Now a 2 to 1 "preference" For Women Over Men in STEM Fields

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#1  Edited By Inferman
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A STEM field is anything in science, technology, engineering and mathematics.

We were told by feminists that the patriarchy was turning away women from the fields of science, technology, engineering, and mathematics. Sane-minded people saw this as BS, but society as a whole did not, and so it adjusted accordingly to fix this bias against women. According to this relatively new study, the result is there is now a bias against men, but it's not called a bias. It's called a preference. Girl power!

""The finding is based on a survey of nearly 900 faculty members from 371 schools across the country. In a series of experiments, evaluators were presented with profiles of fictional job candidates and asked to rank them according to who was most qualified for an assistant professorship in biology, engineering, economics and psychology. In nearly every case, the female candidates were more likely to be ranked higher, regardless of their lifestyle, area of expertise and the evaluators’ field of research. The one exception was with male economists, who showed no gender bias one way or the other."

Where's my white male privilege at!?

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/04/14/study-finds-surprisingly-that-women-are-favored-for-jobs-in-stem/

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#2 LexLas
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Well, so women will rule the earth pretty soon. Great, just great. I can already see the stripper bars no longer being women, but men dancing on poles, lol .. Not very sexy i have to say, in my view.

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So the best candidates are women, but yet if you look at STEM positions the majority are still men. Hmmmm.....

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@jimkabrhel said:

So the best candidates are women, but yet if you look at STEM positions the majority are still men. Hmmmm.....

The best candidates aren't necessarily the women. The women are being chosen over male candidates of similar qualifications at a almost 2 to 1 rate.

That is fucked up and if this effects my ability to get a job once I get my engineering degree I am going to be pissed.

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@LostProphetFLCL said:
@jimkabrhel said:

So the best candidates are women, but yet if you look at STEM positions the majority are still men. Hmmmm.....

The best candidates aren't necessarily the women. The women are being chosen over male candidates of similar qualifications at a almost 2 to 1 rate.

That is fucked up and if this effects my ability to get a job once I get my engineering degree I am going to be pissed.

Now that you mention it, all the engineers where i work are men. Interesting, a engineer woman would be hawt ! I dont' even know what her uniform would look like. I never questioned why there aren't any.

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People, what are you doing to yourselves, I fear for you.

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To be clear, the positions the fictitious candidates are filling are teaching position in academia. Researches have shown that people tend to listen to a female voice better than a male one (which is why most operating systems have a female voice for default). K-12 education teachers are overwhelming female.

This research not really indicative of equal sex hiring in the tech and science fields. And you know what they say about "those who can't do"...

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Patriarchy! See in the secret volcano lair soon boys.

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I don't see why it would upset anyone???Good for the ladies. :)

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@brimmul777 said:

I don't see why it would upset anyone???Good for the ladies. :)

Unless you are a male looking at a career in science and tech industry...

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Quite a few excerpts caught my attention in the article and as such, let me go over them cursorily for you:

"Is science finally becoming friendlier to women?"

What does that even mean? How preposterous it is that science has to pander to liberal twaddle and the democratic defect of casting a kind of equality on equals and unequals alike.

"men actually favored women who took extended maternity leave over those who went right back to work at a ratio of 2-to-1 (women slightly preferred female candidates who didn’t take extended leave)"

In other words, women continue to be backstabbing bitches to one another. (Relax, that was just a humorous segment.)

"This is the latest in a series of studies by the Cornell researchers, many of which have concluded that the scarcity of female faculty in science departments (about 20 percent in most fields) can’t be blamed on innate sexism."

No shit. I didn't need a series of studies to tell me that. Since time immemorial, sciences have been dominated by men. Unless one opts for the ridiculous claim that women have been oppressed for all of history (except for the past couple of decades of western democracies and liberal prevalence), I can't see why we needed studies to state the obvious to us.

"In a study published in the journal Psychological Science in the Public Interest, they found that young and mid-career women are more likely to receive job offers than male candidates, are paid roughly the same amount, are granted tenure and promoted at the same rate (except in economics), remain in their fields for the same amount of time, and are about as satisfied with their jobs"

Hopefully we can finally retire the claim of women's victimization.

"he study attributes the lack of female scientists to early educational choices — like opting not to take Advanced Placement calculus and physics in high school or choosing not to declare a math-intensive major in college — rather than discrimination later on."

And that's society's fault how? What this lengthy statement tells you is that there is a scarcity of female scientists because women don't choose scientific majors - what a shocker that must shake society's moral fabric to its core.

Joan C. Williams (no relation to Wendy), a distinguished professor at the University of California’s Hastings College of Law and co-principal investigator for the Tools for Change project, which tries to level the playing field for women in STEM, told Inside Higher Ed that the Cornell study is “seriously flawed” in its conclusion that science is now a welcoming place for women.

That's a euphemism for "**** science when it doesn't fit my worldviews", which is par for the course for some liberal cretins who somehow came to believe they hold a monopoly on science when reality is far from it.

“I think it’s too soon to say, ‘Okay, problem solved,’” Virginia Valian, who researches gender equity at New York’s Hunter College, told Science Magazine. “We haven’t solved the problem of underrepresentation of women in the sciences"

Why should we solve that problem in the first place? Who said it's a problem? If women don't feel like specializing in STEM fields, or if they simply lack the penchant for it, then what purpose does it serve to bloat the sciences with people who either don't want to be there or don't have the talent for it?

