NAACP is angry at a hallmark card.... >_>

after watching this video clip a few times over i still fail to hear any offensive things...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uneOOclsaPs&feature=player_embedded

What's sad is Hallmark won't even fight back. They know they're in the right, why not put the NAACP in it's place?

Well they been out of the pulic eye for awhile pretty sure they just trying to stir it up and get some attention.

Why so sensitive?

this was posted like a long time ago >.>

it does sound racist

What's sad is Hallmark won't even fight back. They know they're in the right, why not put the NAACP in it's place?

airshocker

What's sad is Hallmark won't even fight back. They know they're in the right, why not put the NAACP in it's place?

airshocker

It's just good business sense. Pulling a bunch of relatively worthless paper from the shelves (this won't even require a recall) will be FAR cheaper than fighting it. mattbbpl

Screams of cowardice, to me. I understand it'll be cheaper this way, but sometimes you need to put idiots in their place.

it does sound racist

gugler990

this was posted like a long time ago >.>

T_REX305

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What's sad is Hallmark won't even fight back. They know they're in the right, why not put the NAACP in it's place?

mattbbpl

Old story is old, I think.

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it does sound racist

KHAndAnime

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]It's just good business sense. Pulling a bunch of relatively worthless paper from the shelves (this won't even require a recall) will be FAR cheaper than fighting it. airshocker

Screams of cowardice, to me. I understand it'll be cheaper this way, but sometimes you need to put idiots in their place.

Old story is old, I think.SgtKevali

The management of a company would be frittering away the owners (shareholders) money on something that would do nothing but garner bad PR. I, for one, would be unhappy with a company who decided to do this if I owned substantial stock in them.mattbbpl

It's all about principle, for me. It doesn't take much money to write a simple press release saying:

"NAACP, please shove it where the sun doesn't shine and stay out of our business. It's clear you have lost all sense of reason, and we at Hallmark lament to see you fallen so far off the trail you originally set out upon. This has nothing to do with the fact that you represent black people, in fact, we happen to have three black executives on our board who think you are absoutely out of your minds.

Please go back to dealing with issues that are legitimately racist, like affirmative action.

Very respectfully,

Hallmark."

That's what I would have liked to have seen.

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]The management of a company would be frittering away the owners (shareholders) money on something that would do nothing but garner bad PR. I, for one, would be unhappy with a company who decided to do this if I owned substantial stock in them.airshocker

It's all about principle, for me. It doesn't take much money to write a simple press release saying:

"NAACP, please shove it where the sun doesn't shine and stay out of our business. It's clear you have lost all sense of reason, and we at Hallmark lament to see you fallen so far off the trail you originally set out upon. This has nothing to do with the fact that you represent black people, in fact, we happen to have three black executives on our board who think you are absoutely out of your minds.

Please go back to dealing with issues that are legitimately racist, like affirmative action.

Very respectfully,

Hallmark."

That's what I would have liked to have seen.

The NAACP is always angry about something. cybrcatter

That would be the dumbest move they could make in this situation. How will that make them more money? cybrcatter

I'd be willing to bet it won't lose them any money. Honestly, can you really tell me you think the NAACP isn't insane and out of touch with reality?

Haillmark would be hailed as heroes and probably sell even more cards if they said everything I just touched on.

Everything is racist these days.

[QUOTE="cybrcatter"]That would be the dumbest move they could make in this situation. How will that make them more money? airshocker

I'd be willing to bet it won't lose them any money. Honestly, can you really tell me you think the NAACP isn't insane and out of touch with reality?

Haillmark would be hailed as heroes and probably sell even more cards if they said everything I just touched on.

It's just the LA branch you know...

It's just the LA branch you know...

SgtKevali

Doesn't make them any less insane, or the organization any less responsible for what their members say.

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It's just the LA branch you know...

airshocker

Doesn't make them any less insane, or the organization any less responsible for what their members say.

But it's not the overall NAACP that did this, rather a local branch. So it isn't exactly fair to dismiss the entire organization.

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]The management of a company would be frittering away the owners (shareholders) money on something that would do nothing but garner bad PR. I, for one, would be unhappy with a company who decided to do this if I owned substantial stock in them.airshocker

It's all about principle, for me. It doesn't take much money to write a simple press release saying:

"NAACP, please shove it where the sun doesn't shine and stay out of our business. It's clear you have lost all sense of reason, and we at Hallmark lament to see you fallen so far off the trail you originally set out upon. This has nothing to do with the fact that you represent black people, in fact, we happen to have three black executives on our board who think you are absoutely out of your minds.

Please go back to dealing with issues that are legitimately racist, like affirmative action.

Very respectfully,

Hallmark."

That's what I would have liked to have seen.

How advanced to black rights have to be before they declare civil rights to be a success, and disband?Bourbons3

I'm surprised to see you, of all people, asking this question.

If this story is any indication, they won't stop until they have more rights than everyone else.

But it's not the overall NAACP that did this, rather a local branch. So it isn't exactly fair to dismiss the entire organization.

