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#101 clyde46
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Well if they actually assumed he was 'ban dodging' because of that post and banned him for that, then that's the most ridiculous mod action I've seen on this site. Whoever did that should resign his/her internet cop status.MrPraline
I dont think resigning is the answer. A little more discreation is in order.
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#102 MAILER_DAEMON
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[QUOTE="Razor-Lazor"][QUOTE="taj7575"]

yet...thats what they did :|

KOTORkicker

We don't know that.

This is true. I'm still waiting on a reply from mailer.

Um, I'm kinda here. You didn't have to announce that you were PMing me. :|

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#103 legend26
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Noooooooooo!!!!1

why mods!? :cry: you evil beings! *shakes fist*

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#104 horgen  Moderator
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I sort of don't understand how such often OTers get banned AFTER they get known. It's like, why wouldn't they have offended before they were known when they were new, rather to getting banned after being fine and safe, at least long enough for people to know them.FastNorwegian
Because some of them keep repeating breaking the ToU
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#105 taj7575
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[QUOTE="taj7575"]

[QUOTE="KOTORkicker"] That's a stupid thing for anyone to assume, let alone mods.Razor-Lazor

yet...thats what they did :|

We don't know that.

probably shouldnt have jumped to conclusions, but thats what it seems like.

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#106 MrPraline
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[QUOTE="MrPraline"]Well if they actually assumed he was 'ban dodging' because of that post and banned him for that, then that's the most ridiculous mod action I've seen on this site. Whoever did that should resign his/her internet cop status.clyde46
I dont think resigning is the answer. A little more discreation is in order.

Sounds good to me.
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#108 Dariency
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Aw man, I actually liked him. He said he liked my reviews :cry:

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#109 Parandrus
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Link to thread with jachichorro post in it.KOTORkicker
So they banned that account too. Doesn't that mean that it was known that his other was not banned, therefore he wasn't ban-dodging. Unless he had a third account or the avatar change never took effect for some reason.
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#110 pvtdonut54
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wait...what!? The reaper has come to OT.

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#111 super_mario_128
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[QUOTE="KOTORkicker"][QUOTE="Razor-Lazor"] We don't know that.MAILER_DAEMON

This is true. I'm still waiting on a reply from mailer.

Um, I'm kinda here. You didn't have to announce that you were PMing me. :|

Well if people realize you're getting PM'ed, that'll prevent you from being hit with 20 angry messages all at once. >__>
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#112 KOTORkicker
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[QUOTE="KOTORkicker"][QUOTE="Razor-Lazor"] We don't know that.MAILER_DAEMON

This is true. I'm still waiting on a reply from mailer.

Um, I'm kinda here. You didn't have to announce that you were PMing me. :|

we can discuss here then. :P
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#113 Parandrus
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[QUOTE="KOTORkicker"]copypasta from me and mailer's discussion so far: [QUOTE="MAILER_DAEMON"][QUOTE="KOTORkicker"] I'm sure you already know this, but I'd just like to clarify that this isn't a misunderstanding of some kind. I remember seeing you and tiger argue at length in a thread around december, and he said in this thread that he was now using neon-tiger instead of jachichorro. is the reason that he has been banned this? could you look for me please? I'm just worried this is a misunderstanding and that he has done nothing wrong, yet been banned because of a lack of knowledge on the situation by another mod. kotor

It's up to him to contact Customer Support, but I'm well aware of the jachichorro situation. In fact, whenever someone suspected him, I'd be the one to bring that up. However, he straight-up admitted that he was ban dodging in a post.

hmm.

