Obama has a nice pair or two of flip-flops(A liberal Must see!)

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#1 Spicy-McHaggis
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Here's a video that I think you all should see, it's pretty spot-on I'd say, enjoy it.

His 'Flip-Flops', aka "Whoopsies"

Thoughts? I was wow'd at how flippity floppity floppahlollip it was :P

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But but but he's the messiah!
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I really don't care. The guy changes his mind, he is human after all.
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#4 Spicy-McHaggis
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I really don't care. The guy changes his mind, he is human after all.solid_mario
He's *the president* Those aren't just little things, those are political situations that could possibly decide the further development of a country -_-
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Get a real liberal and then we'll talk America.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c ...
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Go find me a politican who never flip-flop's on issues.Then we can sit down and you can tell me all about how much you dislike Obama.

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#8 Maniacc1
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A must see? That video describes 3/4 of Washington. :?
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#9 wslacker2
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I really don't care. The guy changes his mind, he is human after all.solid_mario
I think the President should be held to a higher set of values than just another human. And, although that video is politically charged, it somewhat shows his wishy washiness on some major issues: gun contral, our role in the Middle East, etc. etc.
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Go find me a politican who never flip-flop's on issues.Then we can sit down and you can tell me all about how much you dislike Obama.

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There is a flip flop, then there is a bucket full of them. And they are pretty drastic flip-flop's to say the least.
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No, not spot-on. Some of those were cheap :P A few were taken out of context and a few of the short ones weren't completely contradictory either. AND you're allowed to change your mind if you come across new facts, comparing statements from 2007 with statements from late 2008 is not completely fair. But yeah, he's far from perfect.
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So TC, do you want to tell me that you never change your opinion?
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[QUOTE="solid_mario"]I really don't care. The guy changes his mind, he is human after all.wslacker2
I think the President should be held to a higher set of values than just another human. And, although that video is politically charged, it somewhat shows his wishy washiness on some major issues: gun contral, our role in the Middle East, etc. etc.

Exactly (about the higher standard) I think FN posted a big topic about how he has such a loose history, and how politicians aren't being held to a higher standard. Pretty good for a foreigner, but I bet he's a total liberal in life. And those aren't just issues, they are Major Issues(they even get capitalized), and I think you should pay a little more attention to what you are voting for. Because really, he is jumping to exact opposites, not a different stance on an issue, but an opposite.
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Would you rather have McCain in office? I know I wouldn't.

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No, not spot-on. Some of those were cheap :P A few were taken out of context and a few of the short ones weren't completely contradictory either. AND you're allowed to change your mind if you come across new facts, comparing statements from 2007 with statements from late 2008 is not completely fair. But yeah, he's far from perfect.Hungry_bunny
So TC, do you want to tell me that you never change your opinion?Famiking
As I've said before, it just shows that people are mindlessly voting for him, because he is changing his stances on major issues within a year. He should be held to a higher standard, and after this, what the hell is he actually going to do? He seems to not have his mind made up on his administrative agenda.
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As John Maynard Keyes once said, "When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?".
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Would you rather have McCain in office? I know I wouldn't.

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Compared to Obama, yes. I feel alot safer knowing that he put his welfare on the line (not the kind that the lazy ones get in the mail) for his country, and his fellow man. He easily could of been killed in Vietnam, and he would of been aware of that while he was signing up to join the Navy. Then again, I would of loved to have any of the GOP nominee's in, compared to Obama.
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If those situations arise he will pick what he believes - quite simple. There is no wrong in politics.
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#19 Eddie5vs1
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Honestly, I'd rather have a president that flip-flops than a president who still goes forward when all the evidence shows him to be wrong. IMO, flip-flopping can be for political reasons or becuase the person came into further information.
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As John Maynard Keyes once said, "When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?".-Sun_Tzu-
Please refer yourself to every other post I have posted. Higher standards, lads and lasses, why isnt' he being held to them?
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Would you rather have McCain in office? I know I wouldn't.

T_P_O
What, taking away Veteran's benefits doesn't sound like a good plan to you? Obama >McCain, but the argument is pointless now.
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Would you rather have McCain in office? I know I wouldn't.

