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The incoming leader of the National Rifle Association, the largest gun lobby in the US, has told supporters they are at the front line of a 'culture war', fighting for the right to bear arms.

Speaking association's annual convention, in the southern state of Texas, Jim Porter accused Barack Obama, US president of "meeting and plotting with a whos who of the gun ban movement, scheming to create gun control by bureaucracy.

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He's doing a p. shitty job at banning guns.
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He's doing a p. shitty job at banning guns.DroidPhysX

Is P. Shitty a new name for P. Diddy?

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#4 -Fromage-
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Oh no, not the guns!!
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He is a socialist and doesn't understand the point of the US for sure.  However, he is failing miserably when it comes to disarming American citizens.  

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#6 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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And the NRA just cares about gun manufacturers, not people.

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He is a socialisthartsickdiscipl

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#9 hartsickdiscipl
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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

He is a socialistDroidPhysX

HAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAAHAHAH

 

Keep on laughing.  This isn't really debatable.  

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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

He is a socialisthartsickdiscipl

HAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAAHAHAH

 

Keep on laughing.  This isn't really debatable.  

Yeah, it's obvious he isn't a socialist. Not really debatable.
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#11 Lord_Omikron666
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Sounds like they're just being a bunch of paranoid dumbfvcks to me.

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#12 PWSteal_Ldpinch
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]He's doing a p. shitty job at banning guns.worlock77

Is P. Shitty a new name for P. Diddy?

herp derp

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#13 loco145
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Obama is center-right at wose (best).

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#14 coolbeans90
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Seems a touch paranoid.

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MUH FREEDUMS

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#17 THE_DRUGGIE
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How long until the NRA snaps and goes on a shooting rampage because of video games?

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#18 deactivated-5b78379493e12
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The NRA certainly knows how to appeal to it's base, and no one else. 

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#19 Slashless
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F*ck the NRA. They're only hurting the image of gun owning citizens.

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#20 Blue-Sky
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He is a socialist and doesn't understand the point of the US for sure.  However, he is failing miserably when it comes to disarming American citizens.  

hartsickdiscipl

Majority of Americans are socialists. Including most conservatives. 

They may not call themselves socialists, but they sure as hell support every socialist program in the US. 

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Has Obama really done anything to reduce the right to bear arms? I know he signed a few things expanding said right but has he actually done anything against it? I mean I remember all the paranoid right wing people saying by April Obama would have removed the second amendment because of teh NWOs but...nothing happened. Literally nothing happened.
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#22 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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F*ck the NRA. They're only hurting the image of gun owning citizens.

Slashless

Pretty much lol. It's hilarious when naive fools think the NRA is doing things to help the average gunowner but they only exist to help gun manufacturers.

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#23 Slashless
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[QUOTE="Slashless"]

F*ck the NRA. They're only hurting the image of gun owning citizens.

Aljosa23

Pretty much lol. It's hilarious when naive fools think the NRA is doing things to help the average gunowner but they only exist to help gun manufacturers.

mhm can't wait until they lobby against 3D Printers.
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#24 PWSteal_Ldpinch
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[QUOTE="Slashless"]

F*ck the NRA. They're only hurting the image of gun owning citizens.

Aljosa23

Pretty much lol. It's hilarious when naive fools think the NRA is doing things to help the average gunowner but they only exist to help gun manufacturers.

I don't really see the problem. These manufacturers produce firearms in the US and provide manufacturing jobs to thousands of Americans. We need more domestic manufacturers, not less.

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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="Slashless"]

F*ck the NRA. They're only hurting the image of gun owning citizens.

PWSteal_Ldpinch

Pretty much lol. It's hilarious when naive fools think the NRA is doing things to help the average gunowner but they only exist to help gun manufacturers.

I don't really see the problem. These manufacturers produce firearms in the US and provide manufacturing jobs to thousands of Americans. We need more domestic manufacturers, not less.

I think it would be better if we sell zip gun kits!

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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

He is a socialisthartsickdiscipl

HAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAAHAHAH

 

Keep on laughing.  This isn't really debatable.  