So it was how they interpreted what he said.
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#114 ayanami_rei
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Mm, exactly. Ayanamei_rei addressed him in the second person... naturally he replied in the first person. 'cause that's how the English language tends to work. Not that I expect most mods to pay much attention to subtleties such as these in their rush to ban whoever the **** they feel like.Funky_Llama
Um, one: I can't ban. Why? I'm a gMod. GMods can only suspend, give point loss, and warnings, so how can I ban him? Two, I was talking to him by using "you" in general terms. If he really means that he wasn't banned, he should have worded it differently instead of the way that he did. Don't you think?
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#115 Razor-Lazor
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[QUOTE="KOTORkicker"]Link to thread with jachichorro post in it.Oblivionfan10
Hey, its that Bobba Fett guy

:lol: The first few posts in that thread are epic.
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#116 Lord_Daemon
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Out of all the "so and so is banned" threads that I've seen this is the only one that saddens me greatly. Upon a quick review of the thread however, there does appear to be some hope that this is simply a misunderstanding and hopefully the clerical error can be rectified and Neon will be back soon. This is my hope at least.

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#117 elblanquito_81
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[QUOTE="elblanquito_81"]

Didn't interact with they guy but he seemed alright. Shame that they could ban someone so quickly under the suspicion that they're ban-dodging. I mean, the guy was just posting not more than 20 minutes ago. How could the mods know so quickly? I was under the impression they had to ask the admins first to check a user's IP before they banned someone if ban-dodging is the issue. Could be wrong but I thought that's how it worked.

clyde46

Its like the cops saying that a person looked suspicious so we locked him up. Even though hes done nothing wrong.

Seems like a bad policy imo. Why the rush to ban someone without knowing for sure? Well, if he wasn't and all this is a big understanding then, hopefully, he knows to go and contact customer service and get himself unbanned.

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#120 FastNorwegian
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[QUOTE="FastNorwegian"]I sort of don't understand how such often OTers get banned AFTER they get known. It's like, why wouldn't they have offended before they were known when they were new, rather to getting banned after being fine and safe, at least long enough for people to know them.horgen123
Because some of them keep repeating breaking the ToU

I just have such a hard time believing that. His posts in particular weren't even slightly edgey.
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#122 KOTORkicker
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Out of all the "so and so is banned" threads that I've seen this is the only one that saddens me greatly. Upon a quick review of the thread however, there does appear to be some hope that this is simply a misunderstanding and hopefully the clerical error can be rectified and Neon will be back soon. This is my hope at least.

Lord_Daemon
that is all it is; a misunderstanding. but still, whoever made the mistake should be held accountable.
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#123 black_cat19
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[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Yes, the phrasing seems to just be poor. The response "Community privileges I got taken away when banned" seems to be answering the hypothetical quesiton "What will you gain by ban dodging?" as opposed to professing what he actually did gain (if he had) by ban dodging.

super_mario_128

Mm, exactly. Ayanamei_rei addressed him in the second person... naturally he replied in the first person. 'cause that's how the English language tends to work. Not that I expect most mods to pay much attention to subtleties such as these in their rush to ban whoever the **** they feel like.

Watch it, your bitterness may not serve you well in the end. >__> We don't want a third major casualty in a matter of hours.

Yeah, keep cool Llama, even though I don't frequent religion threads anymore, I'd hate to see you get banned. :P

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#125 super_mario_128
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Um, one: I can't ban. Why? I'm a gMod. GMods can only suspend, give point loss, and warnings, so how can I ban him? Two, I was talking to him by using "you" in general terms. If he really means that he wasn't banned, he should have worded it differently instead of the way that he did. Don't you think?ayanami_rei
Not to get into an argument, but Funky didn't blame you specifically for it, and also, his post was ambiguous, yes, but I'mpretty darn sure everybody else in that thread took it in the opposite way to what the mod who banned him did. Granted it was worded poorly but a perma-ban for that is ridiculous. If you had evidence to support the theory that he was a BD'er then no complaints here, otherwise, well, you know my stance on it.

