Northkorea? is Kim jung un an idiot or just a really big idiot

Kim Jung Un, he studied in Europe, so he must know what the modern world is like.

I mean surly he had TV in Switzerland or where ever the F he studied. he can't be that stupid, 

right? right.....  I mean the we the west, might be not so helpful at rebuilding a country.. but we Gdam sure are at blowing them the F up. i just hope he just doesn't try his nuke cause... the lives lost are truly in vain.. cause his country most likely will turn in to new Afghanistan/Iraq. desert included... i just hope that if its war, we wont be stuck there''forever'',. and on that note what would it help.. we have creationist, we know that despite all the evidence in the world they reject reality and substitute there own...

these people are exactly like that. can you fight a ground war. ''how ever caveman they might be''  against a people, that determent. and should we want to, of course we dont want to, but if the free world is pusht in to this war.. would we want to stay there and rebuild...

i know this sounds horrid there are people in great suffering there. but is this the first case were it saves lives not to go boots in?.. especially the civilian side cause they don't know any better.. there indoctrinated beyond belief over there... i mean could you shoot a child that want's to kill you because its brainwashed like that.. the child is not evil perse.. but its dead because.. we sent soldiers out there for some halve ass peace/rebuild project..

I dont know.. what's your prediction of this war if its gonna happen.. 

even scarier, is there a nuclear retaliation possible from allied forces US/EU/JPN ect.. and what would China do if we did.. scary world we live in today... i just hope it fizzles out 

Do you think the North Korean people would accept a new leader and government installed by the west after the old governments destruction?  

Kim Jung Un and the North Korean leadership are well aware that a war would result in their regime toppling, that is not their goal.

He's not the one pulling all the strings

Some would have said the same thing about Germany in WWII, that they were indoctrinated.  You are comparing North Korea to a primitive country such as Afghanistan.  Yes, Afghanistan is primitive... any technology they have they took from the Russians ore we put it there.  The other thing is that Afghanistan is tribal.  So their desire to be a free country isn't really there because their thought process is different... for better or worse.  

With that said, if a war were to break out... which I HIGHLY doubt, once key leadership was dead, the North would most likely concede.. much like Germany, Japan, etc... Not everyone in that country drinks the kool aid.  Also, I dont believe that there would be much of a ground war.  Most of it would be fought in the air and, honestly, the coalition would win in a matter of days.  Once we achieved communication and air superiority there would be little that N Korea could do.  

Unfortunately, regardless of how quick it would end the loss of life would be tremendous on both sides.  I personally do not believe any country should have nuclear weapons, especially that guy.  Though we should do whatever we can to find a way to defuse the situation and find a constructive resolution, if any exists.

Kim Jung is definitely an idiot

He's not the one pulling all the strings

wis3boi

^ That's because historically Asian's favor education over wealth. Fightingfan

And you need a very literate country if you want a government like NK.  If the people aren't smart enough to read or write, they can't follow your propaganda and orders.  If they aren't good at science, they can't make their desired nuclear weapons and rockets.

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He's not the one pulling all the strings

Mithrandir50

wait what?

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He's not the one pulling all the strings

CKYguy25

wait what?

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[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Where is the evidence that their humanitarian crimes are worse than Auschwitz? Like in Cuba, a large part of the humanitarian problems were a direct consequence of external sanctions. And if I had an unfriendly guy trespassing in my backyard armed with two shotguns of course I would threaten to blow the house if he were to enter even if I'm bluffing.kuraimen

I can see you know jack shit about NK then.  Let's ignore the millions killed by starvation (caused by the government) and how people are turning cannibalistic, and the fact hundreds of thousands of people are thrown into gulags for thought crimes...you don't just get sent there as the 'criminal', your entire family goes for your error, and the following 3 generations of your family go to prison as well, where you aren't fed well or at all and women are raped by the guards and have their babies aborted and imapled on the end of a bayonet while the guard dogs feast on the corpses. 

here's a nice starting place

None of what I type comes from "US propoganda" (you sound like sniper). 

The North Koreans are idiots.CursedChamp

:P

Source

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I can see you know jack shit about NK then.  Let's ignore the millions killed by starvation (caused by the government) and how people are turning cannibalistic, and the fact hundreds of thousands of people are thrown into gulags for thought crimes...you don't just get sent there as the 'criminal', your entire family goes for your error, and the following 3 generations of your family go to prison as well, where you aren't fed well or at all and women are raped by the guards and have their babies aborted and imapled on the end of a bayonet while the guard dogs feast on the corpses. 

wis3boi

here's a nice starting place

None of what I type comes from "US propoganda" (you sound like sniper). 

