Obama calls for Draft & Internal Militia

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#1 zellus104
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"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/07/another_inconvenient_truth_dow_1.html

Then at 13:00 at the youtube meter mark, he goes on to say how his main goal as president will be to form the above-mentioned militia.

What does he mean?

Well, first he wants to increase the defense, but he wants citizens to also meet the demands of service, here and abroad. He says the school teacher is just as important as the peace-corp worker in Africa. That should tell you where we're going with this.

National Defense Increases:
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65,000 soldiers
20,000 marines

Americorp
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250,000 people

Then he has sub-divisions called Energycorp, Veterancorp but he doesn't say the estimated numbers he wants to "serve" in those... use your imagination, but he says that "people of all ages, stations and service will be asked to serve".

For school kids, he wants a program for them, too, including college kids. He says asking 2 hours a week of whatever he wants you to do is "not a lot". He does mention helping to build housing.

You won't be asked to put yourself in a life-threatening danger (war), unless "it's absolutely necessary", but you will be required to sign up (draft) and do your service time.

I'm not sure I'm liking where this is going.

/discuss

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#2 CruxisXIII
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That will never happen, not in this country. We are at a point where there is so little faith in our government that instituting a draft would be chaos for this country.
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#3 Magna_Man109
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Aren't you required to sign up anyways when your 18?
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#4 NYiVtec
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havent watched the video yet but from what i read in your post it wont pass
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#5 NYiVtec
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Aren't you required to sign up anyways when your 18? Magna_Man109

yes, yes you are

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Jesus Camp stands ready to contribute an entire regiment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RNfL6IVWCE

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[QUOTE="Magna_Man109"]Aren't you required to sign up anyways when your 18? NYiVtec

yes, yes you are

This is true, i don't know where the tc is going with this.

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If he does that i'll go buy a machine gun and get ready for the civil war
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[QUOTE="NYiVtec"]

[QUOTE="Magna_Man109"]Aren't you required to sign up anyways when your 18? jazznate

yes, yes you are

This is true, i don't know where the tc is going with this.

Neither do i, i cant help but to think this is a biased thread towards Obama
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#10 NYiVtec
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the video also happens to be from july 2. just saying
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[QUOTE="jazznate"][QUOTE="NYiVtec"]

[QUOTE="Magna_Man109"]Aren't you required to sign up anyways when your 18? mexicangordo

yes, yes you are

This is true, i don't know where the tc is going with this.

Neither do i, i cant help but to think this is a biased thread towards Obama

This is the best night I've had in OT for a long time, and that may have just topped it off.

Seriously, Obama sounds like he's going for world domination.

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I dont quite understand what Sen. Obama is saying? He wants to downsize our military and get rid of nukes but now he wants civilians to defend the country if something happened to it. Isn't that what a military for??
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#13 zellus104
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[QUOTE="NYiVtec"]

[QUOTE="Magna_Man109"]Aren't you required to sign up anyways when your 18? jazznate

yes, yes you are

This is true, i don't know where the tc is going with this.

it isnt just a military draft, he wants everyone to serve the country in all kinds of aspects. It requires you to do all kinds of services for the country.

basically, he wants to tell you what to do.

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I dont quite understand what Sen. Obama is saying? He wants to downsize our military and get rid of nukes but now he wants civilians to defend the country if something happened to it. Isn't that what a military for??honkyjoe
Yes.
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This country is really going downhill. Thats pretty socialist. He is so far left that people think he is communist. A good friend of his apparently is according to the book The Obama Nation. Pretty scary read there
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[QUOTE="honkyjoe"]I dont quite understand what Sen. Obama is saying? He wants to downsize our military and get rid of nukes but now he wants civilians to defend the country if something happened to it. Isn't that what a military for??blackngold29
Yes.

Well if Obama's idea of "Internal Militia" means a bunch of rednecks toting shotguns then im moving to Canada:|

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This country is really going downhill. Thats pretty socialist. He is so far left that people think he is communist. A good friend of his apparently is according to the book The Obama Nation. Pretty scary read therestupiddk

I don't consider that socialist. It's very authoritarian, and is a lot closer to fascism than socialism.

