Obama is an orator, John McCain is a communicator

Obama can give a seemingly exciting speech. So, he's moreso an orator. John McCain doesn't care much for teleprompters, and is best in Town Hall meetings and debates.

Have you noticed how Obama hesitates when he speaks? He utters "euhhheuh" a lot when he begins to speak when not reading from a teleprompter. Who watched the Saddleback forum with Rick Warren? John McCain gave quick and decisive answers, Obama did not.

What you get from Obama is a lot of "nuance." Yeah, though I'm sure that that style is considered intelligent and careful...

I can't wait for the debates.

McCain's speech was ... oh wait no sorry I don't remember it because I slept through it. Most boring, unmotivating speaker I've ever heard. SimpJee

Hah, and more people watched John McCain than Obama.

[QUOTE="SimpJee"]McCain's speech was ... oh wait no sorry I don't remember it because I slept through it. Most boring, unmotivating speaker I've ever heard. MayorJohnny

Hah, and more people watched John McCain than Obama.

The debates will indeed be a shock to Obama supporters. There were times in the primaries when Edwards, Clinton, and Biden made him look like a fool.famicommander

LOL! :lol:

See, in the debates, there isn't a teleprompter.

I can see it now...

Obama: Euhhheuh... What John McCain proposes is a Bush third term!

[QUOTE="famicommander"]The debates will indeed be a shock to Obama supporters. There were times in the primaries when Edwards, Clinton, and Biden made him look like a fool.MayorJohnny

LOL! :lol:

See, in the debates, there isn't a teleprompter.

I can see it now...

Obama: Euhhheuh... What John McCain proposes is a Bush third term!

Biden can own any fool though, so are there like subs?

Obama: SUBSTITUTION! BIDEN GO!

[QUOTE="MayorJohnny"]

[QUOTE="famicommander"]The debates will indeed be a shock to Obama supporters. There were times in the primaries when Edwards, Clinton, and Biden made him look like a fool.SimpJee

LOL! :lol:

See, in the debates, there isn't a teleprompter.

I can see it now...

Obama: Euhhheuh... What John McCain proposes is a Bush third term!

Biden can own any fool though, so are there like subs?

Obama: SUBSTITUTION! BIDEN GO!

You can't just rely on someone else when you are president. If Biden is so much better, why isn't he running?

[QUOTE="SimpJee"][QUOTE="MayorJohnny"]

[QUOTE="famicommander"]The debates will indeed be a shock to Obama supporters. There were times in the primaries when Edwards, Clinton, and Biden made him look like a fool.hokies1313

LOL! :lol:

See, in the debates, there isn't a teleprompter.

I can see it now...

Obama: Euhhheuh... What John McCain proposes is a Bush third term!

Biden can own any fool though, so are there like subs?

Obama: SUBSTITUTION! BIDEN GO!

You can't just rely on someone else when you are president. If Biden is so much better, why isn't he running?

cuz he lost

You can't just rely on someone else when you are president. If Biden is so much better, why isn't he running?

hokies1313

Because the Democrats HAD to go with the guy with the pretty smile. Biden was the best Democratic candidate.

[QUOTE="famicommander"]The debates will indeed be a shock to Obama supporters. There were times in the primaries when Edwards, Clinton, and Biden made him look like a fool.MayorJohnny

LOL! :lol:

See, in the debates, there isn't a teleprompter.

I can see it now...

Obama: Euhhheuh... What John McCain proposes is a Bush third term!

McCain is a decrepit old man who is recycling Bush's policies

The VP debates would be interestingLed_poison

I cant wait for Biden to crush palin

I cant wait for Biden to crush palin

alexmurray

I aso want to see how Obama does in the debates. He is a good public speaker, and McCain a poor one, but when it comes to thinking quickly and giving quick answers, McCain may have him beat. We'll see.Cube_of_MooN

I would love to hear what the two think of the Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae buyout. Wonder if they are going to ask about it...........

