My complaint about the Tobacco industry

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#1 rimnet00
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I am going to be turning 23 this April and will be graduating from college this semester. I am a smoker.

Smoking sucks. I want to quit, and it is hard because frankly I am addicted to cigarettes. Even with Philip Morris and company trying to make us believe that they actually care about us is just an illusion. Yes, they have put notices on cigarette boxs. Yes, they have put up information about how bad smoking is for a person's health. The fact is though, most smokers know the dangers, in fact, I doubt there are many people out there that don't know the health risks. The problem is, we are still addicted and these cigarette companies don't care and purposely make it hard to quit. In fact, even the anti-smoking companies are cashing into on our addictions.

My complaints:
- Why can't they sell cigarettes in smaller packages? Must they come in packs of 20? If I quit for two weeks, but am fiending for a cigarrette and give in to the addiction, I have to get the pack of 20. Which means I will probably smoke all 20 and get back into the cycle. The thing is, they arn't going to sell less then 20 because they know that it will help us quit. They are a buisness, they want to make money, and that is their bottom line.
- Why are anti-smoking companies selling their products for exceptionally high prices? Niccorette gum for example costs $60 for a weeks supply. For the program to work you need to be on it for 3 months. Maybe this is a problem that stems from the state of the Pharmisudical (sp?) industry... but it was still worth mentioning.

Bah, /end rant
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#2 slinky6
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Why did you start in the first place, if you knew the risks?

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#3 comb_over
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I dont smoke myself but it does boggle my mind that quitting smoking (in the short term) is much more expensive. Smokers see that and say well I may as well buy some smokes instead. But you need to see the long term. Get off smoking anf then you wont need the smokes or the gum or whatever. 
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i agree, so far i only smoke when i'm drunk, but that's how it starts for most people.
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#5 rimnet00
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I dont smoke myself but it does boggle my mind that quitting smoking (in the short term) is much more expensive. Smokers see that and say well I may as well buy some smokes instead. But you need to see the long term. Get off smoking anf then you wont need the smokes or the gum or whatever. comb_over
Yah, I mean once I graduate and get a job, that is one of the first things I am going to invest in. However, through college it was completely unaffordable. I am lucky to be in the position to afford these medications in the near future, however I feel for the people who won't be able to afford them ever. People with families and a tight budgets for example, which is the situation of most people in our country.
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#6 rimnet00
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i agree, so far i only smoke when i'm drunk, but that's how it starts for most people.WeazelMan311
Thats how it started for me, and I think for many college students.
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[QUOTE="WeazelMan311"]i agree, so far i only smoke when i'm drunk, but that's how it starts for most people.rimnet00
Thats how it started for me, and I think for many college students.

Thats how it started for me! Now I can't stop the things! ...not that I've tried, or plan on it any time soon.
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I am going to be turning 23 this April and will be graduating from college this semester. I am a smoker.

Smoking sucks. I want to quit, and it is hard because frankly I am addicted to cigarettes. Even with Philip Morris and company trying to make us believe that they actually care about us is just an illusion. Yes, they have put notices on cigarette boxs. Yes, they have put up information about how bad smoking is for a person's health. The fact is though, most smokers know the dangers, in fact, I doubt there are many people out there that don't know the health risks. The problem is, we are still addicted and these cigarette companies don't care and purposely make it hard to quit. In fact, even the anti-smoking companies are cashing into on our addictions.

My complaints:
- Why can't they sell cigarettes in smaller packages? Must they come in packs of 20? If I quit for two weeks, but am fiending for a cigarrette and give in to the addiction, I have to get the pack of 20. Which means I will probably smoke all 20 and get back into the cycle. The thing is, they arn't going to sell less then 20 because they know that it will help us quit. They are a buisness, they want to make money, and that is their bottom line.
- Why are anti-smoking companies selling their products for exceptionally high prices? Niccorette gum for example costs $60 for a weeks supply. For the program to work you need to be on it for 3 months. Maybe this is a problem that stems from the state of the Pharmisudical (sp?) industry... but it was still worth mentioning.

Bah, /end rant
rimnet00


Seriously, I wouldn't even bother with those stop-smoking products. I'm not saying that they don't work, butt you know that they WANT you to fail the first few times that you try to quit so that you have to keep buying their over-priced product multiple times.

I don't even bother with that crap. The way I see it, when you really want to quit, you will really quit. You don't need gum or patches, it just boils down to a simple choice: "do I want to smoke, or do I want to stop smoking?"

As far as the packs of 20, that's not a valid excuse either. I mean, suppose you do just need one cigarette. Of course, you shouldn't need a cigarette, since you're supposed to be quitting. But for the sake of argument let's say that you do need one cigarette. There's nothing stopping you from smoking that one cigarette, and then flushing the rest of the pack down the toilet.
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I don't even bother with that crap. The way I see it, when you really want to quit, you will really quit. You don't need gum or patches, it just boils down to a simple choice: "do I want to smoke, or do I want to stop smoking?"