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I'm pretty sure the country would've already been at war with North Korea and Iran y now.
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[QUOTE="T_P_O"]

Would you rather have McCain in office? I know I wouldn't.

Spicy-McHaggis
Compared to Obama, yes. I feel alot safer knowing that he put his welfare on the line (not the kind that the lazy ones get in the mail) for his country, and his fellow man. He easily could of been killed in Vietnam, and he would of been aware of that while he was signing up to join the Navy. Then again, I would of loved to have any of the GOP nominee's in, compared to Obama.

People also die from car accidents.
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]As John Maynard Keyes once said, "When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?".Spicy-McHaggis
Please refer yourself to every other post I have posted. Higher standards, lads and lasses, why isnt' he being held to them?

High standards or unrealistic ones?
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If those situations arise he will pick what he believes - quite simple. There is no wrong in politics.Famiking

Yes, yes there is no wrong I suppose. Hell, let's slaughter women and children so we don't have to take care of them. Let's make it a political bill.

That's extreme, but it's definately not wrong according to you, correct?f

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From the very first example i knew that video was nonsense. You can cut out one-liners from any speech and try to make someone contradict themselves. It's funny on the daily show, but silly when you try to make it a proper argument.
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]As John Maynard Keyes once said, "When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?".Spicy-McHaggis
Please refer yourself to every other post I have posted. Higher standards, lads and lasses, why isnt' he being held to them?

So you are saying that you would rather have him cling on to misguided policies that have been proven to be ineffective? Hmm, another administration - the name slips my mind at the moment - used to do that...Where did that get us exactly?

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[QUOTE="DarkPrinceXC"][QUOTE="Spicy-McHaggis"][QUOTE="T_P_O"]

Would you rather have McCain in office? I know I wouldn't.

Compared to Obama, yes. I feel alot safer knowing that he put his welfare on the line (not the kind that the lazy ones get in the mail) for his country, and his fellow man. He easily could of been killed in Vietnam, and he would of been aware of that while he was signing up to join the Navy. Then again, I would of loved to have any of the GOP nominee's in, compared to Obama.

People also die from car accidents.

War and care accidents tend not to categorize themselves together ;)
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[QUOTE="T_P_O"]

Would you rather have McCain in office? I know I wouldn't.

Spicy-McHaggis
Compared to Obama, yes. I feel alot safer knowing that he put his welfare on the line (not the kind that the lazy ones get in the mail) for his country, and his fellow man. He easily could of been killed in Vietnam, and he would of been aware of that while he was signing up to join the Navy. Then again, I would of loved to have any of the GOP nominee's in, compared to Obama.

And that alone makes him a suitable politician? I somehow doubt that would suffice to holding the highest office in the land.
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Where are the Flip Flops? I only see a video of him. :evil:
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[QUOTE="Spicy-McHaggis"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]As John Maynard Keyes once said, "When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?".-Sun_Tzu-
Please refer yourself to every other post I have posted. Higher standards, lads and lasses, why isnt' he being held to them?

So you are saying that you rather have him cling on to misguided policies that have been proven to be ineffective? Hmm, another administration - the name slips my mind at the moment - used to do that...Where did that get us exactly?

The fact of the matter is, you voted for someone who changes their mind. A thoughtful voted tends to vote for the person behind their ideals, not for them as a person, but for what their political agenda is. I'm just showing everyone how mindless they are.
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he changed his mind over time ... OH NO! would you rather someone who never changes and is stubborn?
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[QUOTE="tomo90"]

Go find me a politican who never flip-flop's on issues.Then we can sit down and you can tell me all about how much you dislike Obama.

Spicy-McHaggis
There is a flip flop, then there is a bucket full of them. And they are pretty drastic flip-flop's to say the least.

You didn't see my link, did you?
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[QUOTE="Spicy-McHaggis"] War and care accidents tend not to categorize themselves together ;)

When will people learn to stop voting based on pointless attributes like military experience or religion? The country is in economic crisis and you would honestly have had a guy in office who doesn't know how to use a computer and admitted not knowing the slightest thing about the economy after decades in government?
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[QUOTE="T_P_O"][QUOTE="Spicy-McHaggis"][QUOTE="T_P_O"]

Would you rather have McCain in office? I know I wouldn't.