[QUOTE="Led_poison"]The VP debates would be interestingalexmurray

I cant wait for Biden to crush palin

[QUOTE="alexmurray"]

I cant wait for Biden to crush palin

blushield

I hope not, I hope that people will look at her ideals

McCain- Bush economics

Palin - Bush social

Republican 08 ticket = Bush

[QUOTE="MayorJohnny"]

[QUOTE="famicommander"]The debates will indeed be a shock to Obama supporters. There were times in the primaries when Edwards, Clinton, and Biden made him look like a fool.quiglythegreat

LOL! :lol:

See, in the debates, there isn't a teleprompter.

I can see it now...

Obama: Euhhheuh... What John McCain proposes is a Bush third term!

Every time he has lacked a teleprompter, be it an impromptu speech, a forum, or a debate, Obama has been as inspiring of a speaker as John McCain is at speeches. If you look, you shall find.

[QUOTE="alexmurray"]

[QUOTE="Led_poison"]The VP debates would be interestingneogeo419

I cant wait for Biden to crush palin

I wont when the start talking about forgien policy,

but Alaska is near Russia:lol:

I like how people go "they agree with some of Bush's ideas, therefore they're bad!"

First, this makes the silly assumption that whatever Bush considers to be good, must be bad. Bush considers food to be good; is food bad?

Second, this makes the silly assumption that Bush had nothing but bad ideas. Some of Bush's ideas were really good, but were executed so terribly that there was no way they could have worked.

I like how people go "they agree with some of Bush's ideas, therefore they're bad!"

First, this makes the silly assumption that whatever Bush considers to be good, must be bad. Bush considers food to be good; is food bad?

Second, this makes the silly assumption that Bush had nothing but bad ideas. Some of Bush's ideas were really good, but were executed so terribly that there was no way they could have worked.

Theokhoth

The only good idea he had was invade Afghanistan that's it's,

cutting taxes of people who make over $250,000 a year and we are in two wars :lol:

I hope not, I hope that people will look at her ideals

alexmurray

This is America, they voted an imbecile as their president twice in a row. Show them a 77 year old war vet and a "hockey mom" and they're all set

It'll all come back to bite them in the ass though, it always does. Look at what a failure the USA has become under Good ol George from Texas

cutting taxes of people who make over $250,000 a year and we are in two wars :lol:

alexmurray

Cutting taxes for people making $250,000 a year is SOOOO much worse than raising them to the point where they pay 95% of the entire country's taxes.

[QUOTE="alexmurray"]

cutting taxes of people who make over $250,000 a year and we are in two wars :lol:

Theokhoth

Cutting taxes for people making $250,000 a year is SOOOO much worse than raising them to the point where they pay 95% of the entire country's taxes.

its not going to be that great,

more spending + higher taxes = more debt

you have to raise taxes, in fact I have heard that this is the first US war that taxes weren't raised

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

I like how people go "they agree with some of Bush's ideas, therefore they're bad!"

First, this makes the silly assumption that whatever Bush considers to be good, must be bad. Bush considers food to be good; is food bad?

Second, this makes the silly assumption that Bush had nothing but bad ideas. Some of Bush's ideas were really good, but were executed so terribly that there was no way they could have worked.

alexmurray

The only good idea he had was invade Afghanistan that's it's,

cutting taxes of people who make over $250,000 a year and we are in two wars :lol:

Corporate income taxes-we currently have the second highest in the world. Is raising them to lower taxes on the lower income people going to do any good? No. Why? Because, with that, more businesses move overseas for lower taxes (many major contracting firms, such as Weatherford and Halliburton have already done so), so the US has fewer jobs, and thus has less money to go around.

What would Obama's policies would do to those who make over 250K per year? They would increase taxes on them to 60% of their income. Good? Only if you feel good when bad things happen to those who do better than you. Over 50% of those individuals are either small business owners or individual practice owners (doctors, lawyers, etc.) and recent polling suggests that the individual practice owners, especially doctors, would cut their services significantly in order to get below the 250K per year bracket, thus lowering medical service across the nation, thus further complicating the healthcare problem. Meanwhile, small businesses, whose profits are taxed via the business owner (whose income is usually inflated, as the income of the entire business is counted as his/hers, and then distributed to his/her workers, insurance companies, etc.), suffer significantly due to their already inherent instability, which further damages the economy, as over 25% of it is comprised of small businesses. If even a tenth of them go under, the US economy suffers a significant slowdown that further cuts jobs and average income.