You're right, there's no room to debate, he is absolutely not a socialist.

Let's see what President Obama has tried to do on guns so far: increase scrutiny on background checks and actually enforce background checks, ZOMG he's trying to take all our guns!!!!

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[QUOTE="Ace6301"]Has Obama really done anything to reduce the right to bear arms? I know he signed a few things expanding said right but has he actually done anything against it? I mean I remember all the paranoid right wing people saying by April Obama would have removed the second amendment because of teh NWOs but...nothing happened. Literally nothing happened.

The best conspiracy theories are the ones with expiration dates. Like when people were talking about how the swine flu vaccine a couple years ago was part of a depopulation plot.
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#28 PannicAtack
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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] HAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAAHAHAH

theone86

 

Keep on laughing.  This isn't really debatable.  

You're right, there's no room to debate, he is absolutely not a socialist.

Let's see what President Obama has tried to do on guns so far: increase scrutiny on background checks and actually enforce background checks, ZOMG he's trying to take all our guns!!!!

And making it legal to have guns in state parks.
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just the other week I was saying that the  NRA is a crazy fringe group, and I was told they were not. Yet here they are saying that the president is trying to take away every ounce of freedom because he wants universal background checks.

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#30 Serraph105
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[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

 

Keep on laughing.  This isn't really debatable.  

PannicAtack

You're right, there's no room to debate, he is absolutely not a socialist.

Let's see what President Obama has tried to do on guns so far: increase scrutiny on background checks and actually enforce background checks, ZOMG he's trying to take all our guns!!!!

And making it legal to have guns in state parks.

teh horror! Next he might try to implement armed squads in schools.
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#31 -wildflower-
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Jim Porter still refers to the American Civil War as, "The War of Northern Aggression," so, yeah, we should take everything thing this backwater bumpkin has to say seriously.  :roll: 

But, by all means Mr. Porker, continue making these outlandish statements and watch your gun cult fade into obscurity much like the Republican party.

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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

He is a socialisthartsickdiscipl

HAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAAHAHAH

 

Keep on laughing.  This isn't really debatable.  

who isn't a socialist?

you  pay  social security just like everyone else does.

 you show me a guy who is not a socialist and i can show you a dude who can be put in prison for not paying his taxes.

anyway as far as the topic goes.

GAWD!!! GAWD Y'ALL!!! OBAMA!!! RIGHT?!?!?!

:lol:

 

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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] HAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAAHAHAH

Riverwolf007

 

Keep on laughing.  This isn't really debatable.  

who isn't a socialist?

 

Lord Xenu.

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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] HAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAAHAHAH

Riverwolf007

 

Keep on laughing.  This isn't really debatable.  

who isn't a socialist?

you  pay  social security just like everyone else does.

 you show me a guy who is not a socialist and i can show you a dude who can be put in prison for not paying his taxes.

anyway as far as the topic goes.

GAWD!!! GAWD Y'ALL!!! OBAMA!!! RIGHT?!?!?!

:lol:

 

I agree. It was pretty funny sitting in a bar one day listening in on these old men's conversation cursing Obama and socialism. You can bet all thee of them were drinking with their Social Security checks.
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#36 hartsickdiscipl
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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

He is a socialist and doesn't understand the point of the US for sure.  However, he is failing miserably when it comes to disarming American citizens.  

Blue-Sky

Majority of Americans are socialists. Including most conservatives. 

They may not call themselves socialists, but they sure as hell support every socialist program in the US. 

 

Is that right?

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The NRA's good at what they do. The more they (inaccurately) make the claims that the government is trying to take away guns, the more gun sales go up
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Liberty is a necessity of man's life qua man. If the government does not recognize your unconditional right to defend yourself - from anything/anyone - then the government does not respect your right to live. Such a government is a violent and oppressive institution and is anti-life. Obama has made it clear again and again that he does not recognize the right that his constituencies have to live. This failure does not just manifest itself in his opposition to the 2nd amendment, but also in his pro-welfare, pro-inflation, pro-regulation, and pro-surveillance policies - in addition to his restriction of protests and habeus corpus.