Also the thing about the US breaking the armistice first is true too.

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[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Again where is all the evidence of that? The US expected people to believe communists in Cuba ate babies. I'm done believing all the crap that gets spilled out of the US moronic propaganda machine unless I'm presented concrete corroborated evidence.kuraimen

here's a nice starting place

None of what I type comes from "US propoganda" (you sound like sniper). 

Also the thing about the US breaking the armistice first is true too.

There's hundreds of escapees that leave every year, all reporting the same crap.  Many of them draw pictures for interviewers, since they had no cameras, of what camp was like. Many of them were born in the camps due to the 3 generation rule

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here's a nice starting place

 

 

None of what I type comes from "US propoganda" (you sound like sniper). 

wis3boi

Also the thing about the US breaking the armistice first is true too.

There's hundreds of escapees that leave every year, all reporting the same crap. 

It is entirely possible that he is quite smart.

[QUOTE="wis3boi"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]He's not an idiot, he's paranoid. People forget all of this recent trouble started when America started flying stealth bombers over their capital and south korea started firing blanks from artillery pieces set up on the border to practice invading the north; which they do EVERY year. I dont blame them for not being too happy about it, to be honest. We all forget that Bill Clinton managed to secure a huge amount of progress with North Korea; they agreed to nuclear disarmament, trade embargos were lifted, a date was agreed to begin negotiating a peace treaty. Then you know who got elected and decided 'hurr durr axis of evil' instead.kuraimen

It's been broken just about every year for over 10 years, nothing ever becomes of it.  Do you guys think this BS from NK is new?  It isn't, it's just that this time Un is in power and doing it rapid fire because his seat is in danger.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/asia/344855/ex-n-korea-spy-says-kim-struggling-to-control-military

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="wis3boi"] We didn't fly anything over their capital. Crossing their borders would have sparked war immediately. Secondly, you're forgetting the nuclear tests they've been conducting, with success...2006, 2009, and 2013. We also have the one year anniversary of Un taking office this week, and Kim Il Sung's birthday as well on the 15th. They've been threatening war for over a year non-stop. The time for giving them food to shut up is over.wis3boi

It's been broken just about every year for over 10 years, nothing ever becomes of it.  Do you guys think this BS from NK is new?  It isn't, it's just that this time Un is in power and doing it rapid fire because his seat is in danger.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/asia/344855/ex-n-korea-spy-says-kim-struggling-to-control-military

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[QUOTE="kuraimen"] The US decided unilaterally to break the armistice deal after the Korean war. NK didn't break it until the US did it first.kuraimen

It's been broken just about every year for over 10 years, nothing ever becomes of it.  Do you guys think this BS from NK is new?  It isn't, it's just that this time Un is in power and doing it rapid fire because his seat is in danger.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/asia/344855/ex-n-korea-spy-says-kim-struggling-to-control-military

NK are the only ones threatening lakes of fire with nuclear war on a daily basis.  They've acted with their military before just to get food aid. Their humanitarian crimes make Auschwitz look like child's play. There is a reason they are treated differently. They have no need to feel threatened by anyone but themselves.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="wis3boi"]

It's been broken just about every year for over 10 years, nothing ever becomes of it.  Do you guys think this BS from NK is new?  It isn't, it's just that this time Un is in power and doing it rapid fire because his seat is in danger.

 

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/asia/344855/ex-n-korea-spy-says-kim-struggling-to-control-military

wis3boi

NK are the only ones threatening lakes of fire with nuclear war on a daily basis.  They've acted with their military before just to get food aid. Their humanitarian crimes make Auschwitz look like child's play. There is a reason they are treated differently. They have no need to feel threatened by anyone but themselves.

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[QUOTE="kuraimen"] The NK thing is not new at all. I'm myself no fan of paternalist states like NK but to pretend the US hasn't had a part in this mess is ignoring history. The US was the first one to ignore the armistice and they haven't backed down since then. It seems hypocritical to ask the other part to comply with something you yourself are not willing to follow. The western media reports are very different from what NK says too. The official stance of NK, as in what they themselves have said, claims that they won't attack anyone unless they are attacked first. Having said that it's not difficult to see how NK is bluffing to probably get better deals. Still I find it extremely hypocritical that a bunch of countries that have nuclear weapons and break treaties and agreements left and right when they please decide to put sanctions on another country so I think NK has the right to complain and to feel threatened.kuraimen

NK are the only ones threatening lakes of fire with nuclear war on a daily basis.  They've acted with their military before just to get food aid. Their humanitarian crimes make Auschwitz look like child's play. There is a reason they are treated differently. They have no need to feel threatened by anyone but themselves.

