenres...no? Notice I didn't say no difference...I said subtle. That is where the subgenres come in. But overall I don't think anyone will mistake a metal song....no matter the subgenre....for anything but metal.[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"]
This is nothing like this
Saturos3091
Of course it still has a core element. That's why the other subgenres are... subgenres. To suggest they're subtly different though, in my opinion, is ignorant. I don't particularly care if it's insulting, because that's how I feel on the matter. Maybe next time I should just agree with you so not to offend youI disagree with you but not once have I resorted to calling you ignorant. Now perhaps since those songs are SO different you will enlighten us to which does not sound like metal. Because if you say they sound like metal...you are agreeing with me that the differences are subtle. Not genre redefining. if the genre is described as vast or expansive, it doesn't matter if it's still metal. It doesn't mean the subgenres aren't different. They are. It's like saying every state in the US is exactly the same. The culture is the same from one square mile to the next. Also, I hardly consider ignorant an insult. If I wanted to insult you I would've called you stupid[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"]
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Inspired means influenced by....it's not totally different. Metal is still metal at the basic level...otherwise it wouldn't be groove METAL but would have a different classification. Metalcore is punk meets metal. Metal is a guitar driven genre with pounding drums, amplified distortion, guitar solos etc, The subgenres developed off a common sound and still have it's DNA as it were. And I'm not ignorant. Ignorant means lack of knowledge. I have listened....do listen to almost all genres of music and was probably listening to metal before you listened to music. I consider that comment an insult.
LJS9502_basic
Of course it still has a core element. Of course groove isn't alien to death. That's why the other subgenres are... subgenres. To suggest they're subtly different though, in my opinion, is ignorant. I don't particularly care if it's insulting. It's true. Based on what you've posted about metal in the past, I don't consider "listening to metal before you listened to music" to be very importantThen I suggest you read up on the definition of ignorant since that is key to your ad hominem attack on me.:)[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Inspired means influenced by....it's not totally different. Metal is still metal at the basic level...otherwise it wouldn't be groove METAL but would have a different classification. Metalcore is punk meets metal. Metal is a guitar driven genre with pounding drums, amplified distortion, guitar solos etc, The subgenres developed off a common sound and still have it's DNA as it were. And I'm not ignorant. Ignorant means lack of knowledge. I have listened....do listen to almost all genres of music and was probably listening to metal before you listened to music. I consider that comment an insult.
DivergeUnify
Metal is a guitar driven genre with pounding drums, amplified distortion, guitar solos etc, The subgenres developed off a common sound and still have it's DNA as it were.LJS9502_basicThat's not true at all, there are numerous metal bands that don't feature any of that (solos and "pounding" drums are left out more often than the others though).
I disagree with you but not once have I resorted to calling you ignorant. Now perhaps since those songs are SO different you will enlighten us to which does not sound like metal. Because if you say they sound like metal...you are agreeing with me that the differences are subtle. Not genre redefining.That's why there's different subgenres, not genres. There's enough of a difference to seperate them into different subgenres at least, especially since the genre is so ridiculously oversaturated as it is.LJS9502_basic
That's not true at all, there are numerous metal bands that don't feature any of that (solos and "pounding" drums are left out more often than the others though).[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Metal is a guitar driven genre with pounding drums, amplified distortion, guitar solos etc, The subgenres developed off a common sound and still have it's DNA as it were.Saturos3091
I disagree with you but not once have I resorted to calling you ignorant. Now perhaps since those songs are SO different you will enlighten us to which does not sound like metal. Because if you say they sound like metal...you are agreeing with me that the differences are subtle. Not genre redefining.That's why there's different subgenres, not genres. There's enough of a difference to seperate them into different subgenres at least, especially since the genre is so ridiculously oversaturated as it is.Subtle differences. Not major. Why is that metal fans get all offended at PERCEIVED insults to what they like. Music does not exist in a vacuum. It's classified for specific reasons and it builds off other styles. Metal is a part of the rock genre....but that gets metal fans upset as well. I don't get it.LJS9502_basic
And for the above quote.....what subgenre of metal never uses solos or pounding drums. Note I said subgenre...not bands.
