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#1 illegalimigrant
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I'm currently writing a novel however I suck at writing. Don't read much and never consider my writing good. However I think I'm creative and have good stories that I need to create. I'm currently writing a story which takes place in the 18 century and has some hidden fantasy elements. I was wondering if anyone here has some good work that maybe I can read to try and improve my style.

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#2 savetehhaloz
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Start reading novels. Novels will SHOW you proper writing styles.
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#3 kurtoronie
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Read some James Joyce

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#4 Freebird8877
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This will inspire you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRigWnMTWUY
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#5 enterawesome
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Some old english literature maybe, like Beuwolf or something. Maybe Lord of the Rings too. If you really can't write, you could always use poetry or make a comic.
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#6 Theokhoth
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Don't read much and never consider my writing good.

illegalimigrant

There's your first and second problem. Read like hell, and read everything; even crap you know you wouldn't like. The more you read, the better your writing will become; I completely guarantee that.

If you can't consider your writing good, find someone who can. Start (or join) a group of people in a workshop or just rope up some friends who'll read your stuff, and improve on what you lack.

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#7 illegalimigrant
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Start reading novels. Novels will SHOW you proper writing styles. savetehhaloz
Any that you recommend for the type of novel I'm writing. I don't want to make it concentrate on the powers or abilities per say but more on the characters. The way I want to make it is introduce this alternate earth where the history is changed and so is the landscape of world powers. However its a normal world or Earth in almost every sense. The story takes place in Venice as a revolution starts to unfold. However paranormal events and powers start to sneak in the story and in I want the reader to not know if these powers are real or coincidence. A lot more to the story but this is the main theme I want to use.
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id say read a few novels first, classics, then make a huge outline for it, then write and edit and edit till your eyes bleed, be prepared to write for at least a good year maybe more depending on the length.
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How about this: A story about a guy. Since this is the 18th century, crime detective work isnt very good and he is sent to jail on false accusations. Frustrated, he kills two gaurds and gets sentenced to death. To make it out of this situation, he kills his cell mate and uses his bones to dig a tunnel for him to escape, however he experiences bad luck when his tunnel collapses, and he is buried alive. During his last moments, a misterious fantasy like element comes and talks to him. The man begs the being to help him, and the being enfuriated, says no. He explains how even if he was innocent at first, he turned into a criminal, and that he must pay for his sins. He will revive as an ugly beast, which is an outcast from the world, and in that life if he doesn't improve his ways, he will suffer the tortures of hell. He wakes up as an ugly creature, sad but ready to do his duty. People find him, and try to hunt him. He must run, and while running he encounters an area of land where a dark lord is plotting to destroy everyone. Blah blah blah, defeats him. The misterious fantasy thing from before comes and says he passes the test, and he turns back into a human. with a new light, he becomes a good sumeritan, however his murderous ways and anger still are in him. After being vconstrained for so long, he finally snaps, going on a massacre. The being comes to kill him, but as a suprise attack, the being is killed by the main character. Now, the world is following apart, it turns out, that was a god, and since he was killed, the new one to take his place is an evil god, wanting to destroy the world. The main character cries as he realizes what he is done, and the evil got tortures him to death.

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1984 is my favorite book, so I guess start there. I'm sure it would really help an aspiring writer in creating their own fictional world.

EDIT: Read the OT conspiracy trilogy as well, from a fellow OT writer ;) (who, BTW, is in this thread)

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You should read the Northern Lights trilogy its a bit slow to get into but its good to read and give you ideas for the setting you seem to have in mind. Though just put pen to paper and let it all come out, don't stop, do not read back over it (you can do that when your finished) as I've been told myself your best ideas come to you the moment you start typing or put the pen to paper. It works for me.
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#12 savetehhaloz
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1984 is my favorite book, so I guess start there. I'm sure it would really help an aspiring writer in creating their own fictional world.rockon1215
I'm actually going to get 1984 as my summer reading novel.
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I'm currently writing a novel however I suck at writing.

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#14 DJF00P
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if you are writing fantasy I reccomend reading the xanth series

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It has to be from you, so there is no real way to 'get help' without outright plagiarising. Learn schemes and tropes -- i.e. 'figures of speech' -- to give you more effective ways to express the same thought. Then read novels to see how authors use them.
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Read! It doesn't even have to be book. I stopped reading books long ago (I read like a mad man throughout my childhood), but it's almost impossible to find something that is absolutely uninteresting in every way, and not worth reading.