MrGeezer

You and your simple choices again. :roll:

There's a model out there called the stages of change (graphic below) which reflects the 7 stages that pretty much everyone goes though when making a difficult change in their behavior. This is especially appropriate in cases of substance abuse.

The steps and precautions one takes during each stage alone with a multitude of outside factors all have a direct influence upon whether or not one makes a permanent change or relapses, and in the end there is nothing simple about it, even if some changes are much easier to make than others.

To the OP, I quit smoking twice myself. I say twice because after quitting the first time I remained smoke free for a year. The first time I quit cold turkey and it was easily one of the most mentally challenging weeks of my life. The second time I quit using the patch, and not only was the experience far less unpleasant than quitting cold turkey, but it was just as effective for me if not more so. I've now been quit for over 6 years or so.

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#10 rimnet00
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[QUOTE="MrGeezer"] I don't even bother with that crap. The way I see it, when you really want to quit, you will really quit. You don't need gum or patches, it just boils down to a simple choice: "do I want to smoke, or do I want to stop smoking?"

Schwah

You and your simple choices again. :roll:

There's a model out there called the stages of change (graphic below) which reflects the 7 stages that pretty much everyone goes though when making a difficult change in their behavior. This is especially appropriate in cases of substance abuse.

The steps and precautions one takes during each stage alone with a multitude of outside factors all have a direct influence upon whether or not one makes a permanent change or relapses, and in the end there is nothing simple about it, even if some changes are much easier to make than others.

To the OP, I quit smoking twice myself. I say twice because after quitting the first time I remained smoke free for a year. The first time I quit cold turkey and it was easily one of the most mentally challenging weeks of my life. The second time I quit using the patch, and not only was the experience far less unpleasant than quitting cold turkey, but it was just as effective for me if not more so. I've now been quit for over 6 years or so.

I really appreciate the feedback. I have heard a lot of good things about the patch. I can't wait to graduate and pick one of those up to give it a go.
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#11 Bourbons3
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Use some of those patches on your arm, or gum.
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#12 wurn
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here's my question why dont cigarette companies just stop making ciggy's? No scaling down or whatever just stop.???
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The answer to both your complaints is they want money.
here's my question why dont cigarette companies just stop making ciggy's? No scaling down or whatever just stop.???
wurn
Money also.
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#14 zsc4
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The addiction is all in your head, if you want to quit then you got to really believe it, and then it can be done.
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#15 tidus_swain
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Thats because they don't want you to quit. They want to make as much money as they can. If you want to quit then you have to do it by yourself with your own will-power.
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i didnt find it hard to quit smoking regularly, i just stopped. i still smoke a few when im drinking though. but i could stop that too; however, im happy occasionally smoking.
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To me, anti smoker organizations such as truth.org are just as annoying as the tobacco companies they fight. Their commercials suck. As well as their merchandising tactics.
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yes i only smoke crack
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Let it be known: "The business of business is business". They dont really care what happens to the consumers, the environment (speaking in general here), human rights and all the other stuff. They're only concerned about money. So if cigarettes come in packs of 20 and it'll get you smoking again (and shelling out more money for them), thats what they'll do.
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#20 ROLFCHANK
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here's my question why dont cigarette companies just stop making ciggy's? No scaling down or whatever just stop.???
wurn
because people want cigarettes and they are buying a lot of them. this question makes no sense.
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#21 MrGeezer
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[QUOTE="MrGeezer"] I don't even bother with that crap. The way I see it, when you really want to quit, you will really quit. You don't need gum or patches, it just boils down to a simple choice: "do I want to smoke, or do I want to stop smoking?"

Schwah

You and your simple choices again. :roll:

There's a model out there called the stages of change (graphic below) which reflects the 7 stages that pretty much everyone goes though when making a difficult change in their behavior. This is especially appropriate in cases of substance abuse.

The steps and precautions one takes during each stage alone with a multitude of outside factors all have a direct influence upon whether or not one makes a permanent change or relapses, and in the end there is nothing simple about it, even if some changes are much easier to make than others.

To the OP, I quit smoking twice myself. I say twice because after quitting the first time I remained smoke free for a year. The first time I quit cold turkey and it was easily one of the most mentally challenging weeks of my life. The second time I quit using the patch, and not only was the experience far less unpleasant than quitting cold turkey, but it was just as effective for me if not more so. I've now been quit for over 6 years or so.



He wanted one cigarette. He then bought a whole pack and smoked all of the cigarettes.

There was nothing stopping him from bumming a single cigarette off of somebody.

There was nothing stopping him from throwing away the other 19 cigarettes once he got his one cigarette.

He didn't need to smoke that one cigarette in the first place.

Did you notice how your Addiction Pie has a little arrow leaving it after the "action" slice? Basically all that pie shows is that some people quit, and some people don't. You don't need fancy graphics to get that idea across, and furthermore that still doesn't make it any less of his fault.