Of course it still has a core element. Of course groove isn't alien to death. That's why the other subgenres are... subgenres. To suggest they're subtly different though, in my opinion, is ignorant. I don't particularly care if it's insulting. It's true. Based on what you've posted about metal in the past, I don't consider "listening to metal before you listened to music" to be very importantThen I suggest you read up on the definition of ignorant since that is key to your ad hominem attack on me.:) if you really want to argue my use of the word "ignorant", then you're really suggesting stupid would've been more fitting. I wasn't insulting you by calling you ignorant. I addressed what you said and added, in general, to call metal all the same is ignorant. I said it's an ignorant thing to say[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"]
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Inspired means influenced by....it's not totally different. Metal is still metal at the basic level...otherwise it wouldn't be groove METAL but would have a different classification. Metalcore is punk meets metal. Metal is a guitar driven genre with pounding drums, amplified distortion, guitar solos etc, The subgenres developed off a common sound and still have it's DNA as it were. And I'm not ignorant. Ignorant means lack of knowledge. I have listened....do listen to almost all genres of music and was probably listening to metal before you listened to music. I consider that comment an insult.
LJS9502_basic
I'm just going to jump in here and post a metal song that doesn't fit any of the above mentioned descriptions except basic guitar and dums.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxaFANthouM
Sorry, I can't link it because of "unclosed tags" :roll:
I think you'd have to be more specific since rock is a broad genre with many subgenres. Metal is rock. If you think The Cure sounds like metal, or ska, or hardcore punk then I don't think you've heard them.;)The Cure sounds just like any other rock band out there. Only subtle differences here, my friends.
Rikardur
I think you'd have to be more specific since rock is a broad genre with many subgenres. Metal is rock. If you think The Cure sounds like metal, or ska, or hardcore punk then I don't think you've heard them.;) This is a really hypocritical post. After that whole argument over me calling you ignorant? You describe Rikardur as ignorant? Really?[QUOTE="Rikardur"]
The Cure sounds just like any other rock band out there. Only subtle differences here, my friends.
LJS9502_basic
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I think you'd have to be more specific since rock is a broad genre with many subgenres. Metal is rock. If you think The Cure sounds like metal, or ska, or hardcore punk then I don't think you've heard them.;) This is a really hypocritical post. After that whole argument over me calling you ignorant? You describe Rikardur as ignorant? Really?I didn't call him anything. I said he hasn't heard them if he thinks they fit those genres.:roll:[QUOTE="Rikardur"]
The Cure sounds just like any other rock band out there. Only subtle differences here, my friends.
DivergeUnify
I hate all of these too.What music do you hate?
For me, I hate thrash metal (Metallica), death metal, black metal, rap, techno, and country.
kingkui
I said you described him as ignorant. The use of the word isn't neccessary. You assumed he hasn't heard The Cure because he said they sound the same as the rest of rock out there, in which you essentially called him ignorant.I didn't call him anything. I said he hasn't heard them if he thinks they fit those genres.:roll:
LJS9502_basic
Perhaps you should look up the word ignorant :|
Well since you are a bit more reasonable....in regard to the original statement that metal is the most diverse. Metal has a core sound that is present in all subgenres...no? Notice I didn't say no difference...I said subtle. That is where the subgenres come in. But overall I don't think anyone will mistake a metal song....no matter the subgenre....for anything but metal.LJS9502_basic
Well, I guess from a general point of view that would be correct. However, like with every genre there are numerous outliers that are far more common in metal than it may seem. There are self-proclaimed metal bands that play music people have trouble classifying as anything, metal or not. From piano, to classical instruments, to folk instruments, the genre has a lot of variety on an instrumental compared to other genres, leading to different composition/songwriting techniques. Metal has a lot of variety in it's subgenres, perhaps it still won't appeal to a non-metal fan (on a sidenote there's a band in every genre that's worth listening to, it's all a matter of finding them) but on it's own it still is one of the most diverse.
I said you described him as ignorant. The use of the word isn't neccessary. You assumed he hasn't heard The Cure because he said they sound the same as the rest of rock out there, in which you essentially called him ignorant.[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]
I didn't call him anything. I said he hasn't heard them if he thinks they fit those genres.:roll:
DivergeUnify
Perhaps you should look up the word ignorant :|
I suggested he hadn't heard The Cure...his post wasn't intended to further discussion anyway. It was a slam at me. As a policy I don't discuss with those who use ad hominem attacks. Bye.I said you described him as ignorant. The use of the word isn't neccessary. You assumed he hasn't heard The Cure because he said they sound the same as the rest of rock out there, in which you essentially called him ignorant.[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"]
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]
I didn't call him anything. I said he hasn't heard them if he thinks they fit those genres.:roll:
LJS9502_basic
Perhaps you should look up the word ignorant :|
I suggested he hadn't heard The Cure...his post wasn't intended to further discussion anyway. It was a slam at me. As a policy I don't discuss with those who use ad hominem attacks. Bye. You suggested he was ignorant. If he hadn't heard The Cure, then that's the same as saying he's ignorant of The Cure's music. Again, calling you ignorant wasn't an insult, much as you suggesting he hadn't listened to The Cure wasn't an insult.[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Well since you are a bit more reasonable....in regard to the original statement that metal is the most diverse. Metal has a core sound that is present in all subgenres...no? Notice I didn't say no difference...I said subtle. That is where the subgenres come in. But overall I don't think anyone will mistake a metal song....no matter the subgenre....for anything but metal.Saturos3091
Well, I guess from a general point of view that would be correct. However, like with every genre there are numerous outliers that are far more common in metal than it may seem. There are self-proclaimed metal bands that play music people have trouble classifying as anything, metal or not. From piano, to classical instruments, to folk instruments, the genre has a lot of variety on an instrumental compared to other genres, leading to different composition/songwriting techniques. Metal has a lot of variety in it's subgenres, perhaps it still won't appeal to a non-metal fan (on a sidenote there's a band in every genre that's worth listening to, it's all a matter of finding them) but on it's own it still is one of the most diverse.