IMO, both taxes and spending should be cut across the board, especially for corporations, in order to make our economy more stable and competitive.

[QUOTE="alexmurray"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

I like how people go "they agree with some of Bush's ideas, therefore they're bad!"

First, this makes the silly assumption that whatever Bush considers to be good, must be bad. Bush considers food to be good; is food bad?

Second, this makes the silly assumption that Bush had nothing but bad ideas. Some of Bush's ideas were really good, but were executed so terribly that there was no way they could have worked.

thepwninator

The only good idea he had was invade Afghanistan that's it's,

cutting taxes of people who make over $250,000 a year and we are in two wars :lol:

Corporate income taxes-we currently have the second highest in the world. Is raising them to lower taxes on the lower income people going to do any good? No. Why? Because, with that, more businesses move overseas for lower taxes (many major contracting firms, such as Weatherford and Halliburton have already done so), so the US has fewer jobs, and thus has less money to go around.

What would Obama's policies would do to those who make over 250K per year? They would increase taxes on them to 60% of their income. Good? Only if you feel good when bad things happen to those who do better than you. Over 50% of those individuals are either small business owners or individual practice owners (doctors, lawyers, etc.) and recent polling suggests that the individual practice owners, especially doctors, would cut their services significantly in order to get below the 250K per year bracket, thus lowering medical service across the nation, thus further complicating the healthcare problem. Meanwhile, small businesses, whose profits are taxed via the business owner (whose income is usually inflated, as the income of the entire business is counted as his/hers, and then distributed to his/her workers, insurance companies, etc.), suffer significantly due to their already inherent instability, which further damages the economy, as over 25% of it is comprised of small businesses. If even a tenth of them go under, the US economy suffers a significant slowdown that further cuts jobs and average income.

IMO, both taxes and spending should be cut across the board, especially for corporations, in order to make our economy more stable and competitive.

well thats your opinion,

mine is that the US is fighting two wars, we need to raise taxes, I think we need to raise taxes on people who make $150,000 a year because

higher spending needs higher taxes

[QUOTE="hokies1313"][QUOTE="SimpJee"][QUOTE="MayorJohnny"]

[QUOTE="famicommander"]The debates will indeed be a shock to Obama supporters. There were times in the primaries when Edwards, Clinton, and Biden made him look like a fool.freshgman

LOL! :lol:

See, in the debates, there isn't a teleprompter.

I can see it now...

Obama: Euhhheuh... What John McCain proposes is a Bush third term!

Biden can own any fool though, so are there like subs?

Obama: SUBSTITUTION! BIDEN GO!

You can't just rely on someone else when you are president. If Biden is so much better, why isn't he running?

cuz he lost

[QUOTE="alexmurray"]

cutting taxes of people who make over $250,000 a year and we are in two wars :lol:

Theokhoth

Cutting taxes for people making $250,000 a year is SOOOO much worse than raising them to the point where they pay 95% of the entire country's taxes.

higher spending needs higher taxes

alexmurray

So...tank the economy by raising taxes or helping it by eliminating frivolous policies-Social Security would be far better if it were, as Al Gore suggested, a "lock box", as, then, it would gain interest, thus allowing the government more money to use for it or other things, thus decreasing waste and cutting the input:output ratio by over 50% while keeping output the same; public education is so filled with wasteful spending it's surreal; military spending is as inefficient as all hell (75 dollars for a hammer, anyone?), as are public works projects in general-they are almost invariably delayed, exceed cost projections due to a plethora of loopholes in contracts, and much more besides (indeed, the only major public works project in the past decade that was actually under budget was the Houston I-10 expansion, and, guess what? The city and state governments were the ones that provided the capital and did all of the logistics for it).

