My teacher's ''proof'' that God exists.

OK so my philosophy teacher told us, at the begining of the year, that there is a proof that God exists but he'd only tell us at the last day of school. I was really looking foward to this because, for an unknown reason, I LOVE to debate on religion and I wanted to see if I could find flaws in his theory.Today was the last day of school and that's what he said : (traduction)

''You know... some things are near to perfection in this world. (gives examples of geniuses and beautiful things...). They may seem perfect, but in fact they're just parts of perfection. But all these ''parts of perfection'' must come from somewhere. And this ''somewhere'' is God, which is perfect.''

My reaction to this, and the reaction of my whole class, was ''How on Earth is that supposed to be a proof!?''. And then some people told him that he can't know if these ''parts of perfection'' really are parts of perfection. And he can't know if these ''parts'' can really combine to make God and his whole logic fails at life. Other atheist, agnostic and even a religious teacher came during the break to talk about it and they all thought this made no sense. In short, he got owned.

What do you think about it? Is there something no one understood?

That's not proof. He'd really have to explain in excrutiating detail why he thinks it's "proof". easteast

Eh, wouldn't be worth anything. His whole "theory" is flawed, makes no sense at all.

My philosophy teacher told us the meaning of existence on the last day...Dark__Link

Cool, so are you selling that knowledge on eBay or what?

He should get fired for that. A philosophy teacher trying to make a definite truth out of inadequate evidence. Pathetic.

Ofcourse everything is partly perfect. How does that prove that thereis a God who made us and decides our quality of life and death? That is the definition of a God, is it not? I don't recall anyone ever saying that God isjust abeing who makes certain things perfect. No one would care if that is all God is.

Don't take my word for this,but he might know what he's talking aboutsuicidalpoptrt

I don't think so... he really is wrong sometimes .He said that the ultimate stage of human's psychologic evolution was ''the gift of religious faith'' :lol:

''You know... some things are near to perfection in this world. (gives examples of geniuses and beautiful things...). They may seem perfect, but in fact they're just parts of perfection. But all these ''parts of perfection'' must come from somewhere. And this ''somewhere'' is God, which is perfect.''

Timesplitter14

what a weak statement coming from an educator

Wow, I have better "proof" and it is still only a personal theory.

The way everything in the world seems to balance out and the way everything seems to have an intelligent design to it is the best "proof" of God we have and I use the term "proof" very lightly....

Ignorance and arrogance like this makes me want to hurt people. This flawed logic is suppose to be the thought process of a uneducated 5 year old, not a 25-50 year oldcollege educated professor/teacher..

I think he needs to explain what he meant by perfection and being part of it. I sort of agree with what he said, but I think it is difficult for people to understand what he meant if he just throw it out like that.

Say, when you learn about the concept of an equilateral triangle" in math class, you know exactly what it means: it's a triangle with three sides at equal length (and three equal angles as the result, and vice versa.) We all know how to describe it, too, in same or different words. We also know the concept of many similar items, like a straight line, parallel lines, perpendicular line,s a perfect circle, etc.

The problem is, none of these things actually exist. There is no such thing as an equilateral triangle. Even when the teacher point out a picture of an equilateral triangle in the textbook, it is still just a picture of equilateral triangle, not the actual equilateral triangle. It never existed in any part of the universe at any given time frame. It cannot happen. Because three points can never be absolutely, perfectly apart at equal distance. There is always going to be some little margin of error, and as long as there is a slight difference, it is not an equilateral triangle. It is the same idea with perfect circle and everything else with similar nature.

Now, as animals, we observe nature and our understanding of the world should be based on the world we observe. The nature is all about strong overcome the weak, survival the fittest, and there is no perfect circle or triangle in the world to be found. But for some reasons, human beings are able to understand and express the idea of states of perfection: love for everyone, justice, peace through forgiveness, perfect circles, equilateral triangles. Many concept we take for granted actually are no where to be found in this universe except in human's mind.