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#126 SolidSnake35
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He was a threat to our innocent minds.
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#127 Razor-Lazor
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He was a threat to our innocent minds.SolidSnake35
Where have you been? :o
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#128 clyde46
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[QUOTE="Lord_Daemon"]

Out of all the "so and so is banned" threads that I've seen this is the only one that saddens me greatly. Upon a quick review of the thread however, there does appear to be some hope that this is simply a misunderstanding and hopefully the clerical error can be rectified and Neon will be back soon. This is my hope at least.

KOTORkicker
that is all it is; a misunderstanding. but still, whoever made the mistake should be held accountable.

I know users will be baying for some mod blood but I think the ToU needs to be revised and more discretion is needed by the mods.
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#129 MAILER_DAEMON
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[QUOTE="MAILER_DAEMON"]

[QUOTE="KOTORkicker"] This is true. I'm still waiting on a reply from mailer.KOTORkicker

Um, I'm kinda here. You didn't have to announce that you were PMing me. :|

we can discuss here then. :P

After the crap you just pulled, there's nothing to discuss. I stand by what I said though.
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#130 ishoturface
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umm who? never heard of em
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#131 MrPraline
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[QUOTE="Lord_Daemon"]

Out of all the "so and so is banned" threads that I've seen this is the only one that saddens me greatly. Upon a quick review of the thread however, there does appear to be some hope that this is simply a misunderstanding and hopefully the clerical error can be rectified and Neon will be back soon. This is my hope at least.

KOTORkicker
that is all it is; a misunderstanding. but still, whoever made the mistake should be held accountable.

Yep.
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#132 foxhound_fox
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I knew he was... but I don't know who exactly he is.

A shame though.

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#133 horgen  Moderator
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[QUOTE="FastNorwegian"] I just have such a hard time believing that. His posts in particular weren't even slightly edgey.

I doubt neon tiger got modded nearly as many times as jointed did, but you can argue that he says he is ban dodging in one post he made in the RIP Jointed thread. Saying you're ban dodging gets you banned again.
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#134 Dark_Knight6
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What a downer. :( I liked that guy, he had good taste in music and he was teh sexay. :(

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#135 clyde46
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[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="KOTORkicker"] hmm.Razor-Lazor
It's "up to him". You've gotta be kidding me, mods. It's up to the mods to either prove he was ban dodging (IP check) or fix their mistake. =/

But it's up to him to contact customer support.

Mods cannot check IPs. Thats only avaiable to the admins. Its a bit early to get the admins in.
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[QUOTE="KOTORkicker"][QUOTE="Razor-Lazor"] We don't know that.MAILER_DAEMON

This is true. I'm still waiting on a reply from mailer.

Um, I'm kinda here. You didn't have to announce that you were PMing me. :|

It doesn't hurt anything? :?
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#137 FFCYAN
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umm who? never heard of emishoturface
And who are you exactly? If you frequent the OT forum, you would have heard of him.

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#138 Razor-Lazor
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="MAILER_DAEMON"]

This is true. I'm still waiting on a reply from mailer.KOTORkicker
Um, I'm kinda here. You didn't have to announce that you were PMing me. :|

It doesn't hurt anything? :?

Seriously, you never really announced you were here...
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#139 SolidSnake35
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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]He was a threat to our innocent minds.Razor-Lazor
Where have you been? :o

University. But it's summer now and I've come crawling back.
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#140 clyde46
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[QUOTE="ishoturface"]umm who? never heard of emFFCYAN

And who are you exactly? If you frequent the OT forum, you would have heard of him.

Neon was one of the best OT posters.
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#141 _LiquidFlame_
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WTF No! :(

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#142 MrPraline
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[QUOTE="Razor-Lazor"][QUOTE="MrPraline"] It's "up to him". You've gotta be kidding me, mods. It's up to the mods to either prove he was ban dodging (IP check) or fix their mistake. =/clyde46
But it's up to him to contact customer support.

Mods cannot check IPs.