I never said all metal subgenres were identical. Merely that what changes the classification is a subtle difference that defines it a bit differently. Instead of singing....they growl or whatever word you choose to use. Or change tempo...etc.Subtle differences. Not major. Why is that metal fans get all offended at PERCEIVED insults to what they like. Music does not exist in a vacuum. It's classified for specific reasons and it builds off other styles. Metal is a part of the rock genre....but that gets metal fans upset as well. I don't get it.I know it's a part of rock, there's nothing wrong with that. And relax, that's why I editted my post after I read your previous one. I thought that you were clearly saying something along the lines of "there is no difference at all between black/death/thrash/doom/folk/progressive and their subgenres." I hadn't seen your previous post (about subtle differences; however subtle) when I mentioned that.And for the above quote.....what subgenre of metal never uses solos or pounding drums. Note I said subgenre...not bands.
LJS9502_basic
I think you'd have to be more specific since rock is a broad genre with many subgenres. Metal is rock. If you think The Cure sounds like metal, or ska, or hardcore punk then I don't think you've heard them.;)[QUOTE="Rikardur"]
The Cure sounds just like any other rock band out there. Only subtle differences here, my friends.
LJS9502_basic
I wouldn't say metal IS rock, but rather derived from rock.
And to be more specific:
The Cure
Muse
Similarities
The Cure
HIM
Similarities
I think you'd have to be more specific since rock is a broad genre with many subgenres. Metal is rock. If you think The Cure sounds like metal, or ska, or hardcore punk then I don't think you've heard them.;)[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]
[QUOTE="Rikardur"]
The Cure sounds just like any other rock band out there. Only subtle differences here, my friends.
Rikardur
I wouldn't say metal IS rock, but rather derived from rock.
And to be more specific:
The Cure
Muse
Similarities
The Cure
HIM
Similarities
*sigh* I'll respond merely to tell you that The Cure came before both of those bands so any similarity would not be the fault of The Cure. On the other hand alternative has a specific sound in and of itself as does the various subgenres. Your point?:roll:I wouldn't say metal IS rock, but rather derived from rock.
Rikardur
Its a subgenre of rock if thats what you mean...
I wouldn't say metal IS rock, but rather derived from rock.
And to be more specific:
The Cure
Muse
Similarities
The Cure
HIM
Similarities
Rikardur
Of course there's similarities. It's all alternative rock. Or whatever HIM is....
Yeah alternative.Of course there's similarities. It's all alternative rock. Or whatever HIM is....
Guppy507
[QUOTE="-Misanthropic-"][QUOTE="Rikardur"]
I wouldn't say metal IS rock, but rather derived from rock.
Rikardur
Its a subgenre of rock if thats what you mean...
Well I say that rock is more of metal's stylistic origin.Well it's more rock than jazz is it not?[QUOTE="Rikardur"][QUOTE="-Misanthropic-"]
Its a subgenre of rock if thats what you mean...
Well I say that rock is more of metal's stylistic origin.Well it's more rock than jazz is it not? Of course. Thats what I said. Rock is the base for metal's stylistic origins.[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Well it's more rock than jazz is it not? Of course. Thats what I said. Rock is the base for metal's stylistic origins.Well if you made a family tree...it's a genre of rock. Rock is very diverse. Each subgenre...not as much.[QUOTE="Rikardur"] Well I say that rock is more of metal's stylistic origin.Rikardur
I have rather cosmopolitan tastes in music. I listen to many varieties in several languages.
About the only thing I can not take is Dixieland.
I have also had my fill of big band because that is all my dad will listen to ... day and night.
Constant 30s and 40s stuff drives me up the wall.
iowastate
I was coming in here expecting the usual answers... rap, country, metal, pop, whatever... but dixieland is suprising. I like early jazz stuff like ragtime and dixieland but must admit I love the later stuff like bebop, cool, etc. a lot more...
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