So, what your professor really meant, was that this concept of perfection, based on the principle of "knowledge based on observation," was once there, and though human cannot achieve that state, we gained the capacity to understand what it means, and what it is like.

I'm not sure if I can agree with that, but I think it is a good theory. Too bad he didn't go deep into it because it could have been a good discussion.

My philosophy teacher told us the meaning of existence on the last day...Dark__Link

Meaning he lied to you about some crap

You can't prove, or disprove the existence of God, so everyone stop trying.Rhazakna

[QUOTE="Rhazakna"]You can't prove, or disprove the existence of God, so everyone stop trying.huladog123

Oh really? Go ahead and prove it. *pulls up La-Z-Boy reliner* I've got aaaaallllll the time in the world.

[QUOTE="huladog123"][QUOTE="Rhazakna"]You can't prove, or disprove the existence of God, so everyone stop trying.Video_Game_King

Oh really? Go ahead and prove it. *pulls up La-Z-Boy reliner* I've got aaaaallllll the time in the world.

You heard him. It's in the Bible :roll:

[QUOTE="huladog123"][QUOTE="Rhazakna"]You can't prove, or disprove the existence of God, so everyone stop trying.Video_Game_King

Oh really? Go ahead and prove it. *pulls up La-Z-Boy reliner* I've got aaaaallllll the time in the world.

[QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]

[QUOTE="huladog123"][QUOTE="Rhazakna"]You can't prove, or disprove the existence of God, so everyone stop trying.huladog123

Oh really? Go ahead and prove it. *pulls up La-Z-Boy reliner* I've got aaaaallllll the time in the world.

Yea, I can actually disprove God with the same point. There are only two reasons people do things: they want to do it, or they need to. So let's explore the wanting. The lust. Anyway, want is created by lacking. God cannot lack, because he is perfect. Nothing can not be him, nor can he not have anything. But what's that? He needed to? Is this because he had to answer to a higher being, whether it be a person or an instinct? But isn't God the highest being in all the land? Counter all of this. I can admit that there's some truth in the Bible (I've even come up with a logical basis for the Adam & Eve thing), but either God doesn't exist, or he doesn't exist as described in the Bible. Your pick.

Things that do not make sense may, in the end, make sense...

...Yeah, >_> I have no clue what the hell I'm talking about.

...if you read the bible from start to finish and knew about God's love, you'd be a much happier person.huladog123

Just out of interest, other than the fact that those words are on those pages, what other reasons do you have for believing them to be true? And don't say something like "because they are the word of God", because that falls under the above.

What reasons are there to take these words to be true over any other work of fiction?

[QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]

[QUOTE="huladog123"][QUOTE="Rhazakna"]You can't prove, or disprove the existence of God, so everyone stop trying.huladog123

Oh really? Go ahead and prove it. *pulls up La-Z-Boy reliner* I've got aaaaallllll the time in the world.

So, because a book, that was written by people that no one knows personally, says that God spoke us into existence, that makes it true? Well okay then, I guess the same thing applies to the Satanic Bible. Get my point?

Also, another very flawed part of your argument: you seem to believe in what the Bible says because it makes you happy. Basically you're believing in what is convenient for you. Guess what? People are dying in horrible ways in Iraq. You can:

a) Ignore the fact, and pretend like it's not happening. This will seem like a good decision at the time, but in the long run, the real deal may affect you in disastrous ways which you will not be prepared for.

b) Accept the fact, and act/think accordingly.

What I'm trying to say is, what if you find out one day(perhaps when you die) that God does not exist? You would be traumatized! If you weren't already dead, you would probably kill yourself!

On the other hand, if you accept the possibility of there not being a God, you will just be like, "meh". And if there is a God, you will still be like, "meh", because you didn't rule out the possibility of there being a God either.

Yeah well, here is the proof: Existence Of Life.MFaraz_Hayat

How did life originate? Obviously as it was created.