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1984 is my favorite book, so I guess start there. I'm sure it would really help an aspiring writer in creating their own fictional world.

EDIT: Read the OT conspiracy trilogy as well, from a fellow OT writer ;) (who, BTW, is in this thread)

rockon1215

It's called the OT Resistance. :roll:

:P

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#18 DJF00P
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hey anyone read my plot i made

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The more you read, the better your writing will become; I completely guarantee that.

Theokhoth

I second this guarantee. Reading is essentially an easy and fun way to improve your vocabulary, among other things.

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#20 enterawesome
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hey anyone read my plot i made

DJF00P
That was actually very good. Forget the ending though, the guy needs to stay good, not kill a God and destroy everything, or it makes the reader feel like he/she wasted his/her time. Now delete it before someone steals it!
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#21 DJF00P
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[QUOTE="DJF00P"]

hey anyone read my plot i made

enterawesome
That was actually very good. Forget the ending though, the guy needs to stay good, not kill a God and destroy everything, or it makes the reader feel like he/she wasted his/her time. Now delete it before someone steals it!

lol that wasnt nearly my best, but i was just trying to help. i have a much better idea I am working on.
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#22 Theokhoth
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[QUOTE="DJF00P"]

hey anyone read my plot i made

enterawesome

That was actually very good. Forget the ending though, the guy needs to stay good, not kill a God and destroy everything, or it makes the reader feel like he/she wasted his/her time. Now delete it before someone steals it!

Too late.:twisted:

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#23 DJF00P
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eh, take it

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#24 illegalimigrant
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hey anyone read my plot i made

DJF00P

Yea I read the plot but I want something that has fantasy but that it can be explainable so as to not give away that something paranormal is going on. Not a bad plot pretty creative actually. Kinda of like some of the old ideas I used to have. I already have the plot figured out so that is not a problem. With my story it starts out with a 23 year old girl named Andrea that has no family and gets an opportunity to find her brother the only family member that she did not see die. She joins the revolution to do this and becomes an important figure in it. However at the end of her journey she must choose to betray the Revolution for her brother or her brother for the Revolution. Weird things happen as part of the fantasy setting. Like I have a character that is always in the front lines of the battlefield and never hurt. He becomes a hero, a eventually a suspected spy. However it seems that his suicidal tendency seem to have no effect on his life as he constantly survives charges into volleys of enemy fire while everyone around him falls. And of course there is many twists.

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#25 DJF00P
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[QUOTE="DJF00P"]

hey anyone read my plot i made

illegalimigrant
Yea I read the plot but I want something that has fantasy but that it can be explainable so as to not give away that something paranormal is going on. I already have the plot figured out so that is not a problem. With my story it starts out with a 23 year old girl named Andrea that has no family and gets an opportunity to find her brother the only family member that she did not see die. She joins the revolution to do this and becomes an important figure in it. However at the end of her journey she must choose to betray the Revolution for her brother or her brother for the Revolution. Weird things happen as part of the fantasy setting. Like I have a character that is always in the front lines of the battlefield and never hurt. He becomes a hero, a eventually a suspected spy. However it seems that his suicidal tendency seem to have no effect on his life as he constantly survives charges into volleys of enemy fire while everyone around him falls. And of course there is many twists.

Hm... Has to have a good interrogation scene when she is accused of being a spy. I reccomend she secretly betrays them after she is found innocent of being a spy, because of the anger she had that they would even accuse her. Here and there she helps the other side, nothing that big of a deal, but eventually her betrayals start to effect the outcome of the war, and she loses friends and such... go from there
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you should title it "Faster than the speed of love." j/k. You should read a couple of novels to help write it better like 1984 or Misery.

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#27 illegalimigrant
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[QUOTE="illegalimigrant"][QUOTE="DJF00P"]

hey anyone read my plot i made

DJF00P

Yea I read the plot but I want something that has fantasy but that it can be explainable so as to not give away that something paranormal is going on. I already have the plot figured out so that is not a problem. With my story it starts out with a 23 year old girl named Andrea that has no family and gets an opportunity to find her brother the only family member that she did not see die. She joins the revolution to do this and becomes an important figure in it. However at the end of her journey she must choose to betray the Revolution for her brother or her brother for the Revolution. Weird things happen as part of the fantasy setting. Like I have a character that is always in the front lines of the battlefield and never hurt. He becomes a hero, a eventually a suspected spy. However it seems that his suicidal tendency seem to have no effect on his life as he constantly survives charges into volleys of enemy fire while everyone around him falls. And of course there is many twists.