I can see you know jack shit about NK then.  Let's ignore the millions killed by starvation (caused by the government) and how people are turning cannibalistic, and the fact hundreds of thousands of people are thrown into gulags for thought crimes...you don't just get sent there as the 'criminal', your entire family goes for your error, and the following 3 generations of your family go to prison as well, where you aren't fed well or at all and women are raped by the guards and have their babies aborted and imapled on the end of a bayonet while the guard dogs feast on the corpses. 

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="wis3boi"]

NK are the only ones threatening lakes of fire with nuclear war on a daily basis.  They've acted with their military before just to get food aid. Their humanitarian crimes make Auschwitz look like child's play. There is a reason they are treated differently. They have no need to feel threatened by anyone but themselves.

wis3boi

I can see you know jack shit about NK then.  Let's ignore the millions killed by starvation (caused by the government) and how people are turning cannibalistic, and the fact hundreds of thousands of people are thrown into gulags for thought crimes...you don't just get sent there as the 'criminal', your entire family goes for your error, and the following 3 generations of your family go to prison as well, where you aren't fed well or at all and women are raped by the guards and have their babies aborted and imapled on the end of a bayonet while the guard dogs feast on the corpses. 

He's just a young man full of madness.

The red nuke button is a toy button for him. No idea the consequences it will cause.

I would say he's insane if think he has a snowball's chance in hell of winning any type of war.

I would say he's insane if think he has a snowball's chance in hell of winning any type of war.

THGarrett

He knows he can't win, but he either shows dominance to his unconvinced military peers, or he gets killed.  He sees this as the lesser option, most likely.

Cuba isn't at all comparable to NK.

I give you glorious folks, the slowest loading website on Earth and the shittiest propaganda ever

http://www.rodong.rep.kp/InterEn/index.php?strPageID=SF01_02_01&newsID=2013-04-09-0026&chAction=T

I give you glorious folks, the slowest loading website on Earth and the shittiest propaganda ever

 

http://www.rodong.rep.kp/InterEn/index.php?strPageID=SF01_02_01&newsID=2013-04-09-0026&chAction=T

wis3boi

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[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Where is the evidence that their humanitarian crimes are worse than Auschwitz? Like in Cuba, a large part of the humanitarian problems were a direct consequence of external sanctions. And if I had an unfriendly guy trespassing in my backyard armed with two shotguns of course I would threaten to blow the house if he were to enter even if I'm bluffing.kuraimen

I can see you know jack shit about NK then.  Let's ignore the millions killed by starvation (caused by the government) and how people are turning cannibalistic, and the fact hundreds of thousands of people are thrown into gulags for thought crimes...you don't just get sent there as the 'criminal', your entire family goes for your error, and the following 3 generations of your family go to prison as well, where you aren't fed well or at all and women are raped by the guards and have their babies aborted and imapled on the end of a bayonet while the guard dogs feast on the corpses. 

The forgotten war may not be so forgetten after all. 

Kim Jung Un and the North Korean leadership are well aware that a war would result in their regime toppling, that is not their goal.

_BlueDuck_

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="wis3boi"]

I can see you know jack shit about NK then.  Let's ignore the millions killed by starvation (caused by the government) and how people are turning cannibalistic, and the fact hundreds of thousands of people are thrown into gulags for thought crimes...you don't just get sent there as the 'criminal', your entire family goes for your error, and the following 3 generations of your family go to prison as well, where you aren't fed well or at all and women are raped by the guards and have their babies aborted and imapled on the end of a bayonet while the guard dogs feast on the corpses. 

DevilishStyles

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[QUOTE="kuraimen"] OK thank you I haven't read that book. At least is some type of evidence even if it's only from one guy. The things you describe seem too over the top to be true though I'll give them the benefit of the doubt if they come from a testimony from someone there. Still the thing I said about the babies is true not a conspiracy theory the US has used all sorts of absurd propaganda in the past, there's no reason to believe they wouldn't be using it now.

 

Also the thing about the US breaking the armistice first is true too.

kuraimen

There's hundreds of escapees that leave every year, all reporting the same crap. 

Here's the explanation:

It's like how everyone is mad at bashar al assad in syria, but there's a good chance he's dead.  It's the generals that call the shots, he's just a puppet.