NFL fans: How do you feel about ESPN's new QB rating?

Here's a short clip sort of explaining what the new rating is about.

Here's a link ranking the QB's based on this new rating and further explaining the new statistic.

What do you think? Although I hate the idea of adding a new stat, I think it's good. Sometumes a QB can have a good game but the passer rating doesn't show it.

What say you, OT?

Yeah, the old QB rating didnt take into account a lot of issues.

I think QB ratings are only for the SW mentality of fans...at the end of the day...it all comes down to wins...losses and rings....what's the sense of having all these stats if you couldn't get your team a championship?...Omni-Slash

I think QB ratings are only for the SW mentality of fans...at the end of the day...it all comes down to wins...losses and rings....what's the sense of having all these stats if you couldn't get your team a championship?...Omni-Slash

For a team, this is correct. However, can't a great QB can be on a bad team?

[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"]I think QB ratings are only for the SW mentality of fans...at the end of the day...it all comes down to wins...losses and rings....what's the sense of having all these stats if you couldn't get your team a championship?...EntropyWins

For a team, this is correct. However, can't a great QB can be on a bad team?

For a team, this is correct. However, can't a great QB can be on a bad team?

EntropyWins

Archie Manning would say 'yes'rawsavon

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] Archie Manning would say 'yes'Omni-Slash

Also, a mediocre QB can be on a good team...see Sanchez the last 2 years (not that he can't become 'good'...but not in the top third right now)rawsavon

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]Also, a mediocre QB can be on a good team...see Sanchez the last 2 years (not that he can't become 'good'...but not in the top third right now)Omni-Slash

Also, a mediocre QB can be on a good team...see Sanchez the last 2 years (not that he can't become 'good'...but not in the top third right now)rawsavon

but rings =/= a great qb...unless you say Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer are great I don't think Marino was that great TBH (terrible leader, teammates hated him) But I certainly don't think Sanchez is in his league. Sanchez might become good, might not...but if we are drafting QB's to play THIS YEAR I doubt he goes in the top 12rawsavon

I still say Sanchez is not as good everybody thinks he is >.>mrmusicman247

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]Also, a mediocre QB can be on a good team...see Sanchez the last 2 years (not that he can't become 'good'...but not in the top third right now)mrmusicman247

it really doesnt matter at all :P

It sounds like this new rating is all opinion. I can see some QB's adjusting to what higher levels will be then the system will change. Sounds like a mess.

I think QB ratings are only for the SW mentality of fans...at the end of the day...it all comes down to wins...losses and rings....what's the sense of having all these stats if you couldn't get your team a championship?...Omni-Slash

It sounds like this new rating is all opinion. I can see some QB's adjusting to what higher levels will be then the system will change. Sounds like a mess.

ScreamDream

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It sounds like this new rating is all opinion. I can see some QB's adjusting to what higher levels will be then the system will change. Sounds like a mess.

limpbizkit818

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] but rings =/= a great qb...unless you say Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer are great I don't think Marino was that great TBH (terrible leader, teammates hated him) But I certainly don't think Sanchez is in his league. Sanchez might become good, might not...but if we are drafting QB's to play THIS YEAR I doubt he goes in the top 12Omni-Slash

Yup clearly Dilfer was a better QB then Rivers. Team accomplishments have a lot of weight in individual comparison...

I like it a lot. It really breaks down everything significant for the QB, so it can show how good the QB overall is. I can see why people don't like it though (it moves a bit away from the individual and can put in how bad the team is too, especially when you place in sacks), but personally, I like those extra stats added into the rating.

This is a rating ESPN came up with. It's not "the" new rating.

I liked the old one. People said it was hard to understand, but I found it to be very easy to understand -TD's very good -INT's very bad -Completion % good ...all the things that matter most IMOrawsavon

But not all INT's are the QB's fault. Other than that, those were the only stats I looked at in the old system in addition to yards per completion.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]I liked the old one. People said it was hard to understand, but I found it to be very easy to understand -TD's very good -INT's very bad -Completion % good ...all the things that matter most IMOQuistisTrepe_

But not all INT's are the QB's fault. Other than that, those were the only stats I looked at in the old system in addition to yards per completion.

This is a rating ESPN came up with. It's not "the" new rating.

Pirate700

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]I liked the old one. People said it was hard to understand, but I found it to be very easy to understand -TD's very good -INT's very bad -Completion % good ...all the things that matter most IMOrawsavon

But not all INT's are the QB's fault. Other than that, those were the only stats I looked at in the old system in addition to yards per completion.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

But not all INT's are the QB's fault. Other than that, those were the only stats I looked at in the old system in addition to yards per completion.

mrmusicman247

This is not baseball...

Football is not run by 'statheads' (thank God).
Baseball is the only sport where people still think the ghosts of the past would be great today. No one goes around saying Reg Grange would dominate today...they would ridiculed like nobody's business

My point is that baseball is ruled by numbers...they go over and over (and correct) things to get the right 'number' for people...to correct for ERA, RBI, etc
Football is not like that. And I sure as hell don't want it to be like that

I think QB ratings are only for the SW mentality of fans...at the end of the day...it all comes down to wins...losses and rings....what's the sense of having all these stats if you couldn't get your team a championship?...Omni-Slash

Trouble with the old rating is it never took into account things like receivers dropping or tipping passes and those get intercepted. Or the QB throwing a small screen pass and the running back going 50 yards. Those either make the QB look bad or good, but neither really was his doing.

[QUOTE="mrmusicman247"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] ...and not all touchdowns are the result of a great throw. It evens out. You have a pass bounce off a wr's hands for completions, drops, int's, and touchdowns all the time.rawsavon

This is not baseball...

Football is not run by 'statheads' (thank God).
Baseball is the only sport where people still think the ghosts of the past would be great today. No one goes around saying Reg Grange would dominate today...they would ridiculed like nobody's business

My point is that baseball is ruled by numbers...they go over and over (and correct) things to get the right 'number' for people...to correct for ERA, RBI, etc
Football is not like that. And I sure as hell don't want it to be like that

I like that it's not run by stat heads however that's not the argument. Some stats matter. Like a QB's passer rating. It's one of things coaches look at when deciding acquire a new QB. They shouldn't have to be penalized for mistakes they didn't make.

Some stats matter. Like a QB's passer rating. It's one of things coaches look at when deciding acquire a new QB. mrmusicman247

[QUOTE="mrmusicman247"]Some stats matter. Like a QB's passer rating. It's one of things coaches look at when deciding acquire a new QB. rawsavon

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="mrmusicman247"]Some stats matter. Like a QB's passer rating. It's one of things coaches look at when deciding acquire a new QB. mrmusicman247

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] but rings =/= a great qb...unless you say Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer are great I don't think Marino was that great TBH (terrible leader, teammates hated him) But I certainly don't think Sanchez is in his league. Sanchez might become good, might not...but if we are drafting QB's to play THIS YEAR I doubt he goes in the top 12Omni-Slash

It's a team sport. The QB can't win the SB for the team. With your way of thinking every position on a superbowl football team from punter to backups are better than players at every position on every other team that didn't win a superbowl.

Barry Sanders was one of the best running backs ever. He never won a superbowl. You going to tell me that every running back on every superbowl team is better than Sanders?

I never had a problem with the old rating system.