Then mods shouldn't ban people for ban dodging.
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#143 ayanami_rei
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Not to get into an argument, but Funky didn't blame you specifically for it, and also, his post was ambiguous, yes, but I'mpretty darn sure everybody else in that thread took it in the opposite way to what the mod who banned him did. Granted it was worded poorly but a perma-ban for that is ridiculous. If you had evidence to support the theory that he was a BD'er then no complaints here, otherwise, well, you know my stance on it.

super_mario_128
If we let him slide with how we worded it, then we will have to let whoever actually ban dodges slide if they word it the same way Neon-Tiger did. We have zero tolerance for ban dodgers. I am sorry that it happened, but it's not my fault he worded it incorrectly. He had time to fix it from the time he posted that sentence to the time he was banned. It's not only our fault we interpreted it that way, but it is also his fault for posting it the way that he did. And not everybody interpreted the way you did. horgen123 interpreted the way we did. We can't do anything about it now. If Neon-Tiger wants to be unbanned, then he has to go to customer support and get it fixed. That's final.
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[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="Razor-Lazor"] But it's up to him to contact customer support.

Mods cannot check IPs.

Then mods shouldn't ban people for ban dodging.

I thought the mods couldn't ban...only suspend and all that other great stuff?
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#145 MAILER_DAEMON
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="MAILER_DAEMON"]Um, I'm kinda here. You didn't have to announce that you were PMing me. :|

Razor-Lazor

It doesn't hurt anything? :?

Seriously, you never really announced you were here...

So? I'm here, I'm in OT... if it hurt anything I'd have modded him for that. :P I'm saying that the way he went about things was in rather poor form.

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#146 ayanami_rei
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[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="Razor-Lazor"] But it's up to him to contact customer support.

Mods cannot check IPs.

Then mods shouldn't ban people for ban dodging.

We can't, but who says the admins can't? Don't forget, they can ban.
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#147 Dracula68
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Out of all the "so and so is banned" threads that I've seen this is the only one that saddens me greatly. Upon a quick review of the thread however, there does appear to be some hope that this is simply a misunderstanding and hopefully the clerical error can be rectified and Neon will be back soon. This is my hope at least.

Lord_Daemon
What error was made? I read the report and I would have done the same thing. There is no way for me to know who is serious or joking therefore I will ban people for saying they were banned previously or underage. Do NOT joke about these things if they are not fact because you will have one really, really hard time trying to convince Customer Support you were kidding.
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#148 MrPraline
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[QUOTE="super_mario_128"]

Not to get into an argument, but Funky didn't blame you specifically for it, and also, his post was ambiguous, yes, but I'mpretty darn sure everybody else in that thread took it in the opposite way to what the mod who banned him did. Granted it was worded poorly but a perma-ban for that is ridiculous. If you had evidence to support the theory that he was a BD'er then no complaints here, otherwise, well, you know my stance on it.

ayanami_rei
If we let him slide with how we worded it, then we will have to let whoever actually ban dodges slide if they word it the same way Neon-Tiger did. We have zero tolerance for ban dodgers. I am sorry that it happened, but it's not my fault he worded it incorrectly. He had time to fix it from the time he posted that sentence to the time he was banned. It's not only our fault we interpreted it that way, but it is also his fault for posting it the way that he did. And not everybody interpreted the way you did. horgen123 interpreted the way we did. We can't do anything about it now. If Neon-Tiger wants to be unbanned, then he has to go to customer support and get it fixed. That's final.

You've got to be ****ing kidding me.
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#149 Razor-Lazor
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[QUOTE="Razor-Lazor"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]He was a threat to our innocent minds.SolidSnake35
Where have you been? :o

University. But it's summer now and I've come crawling back.

Oh yeah, someone told me you were at college. Anyways, nice return. :P
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#150 MrPraline
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[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"][QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="clyde46"] Mods cannot check IPs.

Then mods shouldn't ban people for ban dodging.

I thought the mods couldn't ban...only suspend and all that other great stuff?

Oh, I don't know.