Nowadays it seems it's not worth trying to make good money

Do you guys feels it's not worth it to try to make good money nowadays?

I feel this world was made for people who don't make much money. I can get by pretty easily just on 20 dollars here and there. I enjoy all the movies, video games, and books I want. To me, that's all you need as far as material things go. You don't need to make much money to enjoy that. It's not like the rich have a secret stash of movies, video games, and books only they can read. They'd make the world come to a halt if they wanted some secret exclusive stuff that was any good.

Pretty much what I'm saying is that most of the good things in life that bring happiness is cheap and made for anybody on earth to enjoy. Makes it hard to justify trying in life to get ahead when you already are living in heaven. While people are working 80 plus hours a week to make good money, I'm just laying around enjoying all the stuff I enjoy. It's because of the working people, that I can be lazy and enjoy all the stuff I enjoy. While they have their family and barely get to get immersed in the experience, I stay full immersed in my experience. It get's harder each day to justify being a normal working family man, when I never want to get out of this experience I love. Maybe in the future I'll change but for now, I'll enjoy the heaven lifestyle.

How do you justify working hard to make good money?

Yes and no

The amount of work required to make the kind of money one needs to buy a house and support a family is unreasonable, and far more than it has been.

But yes, because if you're single "good" money comes a little easier lol.

The gap is definitely widening, and upper middle-class and higher standards are quickly getting out of reach for most people. This is coming from a Californian though, so take it with a grain of salt. I rent, but if I lived in pretty much 75% of the other states I'd be a homeowner by now. Probably.

Consume. Obey. Consume. Obey.

I don't settle for less. I take what's mine.

say that when you need money

lot of people though have enough money they're just not smart or frugal with it, consumerism does kind of leave a shallow hole in us, though at the same time many people struggle just to meet the basic needs for them or their families

http://www.bloomberg.com/features/2015-martin-shkreli-wu-tang-clan-album/

:-P

Who needs to work hard to make good money? Vote for me - H.

Me. I worked a part time job once. It felt like once I got home, one minute later I had to go to work the next day. I prefer sleeping off and on whenever I want, enhancing my view of reality. It makes for some really vivid dreams.

If you're single and poor you can get buy with a bit a frugality. Quite nicely in some cases. But throw kids into the mix and everything changes.

That's what has always confused me about republicans: they claim to be family-oriented but go all-out to devalue labor, making it essentially impossible for many people to raise a family without some form of assistance.

People say "get educated, get a better job", but don't realize the same number of low-paying jobs will be available, and filled, with other people.

The job market doesn't quite follow the supply-and-demand rules like most people think. Look at the need for coroners, for instance. It's hard to fill those spots because it's more profitable to be a GP. Free Market would state that the wages for coroners should increase, but it hasn't.

With the death of unions, workers have very little power at the negotiation table.

Sigh.... This is what bothers me the most about the party right now. To elaborate why: This wasn't always the case.

The people the party point to economically (think Hayek and Friedman) actually understood and acknowledged that SOMETHING had to be in place for balance in various situations, they just disagreed on the mechanism and degree. For example, some advocated for things like a guaranteed basic income in place of a minimum wage because they believed it caused fewer distortions, or they believed that government programs should focus on improved access to education or home sale subsidies/travel expenses to increase mobility rather than things like SNAP. Nowadays the party just argues that government programs and regulations are all bad so nothing of that should be in place. Top it off with actively opposing collective bargaining, and there's nothing there for wages/workers to grab onto in a global economy/increasingly automated economy and people just flat out get left behind.

In short, the party used to have at least some academic grounding in it's economic proposals and policies, but it has increasingly left behind anything of the sort. Even more irritating is that fact that we are witnessing significant empirical evidence of the failures of that ideology, yet that too gets waved away and unacknowledged.

Ha, that's the cold truth and I do find myself muttering the same words sometimes.

Jesus OP, all these depressive threads. Get some clonazepam, seriously.........