[QUOTE="huladog123"][QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]

[QUOTE="huladog123"][QUOTE="Rhazakna"]You can't prove, or disprove the existence of God, so everyone stop trying.Video_Game_King

Oh really? Go ahead and prove it. *pulls up La-Z-Boy reliner* I've got aaaaallllll the time in the world.

Yea, I can actually disprove God with the same point. There are only two reasons people do things: they want to do it, or they need to. So let's explore the wanting. The lust. Anyway, want is created by lacking. God cannot lack, because he is perfect. Nothing can not be him, nor can he not have anything. But what's that? He needed to? Is this because he had to answer to a higher being, whether it be a person or an instinct? But isn't God the highest being in all the land? Counter all of this. I can admit that there's some truth in the Bible (I've even come up with a logical basis for the Adam & Eve thing), but either God doesn't exist, or he doesn't exist as described in the Bible. Your pick.

[QUOTE="Video_Game_King"][QUOTE="huladog123"][QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]

[QUOTE="huladog123"][QUOTE="Rhazakna"]You can't prove, or disprove the existence of God, so everyone stop trying.huladog123

Oh really? Go ahead and prove it. *pulls up La-Z-Boy reliner* I've got aaaaallllll the time in the world.

Yea, I can actually disprove God with the same point. There are only two reasons people do things: they want to do it, or they need to. So let's explore the wanting. The lust. Anyway, want is created by lacking. God cannot lack, because he is perfect. Nothing can not be him, nor can he not have anything. But what's that? He needed to? Is this because he had to answer to a higher being, whether it be a person or an instinct? But isn't God the highest being in all the land? Counter all of this. I can admit that there's some truth in the Bible (I've even come up with a logical basis for the Adam & Eve thing), but either God doesn't exist, or he doesn't exist as described in the Bible. Your pick.

If you were to approach this issue from a purely objective standpoint, assuming that God exists is not the best of starts. Biased much?

[QUOTE="huladog123"][QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]

[QUOTE="huladog123"][QUOTE="Rhazakna"]You can't prove, or disprove the existence of God, so everyone stop trying.topraman517

Oh really? Go ahead and prove it. *pulls up La-Z-Boy reliner* I've got aaaaallllll the time in the world.

So, because a book, that was written by people that no one knows personally, says that God spoke us into existence, that makes it true? Well okay then, I guess the same thing applies to the Satanic Bible. Get my point?

Also, another very flawed part of your argument: you seem to believe in what the Bible says because it makes you happy. Basically you're believing in what is convenient for you. Guess what? People are dying in horrible ways in Iraq. You can:

a) Ignore the fact, and pretend like it's not happening. This will seem like a good decision at the time, but in the long run, the real deal may affect you in disastrous ways which you will not be prepared for.

b) Accept the fact, and act/think accordingly.

What I'm trying to say is, what if you find out one day(perhaps when you die) that God does not exist? You would be traumatized! If you weren't already dead, you would probably kill yourself!

On the other hand, if you accept the possibility of there not being a God, you will just be like, "meh". And if there is a God, you will still be like, "meh", because you didn't rule out the possibility of there being a God either.

[QUOTE="Video_Game_King"][QUOTE="huladog123"][QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]

[QUOTE="huladog123"][QUOTE="Rhazakna"]You can't prove, or disprove the existence of God, so everyone stop trying.huladog123

Oh really? Go ahead and prove it. *pulls up La-Z-Boy reliner* I've got aaaaallllll the time in the world.

Yea, I can actually disprove God with the same point. There are only two reasons people do things: they want to do it, or they need to. So let's explore the wanting. The lust. Anyway, want is created by lacking. God cannot lack, because he is perfect. Nothing can not be him, nor can he not have anything. But what's that? He needed to? Is this because he had to answer to a higher being, whether it be a person or an instinct? But isn't God the highest being in all the land? Counter all of this. I can admit that there's some truth in the Bible (I've even come up with a logical basis for the Adam & Eve thing), but either God doesn't exist, or he doesn't exist as described in the Bible. Your pick.