Hm... Has to have a good interrogation scene when she is accused of being a spy. I reccomend she secretly betrays them after she is found innocent of being a spy, because of the anger she had that they would even accuse her. Here and there she helps the other side, nothing that big of a deal, but eventually her betrayals start to effect the outcome of the war, and she loses friends and such... go from there

Man you are full of creativity!! Wanna write a story together? I love to help with plots too. But the guy does not betray the revolution. He does not really care for the revolution neither. He is just trying to die in order to atone for abandoning his younger brother who looked up to him in the battlefield. He becomes a spy suspect when there is no record of him ever living in his hometown. And all the information about him seems to be false.

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#28 matisrock
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Step 1: Put your novel on hold for 5-6 years.

Step 2: Read in your spare time. Novels, newspapers, plays, history books, anything.

Step 3: Find elements you like in what you've read; practice using these in your own writing.

Step 4: Remember that novel you were going to write 5-6 years ago? Give it a shot now.

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Read Lord of the Rings :)
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Also can someone share some of their work so I can know how crappy my writing is? I think the problem with mine is that I'm too descriptive. And I have not been to elegant with my words. But I do expect to go over a couple of times. And yes I have started reading some of your recomendations. Any napoleanic warfare books would also be awsome if you could recomend since my story will take place in that scenario.

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Also can someone share some of their work so I can know how crappy my writing is? I think the problem with mine is that I'm too descriptive. And I have not been to elegant with my words. But I do expect to go over a couple of times. And yes I have started reading some of your recomendations. Any napoleanic warfare books would also be awsome if you could recomend since my story will take place in that scenario.

illegalimigrant
Okay, I have an awful synopsis for a novel I'm writing. Fear not, the actual story is much better: A man named Mike Kent gains superpowers in a fatal accident that kills his family. The government finds out and tests him to discover he can harness and absorb electricity, and if he takes in a lot, he doesn't have to eat or drink, as electricity becomes an alternate way of getting energy. The government sends him out to a dying city called Fell Port, a once gleaming metropolis that became twisted and destroyed due to lack of security and too much wealth. At first, he simply helps pedestrians in trouble with gangsters or seek out mob leaders. Eventually, his work starts to become unethical, like assisting an underground "mob" secretly controlled by the government in order to establish order within the city by taking down unofficial militia and what is left of the police force. He is faced with overwhelming evidence supporting two sides, either helping the government restore order in the way they see fit, or risk total annihilation of the city through a slow, perhaps useless force of a single man against a far greater force, and must choose, or give up the city for good and live on his own, and try to rebuild his life. He chooses to go rogue and abandon the government and fight off the "mob" and save the last bit of good that Fell Port has. Sequels are made possible, but not through cliffhanger.
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And if anyone wants to help me edit my story I would appreciate it.
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#33 illegalimigrant
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[QUOTE="illegalimigrant"]

Also can someone share some of their work so I can know how crappy my writing is? I think the problem with mine is that I'm too descriptive. And I have not been to elegant with my words. But I do expect to go over a couple of times. And yes I have started reading some of your recomendations. Any napoleanic warfare books would also be awsome if you could recomend since my story will take place in that scenario.

enterawesome
Okay, I have an awful synopsis for a novel I'm writing. Fear not, the actual story is much better: A man named Mike Kent gains superpowers in a fatal accident that kills his family. The government finds out and tests him to discover he can harness and absorb electricity, and if he takes in a lot, he doesn't have to eat or drink, as electricity becomes an alternate way of getting energy. The government sends him out to a dying city called Fell Port, a once gleaming metropolis that became twisted and destroyed due to lack of security and too much wealth. At first, he simply helps pedestrians in trouble with gangsters or seek out mob leaders. Eventually, his work starts to become unethical, like assisting an underground "mob" secretly controlled by the government in order to establish order within the city by taking down unofficial militia and what is left of the police force. He is faced with overwhelming evidence supporting two sides, either helping the government restore order in the way they see fit, or risk total annihilation of the city through a slow, perhaps useless force of a single man against a far greater force, and must choose, or give up the city for good and live on his own, and try to rebuild his life. He chooses to go rogue and abandon the government and fight off the "mob" and save the last bit of good that Fell Port has. Sequels are made possible, but not through cliffhanger.

This is like a superhero book right? Care to share some pages of the novel to check out your writing style.
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lol the problem I have is afer maybe 30 pages, I lost interest, and maybe take like 2 weeks before writing more...