I am not sure where you live where that you can get by easily with not much money. Here people have to work multiple jobs to make enough to just pay rent or mortgages and cannot even think about saving money and cannot even afford to go to the doctor because even when they have insurance they cannot afford the copay, tests or medicines needed. Many here instead worry about becoming homeless working multiple jobs and pick which bills they will pay each month because they do not earn enough money to pay their water, electric, sanitation, or Internet bills every month so they pick which ones they have to pay to keep it from being shut off each month and are always behind. I am confused by this idea the world was designed for the poor.. If that were true we would not have people living in tents right now.

Of course it is good to be able to earn good money, if you can do so if at all possible.

What is yours?

It's not difficult to go from a Middle Class upbringing to making >$100,000 a year.

I did, and I'm nothing special.

It is worth it to try and increase your income. You have a [very] young man's perspective. Think about the future. You need savings because:

1. You may(read: will) get laid off at some point in your life and you will still need money.

2. You need to accrue wealth to own things of value...not just stuff for fun. I like videogames and movies as much as the next guy but you must have a few things of value when shyte hits the fan in life. And it will hit the fan at least once in every person's life. When it does you will want to have property, investments, and assets on hand to weather the storm.

3. Think about your legacy. This normally means your kids. You do want them to have a better life right, or at least the opportunity for a better life than your own. Well if the world is competitive now imagine it in another 15-20 years. You need to work to assure your legacy has all of the advantages they can muster. Be that financial, educational, professional, or otherwise.

This is to say nothing of helping the less fortunate or public works.

Is this a troll post?

Can you get happiness out of no money, sure but if you ask anyone and they answer truthful, they will all say that of course they would rather be rich and also happy.

So it´s easy to justify making good money, after all money makes the world go around.

What do you mean devalue labor?

I shared your opinion to a degree when I was in my late teens and early twenties. I was quite happy just to socialise with friends in a park, cinema, shopping centre, pick up the odd video game or C.D i was mostly seeking to have sex, drink alcohol. Ultimately I had my mums house to go back to every night.

Now im 27. I have a property and a small mortgage to pay, I have children, so now I need a bigger property and a bigger mortgage as a result. Children can be expensive, so can the cost of living. Ironically my pleasures are more or less the same as they were in my teens and early twenties but now im paying my own way and making sure my spawn doesnt die. So yes there is an incentive to earn good money, BUT im far more concerned in getting the work life balance right and spend an appropriate amount of time at home with my family.

i'm assuming you are fairly young. teens/early 20's at most...

money buys security and freedom. my guess is those things are being supplied to by someone else currently? i know the couch in the basement is comfy and all, but it will not last forever :P

@always_explicit: +1 any other viewpoint on this particular issue is either trolling or an opinion of someone very young.

One example among many.

@br0kenrabbit that article is illuminating. Don't know how much of it is political spin but if you think about it...it lines up with the Rep. philosophy.

This is a prime example of why the argument against a minimum wage increase exist.

I work hard because I want to live in a safe(r) neighborhood and I want my future children to be able to attend a College without fear of being drowned in debt after they get out.

I very much feel it's worth making good money.

Are you freakin' kidding me? Because I earn a decent salary, I

• Own a home
• own a car that can take me where ever I want to go
• Can indulge in my hobbies
• Will/should have saved enough for retirement to stop working in my late 50s or early 60s
• Can afford health/dental care
• Can afford to travel

The only debt I have is on my mortgage, which I'm 3 years into a 15 year, and I've already got around $60k in equity.

Posts like these make me think you're trying to justify being a leech/loser. How do your parents feel about clothing, feeding, and housing a "child" who's damned near 30? I, personally, don't know anybody that works 80 weeks outside of workaholics or people that work two jobs to get by.

Instead we should vote for the guy that, had he simply invested his millions in inheritance in an S&P 500 mutual fund, would have been better off financially?

@slipknot0129: Sounds to me like you're one bad thing away from being homeless. I can only guess you live with your mom or dad or both. But once they pass and can't take care of you that's when your heaven is going to end, especially if you have little to no inheritance.

Basically it sounds like you have a very thin line of security for your lifestyle, but that is why people work. So they can live the lifestyle they want with some security.

That episode was funny because it made a lot of people who are against raising the minimum wage really angry because the same arguments were used against a policy that benefited them.

I don't know, I'm just enjoying my time on earth without any responsibilities. I'm gonna ride it out till I die lol.