So God doesn't love me? He'd shove me into eternal suffering for the rest of my afterlife because I didn't follow his ambiguous clues? Just what kind of love is this? The kind that I'd get arrested for if I attempted to put it into practice?

[QUOTE="huladog123"][QUOTE="Video_Game_King"][QUOTE="huladog123"][QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]

[QUOTE="huladog123"][QUOTE="Rhazakna"]You can't prove, or disprove the existence of God, so everyone stop trying.luke1889

Oh really? Go ahead and prove it. *pulls up La-Z-Boy reliner* I've got aaaaallllll the time in the world.

Yea, I can actually disprove God with the same point. There are only two reasons people do things: they want to do it, or they need to. So let's explore the wanting. The lust. Anyway, want is created by lacking. God cannot lack, because he is perfect. Nothing can not be him, nor can he not have anything. But what's that? He needed to? Is this because he had to answer to a higher being, whether it be a person or an instinct? But isn't God the highest being in all the land? Counter all of this. I can admit that there's some truth in the Bible (I've even come up with a logical basis for the Adam & Eve thing), but either God doesn't exist, or he doesn't exist as described in the Bible. Your pick.

If you were to approach this issue from a purely objective standpoint, assuming that God exists is not the best of starts. Biased much?

[QUOTE="topraman517"][QUOTE="huladog123"][QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]

[QUOTE="huladog123"][QUOTE="Rhazakna"]You can't prove, or disprove the existence of God, so everyone stop trying.huladog123

Oh really? Go ahead and prove it. *pulls up La-Z-Boy reliner* I've got aaaaallllll the time in the world.

So, because a book, that was written by people that no one knows personally, says that God spoke us into existence, that makes it true? Well okay then, I guess the same thing applies to the Satanic Bible. Get my point?

Also, another very flawed part of your argument: you seem to believe in what the Bible says because it makes you happy. Basically you're believing in what is convenient for you. Guess what? People are dying in horrible ways in Iraq. You can:

a) Ignore the fact, and pretend like it's not happening. This will seem like a good decision at the time, but in the long run, the real deal may affect you in disastrous ways which you will not be prepared for.

b) Accept the fact, and act/think accordingly.

What I'm trying to say is, what if you find out one day(perhaps when you die) that God does not exist? You would be traumatized! If you weren't already dead, you would probably kill yourself!

On the other hand, if you accept the possibility of there not being a God, you will just be like, "meh". And if there is a God, you will still be like, "meh", because you didn't rule out the possibility of there being a God either.

Again, your blind assumptions are contorting your logic.

[QUOTE="huladog123"][QUOTE="Video_Game_King"][QUOTE="huladog123"][QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]

[QUOTE="huladog123"][QUOTE="Rhazakna"]You can't prove, or disprove the existence of God, so everyone stop trying.Video_Game_King

Oh really? Go ahead and prove it. *pulls up La-Z-Boy reliner* I've got aaaaallllll the time in the world.

Yea, I can actually disprove God with the same point. There are only two reasons people do things: they want to do it, or they need to. So let's explore the wanting. The lust. Anyway, want is created by lacking. God cannot lack, because he is perfect. Nothing can not be him, nor can he not have anything. But what's that? He needed to? Is this because he had to answer to a higher being, whether it be a person or an instinct? But isn't God the highest being in all the land? Counter all of this. I can admit that there's some truth in the Bible (I've even come up with a logical basis for the Adam & Eve thing), but either God doesn't exist, or he doesn't exist as described in the Bible. Your pick.

So God doesn't love me? He'd shove me into eternal suffering for the rest of my afterlife because I didn't follow his ambiguous clues? Just what kind of love is this? The kind that I'd get arrested for if I attempted to put it into practice?