Compared to Obama, yes. I feel alot safer knowing that he put his welfare on the line (not the kind that the lazy ones get in the mail) for his country, and his fellow man. He easily could of been killed in Vietnam, and he would of been aware of that while he was signing up to join the Navy. Then again, I would of loved to have any of the GOP nominee's in, compared to Obama.

And that alone makes him a suitable politician? I somehow doubt that would suffice to holding the highest office in the land.

No, no but it makes him a helluva lot more respectable, and patriotic, and since we aren't voting for people on what they say they are going to do, I'm going to go with my statement of the previos.
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[QUOTE="Famiking"]If those situations arise he will pick what he believes - quite simple. There is no wrong in politics.Spicy-McHaggis

Yes, yes there is no wrong I suppose. Hell, let's slaughter women and children so we don't have to take care of them. Let's make it a political bill.

That's extreme, but it's definately not wrong according to you, correct?f

It's morally incorrect, not politically though. Killing all the children could reduce the amount spent on education, child benefits and maternity leave - you can justify anything politically.

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[QUOTE="DarkPrinceXC"][QUOTE="Spicy-McHaggis"] Compared to Obama, yes. I feel alot safer knowing that he put his welfare on the line (not the kind that the lazy ones get in the mail) for his country, and his fellow man. He easily could of been killed in Vietnam, and he would of been aware of that while he was signing up to join the Navy. Then again, I would of loved to have any of the GOP nominee's in, compared to Obama.Spicy-McHaggis
People also die from car accidents.

War and care accidents tend not to categorize themselves together ;)

But you're saying he could have been "easily killed". You can "easily be killed" doing pretty much anything. I don't see how that's a deciding factor when choosing a President.
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From the very first example i knew that video was nonsense. You can cut out one-liners from any speech and try to make someone contradict themselves. It's funny on the daily show, but silly when you try to make it a proper argument. Ninja-Hippo
They are pretty full, War-No War. Threat-No threat. Support Reverend-Nope he's a bad one.
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[QUOTE="nimatoad2000"]he changed his mind over time ... OH NO! would you rather someone who never changes and is stubborn?

Isn't that the definition of a conservative? No wonder the TC is being critical.
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[QUOTE="Spicy-McHaggis"][QUOTE="DarkPrinceXC"] People also die from car accidents. DarkPrinceXC
War and care accidents tend not to categorize themselves together ;)

But you're saying he could have been "easily killed". You can "easily be killed" doing pretty much anything. I don't see how that's a deciding factor when choosing a President.

So are you telling me that getting in a car is just like picking up a rifle in a warzone? I somehow seem to find that a little drastic. When I start seeing tanks, and Al-Queda, I'll remember this post and put it in my sig :P.
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[QUOTE="T_P_O"][QUOTE="Spicy-McHaggis"] Compared to Obama, yes. I feel alot safer knowing that he put his welfare on the line (not the kind that the lazy ones get in the mail) for his country, and his fellow man. He easily could of been killed in Vietnam, and he would of been aware of that while he was signing up to join the Navy. Then again, I would of loved to have any of the GOP nominee's in, compared to Obama.Spicy-McHaggis
And that alone makes him a suitable politician? I somehow doubt that would suffice to holding the highest office in the land.

No, no but it makes him a helluva lot more respectable, and patriotic, and since we aren't voting for people on what they say they are going to do, I'm going to go with my statement of the previos.

If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you're respectable?
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]From the very first example i knew that video was nonsense. You can cut out one-liners from any speech and try to make someone contradict themselves. It's funny on the daily show, but silly when you try to make it a proper argument. Spicy-McHaggis
They are pretty full, War-No War. Threat-No threat. Support Reverend-Nope he's a bad one.