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Just say you're a woman on your resume.

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#14  Edited By horgen
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Can't they just decide who to hire based on qualifications and experience?

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@thegerg said:

@brimmul777:

One may be upset because one group may be receiving undue preferential treatment over another.

I still don't understand why people would be pissed,men have had all the privilege's over 1000's of years.Woman have a couple of good breaks and some men are shitting their pants now.I still don't see a problem with women becoming the majority on some career opportunity's.People would not say much if it was men the majority of such jobs.Why take such a hairy over women doing the same???

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We will never see an in depth scientific study looking into why there isn't an even gender spread in truck drivers. Correct me if I'm wrong but, the profession seems to be vastly dominated by men. These people who are concerned about gender disparity in professions only seem to study jobs that they deem to be important.

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@bmanva said:

To be clear, the positions the fictitious candidates are filling are teaching position in academia. Researches have shown that people tend to listen to a female voice better than a male one (which is why most operating systems have a female voice for default). K-12 education teachers are overwhelming female.

This research not really indicative of equal sex hiring in the tech and science fields. And you know what they say about "those who can't do"...

They're tenure track assistant professorships in STEM fields, it's more likely universities care about their research and previous work over their teaching ability

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@GazaAli: Is there any liberal-fetishist on GS? Don't want your rant to go to waste, seriously.

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Am pretty sure this study was ripped apart due to massive flaws in the data set - it assumed hypothetical applicants to hypothetical jobs with only a 34% return rate on their questionnaires. They also used 'stories' about candidates where they mixed up the he/she parts and asked people if they would hire them - this is not how you would hire for STEM let alone any other type of job.

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@LexLas: Interesting. There are about as many female engineers as there are male where I work.

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@DJ419 said:

We will never see an in depth scientific study looking into why there isn't an even gender spread in truck drivers. Correct me if I'm wrong but, the profession seems to be vastly dominated by men. These people who are concerned about gender disparity in professions only seem to study jobs that they deem to be important.

This point single-handedly obliterates any argument feminists try to make regarding phantom problems such as gender bias in the work market.

Apparently only high paying jobs are worth bitching about.

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@lostrib said:
@bmanva said:

To be clear, the positions the fictitious candidates are filling are teaching position in academia. Researches have shown that people tend to listen to a female voice better than a male one (which is why most operating systems have a female voice for default). K-12 education teachers are overwhelming female.

This research not really indicative of equal sex hiring in the tech and science fields. And you know what they say about "those who can't do"...

They're tenure track assistant professorships in STEM fields, it's more likely universities care about their research and previous work over their teaching ability

I don't know about tenure professors, but the name seems to imply that they are there to mentor and teach rather than perform the work themselves.

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@GazaAli said:

Quite a few excerpts caught my attention in the article and as such, let me go over them cursorily for you:

"Is science finally becoming friendlier to women?"

What does that even mean? How preposterous it is that science has to pander to liberal twaddle and the democratic defect of casting a kind of equality on equals and unequals alike.

"men actually favored women who took extended maternity leave over those who went right back to work at a ratio of 2-to-1 (women slightly preferred female candidates who didn’t take extended leave)"

In other words, women continue to be backstabbing bitches to one another. (Relax, that was just a humorous segment.)

"This is the latest in a series of studies by the Cornell researchers, many of which have concluded that the scarcity of female faculty in science departments (about 20 percent in most fields) can’t be blamed on innate sexism."

No shit. I didn't need a series of studies to tell me that. Since time immemorial, sciences have been dominated by men. Unless one opts for the ridiculous claim that women have been oppressed for all of history (except for the past couple of decades of western democracies and liberal prevalence), I can't see why we needed studies to state the obvious to us.

"In a study published in the journal Psychological Science in the Public Interest, they found that young and mid-career women are more likely to receive job offers than male candidates, are paid roughly the same amount, are granted tenure and promoted at the same rate (except in economics), remain in their fields for the same amount of time, and are about as satisfied with their jobs"

Hopefully we can finally retire the claim of women's victimization.

"he study attributes the lack of female scientists to early educational choices — like opting not to take Advanced Placement calculus and physics in high school or choosing not to declare a math-intensive major in college — rather than discrimination later on."

And that's society's fault how? What this lengthy statement tells you is that there is a scarcity of female scientists because women don't choose scientific majors - what a shocker that must shake society's moral fabric to its core.

Joan C. Williams (no relation to Wendy), a distinguished professor at the University of California’s Hastings College of Law and co-principal investigator for the Tools for Change project, which tries to level the playing field for women in STEM, told Inside Higher Ed that the Cornell study is “seriously flawed” in its conclusion that science is now a welcoming place for women.

That's a euphemism for "**** science when it doesn't fit my worldviews", which is par for the course for some liberal cretins who somehow came to believe they hold a monopoly on science when reality is far from it.

“I think it’s too soon to say, ‘Okay, problem solved,’” Virginia Valian, who researches gender equity at New York’s Hunter College, told Science Magazine. “We haven’t solved the problem of underrepresentation of women in the sciences"

Why should we solve that problem in the first place? Who said it's a problem? If women don't feel like specializing in STEM fields, or if they simply lack the penchant for it, then what purpose does it serve to bloat the sciences with people who either don't want to be there or don't have the talent for it?

/rant

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No surprise here. Women are paid less. It makes sense for the free market to decide this. Cheaper labor.