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#35 illegalimigrant
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lol the problem I have is afer maybe 30 pages, I lost interest, and maybe take like 2 weeks before writing more...

DJF00P
Can you share some of the pages to see your writing style?
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[QUOTE="illegalimigrant"]

I'm currently writing a novel however I suck at writing.

vendettared468

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Exactly my thought. You should read some great English novels and your writing is sure to improve quite a bit.

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#37 rockon1215
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[QUOTE="rockon1215"]

1984 is my favorite book, so I guess start there. I'm sure it would really help an aspiring writer in creating their own fictional world.

EDIT: Read the OT conspiracy trilogy as well, from a fellow OT writer ;) (who, BTW, is in this thread)

Theokhoth

It's called the OT Resistance. :roll:

:P

Well, it's OT Conspiracy in my book marks, so TAKE THAT!!!
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I've always heard that it's best to write what you know. If that happens to be 18 century fantasy, good on ya.
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[QUOTE="illegalimigrant"][QUOTE="enterawesome"][QUOTE="illegalimigrant"]

Also can someone share some of their work so I can know how crappy my writing is? I think the problem with mine is that I'm too descriptive. And I have not been to elegant with my words. But I do expect to go over a couple of times. And yes I have started reading some of your recomendations. Any napoleanic warfare books would also be awsome if you could recomend since my story will take place in that scenario.

Okay, I have an awful synopsis for a novel I'm writing. Fear not, the actual story is much better: A man named Mike Kent gains superpowers in a fatal accident that kills his family. The government finds out and tests him to discover he can harness and absorb electricity, and if he takes in a lot, he doesn't have to eat or drink, as electricity becomes an alternate way of getting energy. The government sends him out to a dying city called Fell Port, a once gleaming metropolis that became twisted and destroyed due to lack of security and too much wealth. At first, he simply helps pedestrians in trouble with gangsters or seek out mob leaders. Eventually, his work starts to become unethical, like assisting an underground "mob" secretly controlled by the government in order to establish order within the city by taking down unofficial militia and what is left of the police force. He is faced with overwhelming evidence supporting two sides, either helping the government restore order in the way they see fit, or risk total annihilation of the city through a slow, perhaps useless force of a single man against a far greater force, and must choose, or give up the city for good and live on his own, and try to rebuild his life. He chooses to go rogue and abandon the government and fight off the "mob" and save the last bit of good that Fell Port has. Sequels are made possible, but not through cliffhanger.

This is like a superhero book right? Care to share some pages of the novel to check out your writing style.

Yeah, its a super hero book, but I want to explore the psycological and emotional bits of being a hero, something that generally isn't done, and can't be done in a comic book. And trust me, you don't want what I've written, I still have a LOT of editing and writing to do.
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[QUOTE="DJF00P"]

lol the problem I have is afer maybe 30 pages, I lost interest, and maybe take like 2 weeks before writing more...

illegalimigrant
Can you share some of the pages to see your writing style?

I have 2 writing styles one is this breif history of a forum I used to post at Stepmaniaonline, approximately in it's 73rd lunar century, or 2008 for ye people, was attempting to rebuild itself after it's vast struggle with Herored. Herored, previously before had been a queer worker, had been given full Administration powers over the area after sucking up to many of the other administrators, saying how dedicated he (Herored) would be to the website. This had upsetted many well known people, including Izzy, one of the oldest and wisest men in the entire Stepmania world. Many had predicted that there would be altercations, but none expected the extreme complications that would result. Through a complete act of hypocracy, Herored began a community of his own, creatively named StepmaniaRed. (Exact date unknown) The developement never got anywhere past a few members. One of the prime members was Bright. Bright was one of the most asinine creatures to exist, with his grammar which resembled a 4 year old's, and his extreme acts of spam. Herored was convinced that his forum would prosper, as his place would see a post about once a day. Bright, in one of his sugared milk rages, was on one of his daily "hyper craze-outs" and deleted all 12 heartfelt posts on StepmaniaRed. Upon discovering this, Herored, being the pyschologically unstable person he was, took out his rage upon SMO. While in a chat session with a fellow SMO resident, Herored set fire to nearly all of Stepmaniaonline. He was only able to do this once he has fully honed and prepared his moderator powers, which had given him control to ignite different objects on command. It is predicted that this was the result of his most supreme ability to fail Quasar, the most known technique ever to be pondered.