There's lots of room to cut spending.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="alexmurray"]

cutting taxes of people who make over $250,000 a year and we are in two wars :lol:

xaos

Cutting taxes for people making $250,000 a year is SOOOO much worse than raising them to the point where they pay 95% of the entire country's taxes.

Indeed. The top twenty percent hold 50% of the nation's wealth. However, they don't pay anywhere near 95% percent of the taxes. They only pay 80%.

[QUOTE="alexmurray"]

higher spending needs higher taxes

thepwninator

So...tank the economy by raising taxes or helping it by eliminating frivolous policies-Social Security would be far better if it were, as Al Gore suggested, a "lock box", as, then, it would gain interest, thus allowing the government more money to use for it or other things, thus decreasing waste and cutting the input:output ratio by over 50% while keeping output the same; public education is so filled with wasteful spending it's surreal; military spending is as inefficient as all hell (75 dollars for a hammer, anyone?), as are public works projects in general-they are almost invariably delayed, exceed cost projections due to a plethora of loopholes in contracts, and much more besides (indeed, the only major public works project in the past decade that was actually under budget was the Houston I-10 expansion, and, guess what? The city and state governments were the ones that provided the capital and did all of the logistics for it).

There's lots of room to cut spending.

yea the bush tax cuts really helped the economy,

and yes cut spending cut the Iraq war that's lots of spending

[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="alexmurray"]

cutting taxes of people who make over $250,000 a year and we are in two wars :lol:

thepwninator

Cutting taxes for people making $250,000 a year is SOOOO much worse than raising them to the point where they pay 95% of the entire country's taxes.

Indeed. The top twenty percent hold 50% of the nation's wealth. However, they don't pay anywhere near 95% percent of the taxes. They only pay 80%.

I meant after Obama got into office. . . .

[QUOTE="alexmurray"]

yea the bush tax cuts really helped the economy,

and yes cut spending cut the Iraq war that's lots of spending

Theokhoth

I really hope you're not old enough to vote.

Oh I am, and I think you know who im going to vote for, but it doesn't matter anyway because I live in the most liberal state in America

yea the bush tax cuts really helped the economy,

and yes cut spending cut the Iraq war that's lots of spending

alexmurray

I really hope you're not old enough to vote.

[QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="alexmurray"]

higher spending needs higher taxes

alexmurray

So...tank the economy by raising taxes or helping it by eliminating frivolous policies-Social Security would be far better if it were, as Al Gore suggested, a "lock box", as, then, it would gain interest, thus allowing the government more money to use for it or other things, thus decreasing waste and cutting the input:output ratio by over 50% while keeping output the same; public education is so filled with wasteful spending it's surreal; military spending is as inefficient as all hell (75 dollars for a hammer, anyone?), as are public works projects in general-they are almost invariably delayed, exceed cost projections due to a plethora of loopholes in contracts, and much more besides (indeed, the only major public works project in the past decade that was actually under budget was the Houston I-10 expansion, and, guess what? The city and state governments were the ones that provided the capital and did all of the logistics for it).

There's lots of room to cut spending.

yea the bush tax cuts really helped the economy,

and yes cut spending cut the Iraq war that's lots of spending

I never said we shouldn't cut the Iraq war out, did I? ;)

The Bush tax cuts were actually quite a bit more successful than you give them credit for-they continued the economic growth of the Clinton years for over six years more, which is significant, as the actual driving force behind the expansion during the Clinton years-the tech boom-had long since subsided by the end of the time of growth. Indeed, the current situation is completely unrelated to the tax cuts. It is far more closely related to the unethical lending practices of firms like Countrywide Financial.

[QUOTE="neogeo419"][QUOTE="alexmurray"]

[QUOTE="Led_poison"]The VP debates would be interestingalexmurray

I cant wait for Biden to crush palin

I wont when the start talking about forgien policy,

but Alaska is near Russia:lol:

Alaska is also near the North Pole so she may also be friends with Santa! LOL