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If he does that i'll go buy a machine gun and get ready for the civil warmysticchampion

I call General.
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That is such an absolute perversion of what he was saying. He was encouraging people to join the military so that they can increase their numbers and releave the strain on the military as it is.

How can you hear that and then conclude that he wants to draft people into mandatory service is beyond me.

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#20 jazznate
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I think this is Obama's version of "Don't ask what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country."
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[QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="honkyjoe"]I dont quite understand what Sen. Obama is saying? He wants to downsize our military and get rid of nukes but now he wants civilians to defend the country if something happened to it. Isn't that what a military for??honkyjoe

Yes.

Well if Obama's idea of "Internal Militia" means a bunch of rednecks toting shotguns then im moving to Canada:|

cheaper than our current military :D

Actually I really don't understand what he wants either, if this is true, I'll wait for a better source to sum it up.

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That whole speech is a big pile of get to the freakin point.....he's a socialist dictator with a 3rd world mentality.
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And this is why I wont vote

Vote for McCain, well, more war

Vote for Obama, we get a militia and some other things that seem like risky gambles.

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Seriously... did anyone watch his speech? He doesnt say a damn thing about a draft or compulsary service. This is such a typical effort to bash Obama, where people have to literally make stuff up to have a leg to stand on.

He talks about expanding the number of people in service to relieve strain on the military. He wants more soldiers, more marines, and more people taking part in service at home. Everything he says is encouraging people to love their country and do their part. He literally says nothing at all about building a militia, civilian military, conscription or drafting.

Shame on the people who make this stuff up.

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well to hell with that. im voting mc cain
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Seriously... did anyone watch his speech? He doesnt say a damn thing about a draft or compulsary service. This is such a typical effort to bash Obama, where people have to literally make stuff up to have a leg to stand on.

He talks about expanding the number of people in service to relieve strain on the military. He wants more soldiers, more marines, and more people taking part in service at home. Everything he says is encouraging people to love their country and do their part. He literally says nothing at all about building a militia, civilian military, conscription or drafting.

Shame on the people who make this stuff up.

Ninja-Hippo

More soldiers, more marines, compulsary service for students? More wars (but he swears he will have a good reason)? Not exactly what Obama has been sold to us by the libs. At least we know he will bring the change!

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#27 Ninja-Hippo
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a) Where did he say compulsary service for students?

b) Where did he say more wars? :|

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a) Where did he say compulsary service for students?

b) Where did he say more wars? :|

Ninja-Hippo

I'm not going through that speech again. Obama is a boring speaker. You probably never heard that one either!

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#29 Ninja-Hippo
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Nowhere in his speech did he say compulsary service for students. The whole thing was calling on people to do their part and encouraging people to take part in public service. Where you got compulsary drafting and more war from is beyond me.

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Seriously... did anyone watch his speech? He doesnt say a damn thing about a draft or compulsary service. This is such a typical effort to bash Obama, where people have to literally make stuff up to have a leg to stand on.

He talks about expanding the number of people in service to relieve strain on the military. He wants more soldiers, more marines, and more people taking part in service at home. Everything he says is encouraging people to love their country and do their part. He literally says nothing at all about building a militia, civilian military, conscription or drafting.

Shame on the people who make this stuff up.

Ninja-Hippo

thank you

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Jesus Camp stands ready to contribute an entire regiment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RNfL6IVWCE

Stesilaus

This scares me so much...

I may need to start a 'Reality Camp' to counter the crazy!! 0.o

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Seriously... did anyone watch his speech? He doesnt say a damn thing about a draft or compulsary service. This is such a typical effort to bash Obama, where people have to literally make stuff up to have a leg to stand on.

He talks about expanding the number of people in service to relieve strain on the military. He wants more soldiers, more marines, and more people taking part in service at home. Everything he says is encouraging people to love their country and do their part. He literally says nothing at all about building a militia, civilian military, conscription or drafting.

Shame on the people who make this stuff up.

Ninja-Hippo

I agree.

All that speech was an act of basically encouraging the citizens to do help do their part in helping the country. He's pretty positive in this aspect. I expect big things from this guy.