That's actually a very middle class income. It's not even considered "good money" where I live. Nothing wrong with that though, money certainly isn't everything. Rent does need to get paid however and I'm not sure how that works for the op.

Yeah, I don't think it's worth all the hard work to have my own house and stuff. I wouldn't be happy if I had my own house and lived on my own. I'd rather not leave my heaven lifestyle. Earth is heaven anyways. You don't have to work or have much money to experience heaven on earth. My parents are fine with it, they never expected me to move out anyways. Life, it is what it is. It's weird how life works out. I'm living that heaven lifestyle though, only doing something if I have a strong desire to do it. It's awesome not having to wake up for anybody except myself.

My legacy will be living a fast life. Knowing it's not worth the effort to make good money. I won't ever have to worry about kids though. I feel like I was born rich, in the spiritual sense.

good luck with that.

it would suck for you to wake up in 10 years and be like "shit. wtf did i do with my life?"

I don't think that will happen. I don't get depressed over not having a good career and a family. To me, the benefits of living the heaven lifestyle beats out all else. I'd rather enjoy every day than be tired from work all the time.

Well, every career I love either does not pay very well or it costs me an arm and a leg to be able to study it.

So yeah, not worth it.

Yeah, it's just not worth the effort. I'm not livin life, I'm livin "the life".

OP needs to grow the **** up.

My last point would be to consider retirement. You will be livin "the life" as a Wal Mart greeter at 65 if you don't have a retirement saved. Nothing wrong with those guys at Wal mart if that's what you want. But I prefer to be retired and chillin out on cruises when I'm an old man.

What about, you know, food? Or do you eat your books? You certainly haven't been reading much, it seems.

OP don't listen to the regressives in OT, do whatever the hell you want. I feel many in this thread are just jealous. Have your experience and if years from now you find yourself having to deal with financial ruin then you deal with that too when it comes, or not. Just go with the flow.

I hope you have siblings otherwise you're likely to wake up one morning when you're in your 60s and realize you're going to die alone. What are you going to do when your parents pass and you don't have anyone to mooch off of? Do you not feel any shame in being an undue financial burden to them? Frankly, I feel pride in my professional and financial accomplishments. I would feel like an enormous POS if I weren't self sufficient.

so the "heaven lifestyle" to you is sitting around watching movies and playing videogames?

Yeah I'm just going with the flow. I know how easy it is for many people to convince themselves it's worth all the hard work. For me it isn't. People just get jealous because they have cars, homes, and girlfriends to maintain, while being a slave to money. Lose a job, they will lose a girlfriend. Me, I'm just happy enjoying my life while doing nothing. I just enjoy the things in life that come at a cheap cost, like movies, games, and books. Also hanging with friends who don't care if I'm broke. If I do bad in life, I'll always have myself though. Your mind is the greatest asset, my mind feels very intelligent and I that makes me very satisfied with very little, as far as money goes. Theres so many factors that determine why we do stuff. My main factor is my intelligence, it allows me to have the heaven experience. I know the brain is pretty complex, I just think I won the lottery in terms of state of mind and intelligence. We all have areas we do well in though.

Isn't $100k in the middle class bracket anyway?

Do you mean not working at all? Unless you live with your parents, that's hard to get away with. I get what you mean though, if your single and make at least $15-$20 an hour, you'll only need to work 40hrs a week to survive while also enjoying your hobbies.

Nothin wrong with no ambition, nothin wrong with being chill.

People have the right to do whatever they wan't as long as they aren't hurting anybody or breaking the law.

No need to justify your life by being a douche, the OP didn't.

Yeah I live with my parents. I'm free to just do nothing but if I want, I can help my dad at home. That's always my backup plan, to take over the business of my dad's. If I ever went that route, I can probably make 20k in one day if I worked hard enough and went to the right show. It takes an hour or two to make a $300 item to sell. I could choose to work as little or as much as I want. To me, that would be the heaven lifestyle too. Making enough money for the year then only working if you want some extra money.

I honestly think that if you save money, work hard, and spend wisely - you can amass a lot in a short amount of time. It also helps to join forces with like-minded individuals.

He does watch them in the presence of God, though.

Yeah I'll try to work a lot today and save some. Girls and friends always make me waste my money though.