Um, not really. He says tiny countries like Iran and Iraq pose no threat to America. In the next clip he says 'Iran is a threat'. That's a flip flop? Or is that just someone clipping out two one-liners to make it appear as such? In the first speech he was speaking about how fear mongering is a problem and how america shouldn't fear tiny countries in the middle east. Genuine, wholesome political debate is much better than garbage, biased youtube videos designed to make a man look bad.
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[QUOTE="Spicy-McHaggis"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]As John Maynard Keyes once said, "When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?".Famiking
Please refer yourself to every other post I have posted. Higher standards, lads and lasses, why isnt' he being held to them?

High standards or unrealistic ones?

Asking him to fly is unrealstic, as is solving world hunger. Him doing drugs and having 'not-so-awesome-' 'buddies' seems to higher, and reasonable.
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Spicy-McHaggis"] Please refer yourself to every other post I have posted. Higher standards, lads and lasses, why isnt' he being held to them?Spicy-McHaggis
So you are saying that you rather have him cling on to misguided policies that have been proven to be ineffective? Hmm, another administration - the name slips my mind at the moment - used to do that...Where did that get us exactly?

The fact of the matter is, you voted for someone who changes their mind. A thoughtful voted tends to vote for the person behind their ideals, not for them as a person, but for what their political agenda is. I'm just showing everyone how mindless they are.

A thoughtful voter tends to vote solely for what their political agenda is? Maybe a willfully ignorant voter does such a thing, but not a throughful, pragmatic one. The primary reason why I voted for Obama rather than McCain was not because of Obama's policies, (sure they played a part in it, but I knew that either way I vote I was going to get a reactionary, hawkish president) but because McCain came off as an erratic, iratable bafoom compared to Obama who comes of as rational, calm, and pragmatic, I voted for Obama rather than McCain.
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[QUOTE="Spicy-McHaggis"][QUOTE="T_P_O"] And that alone makes him a suitable politician? I somehow doubt that would suffice to holding the highest office in the land.T_P_O
No, no but it makes him a helluva lot more respectable, and patriotic, and since we aren't voting for people on what they say they are going to do, I'm going to go with my statement of the previos.

If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you're respectable?

Certainly more respectable then being in friendly contact with someone who has bombed the pentagon, or maybe someone who would damn America in a heartbeat.
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If I were feeling cheeky, I could go dig up a video I saw that was almost the exact same sort of thing with John McCain as the target, but I won't, because I recognize how silly it is to play "gotcha" by playing five-second clips and saying "BAM, flip-flop!!!"

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#48 Spicy-McHaggis
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[QUOTE="Spicy-McHaggis"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] So you are saying that you rather have him cling on to misguided policies that have been proven to be ineffective? Hmm, another administration - the name slips my mind at the moment - used to do that...Where did that get us exactly? -Sun_Tzu-
The fact of the matter is, you voted for someone who changes their mind. A thoughtful voted tends to vote for the person behind their ideals, not for them as a person, but for what their political agenda is. I'm just showing everyone how mindless they are.

A thoughtful voter tends to vote solely for what their political agenda is? Maybe a willfully ignorant voter does such a thing, but not a throughful, pragmatic one. The primary reason why I voted for Obama rather than McCain was not because of Obama's policies, (sure they played a part in it, but I knew that either way I vote I was going to get a reactionary, hawkish president) but because McCain came off as an erratic, iratable bafoom compared to Obama who comes of as rational, calm, and pragmatic, I voted for Obama rather than McCain.

His policies? Which ones? He has a few of them, and I don't know which ones he has by now.
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#49 Famiking
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[QUOTE="Spicy-McHaggis"] Asking him to fly is unrealstic, as is solving world hunger. Him doing drugs and having 'not-so-awesome-' 'buddies' seems to higher, and reasonable.

So you'd vote a government based on who his friends are? I'm starting to see how George Bush got elected twice now.
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#50 Spicy-McHaggis
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If I were feeling cheeky, I could go dig up a video I saw that was almost the exact same sort of thing with John McCain as the target, but I won't, because I recognize how silly it is to play "gotcha" by playing five-second clips and saying "BAM, flip-flop!!!"

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Who said I particularly liked Obama?