SgtKevali

The NAACP only loses points when they purport that a card company is spouting racism. Doesn't matter where the branch is located, or that it's only one branch. I see an organization that takes itself way too seriously and finds shadows where there aren't any. Just like it doesn't matter that the majority of tea party members aren't racists, they're still called it anyway.

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But it's not the overall NAACP that did this, rather a local branch. So it isn't exactly fair to dismiss the entire organization.

airshocker

The NAACP only loses points when they purport that a card company is spouting racism. Doesn't matter where the branch is located, or that it's only one branch. I see an organization that takes itself way too seriously and finds shadows where there aren't any. Just like it doesn't matter that the majority of tea party members aren't racists, they're still called it anyway.

So according to your line of thinking, just because some Tea Party members are racist, they should all be demeaned for being racist? Two wrongs don't make a right, you know.

It would be a PR disaster. For one, hostile and sarcastic responses from corporations don't generally sit well with consumers anyway. Second, the pro-NAACP people would be call for blood. Third, the people who don't care about the NAACP but care about civil rights would be crying over you bad-mouthing affirmative action (I don't know if your comment about affirmative action was meant in a negative light or not, but it would be construed as such - and there are a lof of pro-affirmative action people out there).

The PR game is difficult even when you issue only polite comments and don't fight non-profit organizations. They don't want to start snidely fighting with civil rights groups.mattbbpl

See, I just don't care about PR, and it's about time corporations did the same thing, when they're in the right.

How can racism ever go away when we have organizations that claim it's still going on whenever they hear the word black? It's nuts. I say let's be equally nuts. Call them out for being the racists. Enough with the PC bull. I think we get enough of that whenever we hear Obama talk.

So according to your line of thinking, just because some Tea Party members are racist, they should all be demeaned for being racist? Two wrongs don't make a right, you know.

SgtKevali

No, my only line of thinking is "Damned if you do, damned if you don't." Might as well stick to the side that's tired of the same old ****.\

And enough with the patronizing attitude, please. It's getting a little annoying.

the racist/racism wagon..it has arrived..

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So according to your line of thinking, just because some Tea Party members are racist, they should all be demeaned for being racist? Two wrongs don't make a right, you know.

airshocker

No, my only line of thinking is "Damned if you do, damned if you don't." Might as well stick to the side that's tired of the same old ****.\

And enough with the patronizing attitude, please. It's getting a little annoying.

So I assume that you don't complain when Tea Party members are called racist? It shouldn't be about these "sides" (they are labels that divide and separate), it makes more sense to call out what's wrong in both instances.

Would pointing out the irony be patronizing? :lol: Seriously though, I'm sorry if it seems like that, it is not my intent.

[QUOTE="Bourbons3"]How advanced to black rights have to be before they declare civil rights to be a success, and disband?Communistik

I'm surprised to see you, of all people, asking this question.

If this story is any indication, they won't stop until they have more rights than everyone else.

So I assume that you don't complain when Tea Party members are called racist? It shouldn't be about these "sides" (they are labels that divide and separate), it makes more sense to call out what's wrong in both instances.

Would pointing out the irony be patronizing? :lol: Seriously though, I'm sorry if it seems like that, it is not my intent.

SgtKevali

Of course I complain, but I know people are going to think the movement is racist no matter what I say. I just think there are certain times when people are too politically correct. I don't think somebody, or some company, should just back down because some organization---which, let's face itt, likes to jump the gun a bit---thinks their card is being racist when it clearly isn't.

And I think you know I wasn't being too serious with my letter from Hallmark to the NAACP. If you didn't, rest assured, I would be a little more tactful if I had to write such a thing.

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[QUOTE="Bourbons3"]How advanced to black rights have to be before they declare civil rights to be a success, and disband?Bourbons3

I'm surprised to see you, of all people, asking this question.

If this story is any indication, they won't stop until they have more rights than everyone else.

They're completely out of touch. I'm just surprised to see you acknowledge something like that about a liberal organization.

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]It would be a PR disaster. For one, hostile and sarcastic responses from corporations don't generally sit well with consumers anyway. Second, the pro-NAACP people would be call for blood. Third, the people who don't care about the NAACP but care about civil rights would be crying over you bad-mouthing affirmative action (I don't know if your comment about affirmative action was meant in a negative light or not, but it would be construed as such - and there are a lof of pro-affirmative action people out there).

The PR game is difficult even when you issue only polite comments and don't fight non-profit organizations. They don't want to start snidely fighting with civil rights groups.

See, I just don't care about PR, and it's about time corporations did the same thing, when they're in the right.

How can racism ever go away when we have organizations that claim it's still going on whenever they hear the word black? It's nuts. I say let's be equally nuts. Call them out for being the racists. Enough with the PC bull. I think we get enough of that whenever we hear Obama talk.

I think everyone here is missing the the big picture in the story.

The speakers name was Leon Jenkins. I ofund that hilarious....

I heard this when I listened tomy favorite radio station KROQ.

Wow...I mean, I've joked in the past that they're just making up things now to be offended about but this is way out there.

my grandparents(rip) on both sides were more racist than anyone i will ever meet.but the older i get,the more i begin to understand them.it is sad but i suppose it may be natural for humans.xromad01