A person is either fundamentally and unconditionally for or against freedom, and for or against life. Obama is the most violent and oppressive president since FDR and he is firmly anti-freedom and anti-life.

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[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

He is a socialist and doesn't understand the point of the US for sure.  However, he is failing miserably when it comes to disarming American citizens.  

hartsickdiscipl

Majority of Americans are socialists. Including most conservatives. 

They may not call themselves socialists, but they sure as hell support every socialist program in the US. 

 

Is that right?

Do you support law enforcement, firefighters, public schools and military? If so, you are a socialist.
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This ignorant NRA sh*t is stupid.
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The NRA saying more ridiculous things about Obama. How predictable and unsurprising. 

They do a good job of making us gun owners look like proper nuts. Kind of sucks since they are the only real effective lobby for pro-gun. I hate the organization but there isn't really any other organization with any push for pro-gun legislation. They've all kind of merged into the NRA.

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#42 Jimn_tonic
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The NRA supported both the 1934 National Firearms Act, and the 1968 Gun Control Act. Two of the biggest pieces of gun control legislation in the US. Now, Obama issues some weak ass executive orders that do nothing, and he's taking away American freedom.

Makes perfect sense!

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[QUOTE="Laihendi"]Liberty is a necessity of man's life qua man. If the government does not recognize your unconditional right to defend yourself - from anything/anyone - then the government does not respect your right to live. Such a government is a violent and oppressive institution and is anti-life. Obama has made it clear again and again that he does not recognize the right that his constituencies have to live. This failure does not just manifest itself in his opposition to the 2nd amendment, but also in his pro-welfare, pro-inflation, pro-regulation, and pro-surveillance policies - in addition to his restriction protests of habeus corpus. A person is either fundamentally and unconditionally for or against freedom, and for or against life. Obama is the most violent and oppressive president since FDR and he is firmly anti-freedom and anti-life.

However the constitution never gave you the right to defend yourself in a personal way. The second ammendment was put into place so you could form a militia and fight government tyranny. And ironically most people who support the right to bear arms, are against the kinds of weapons that would be needed to uphold the constution. These weapons would be of the same quantity and caliber as used by the federal agents invading your home. That's not a 9mm.
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[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"][QUOTE="Laihendi"]Liberty is a necessity of man's life qua man. If the government does not recognize your unconditional right to defend yourself - from anything/anyone - then the government does not respect your right to live. Such a government is a violent and oppressive institution and is anti-life. Obama has made it clear again and again that he does not recognize the right that his constituencies have to live. This failure does not just manifest itself in his opposition to the 2nd amendment, but also in his pro-welfare, pro-inflation, pro-regulation, and pro-surveillance policies - in addition to his restriction protests of habeus corpus. A person is either fundamentally and unconditionally for or against freedom, and for or against life. Obama is the most violent and oppressive president since FDR and he is firmly anti-freedom and anti-life.

However the constitution never gave you the right to defend yourself in a personal way. The second ammendment was put into place so you could form a militia and fight government tyranny. And ironically most people who support the right to bear arms, are against the kinds of weapons that would be needed to uphold the constution. These weapons would be of the same quantity and caliber as used by the federal agents invading your home. That's not a 9mm.

Rights are not derived from pieces of paper. A constitution does not give rights - it recognizes them (or fails to). Rights are derived from a conscious mind and the inherent necessities to the existence of such a mind. Rights are derived from life within the realm of objective reality. An unconditional right to self-defense includes a right to the ownership of any weapon with a demonstrable purpose of self-defense.
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The NRA's good at what they do. The more they (inaccurately) make the claims that the government is trying to take away guns, the more gun sales go upJML897

Gun nuts can buy into Glenn Beck's blackboard, but this connection is too hard to understand?  What is this world coming to?

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[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"][QUOTE="Laihendi"]Liberty is a necessity of man's life qua man. If the government does not recognize your unconditional right to defend yourself - from anything/anyone - then the government does not respect your right to live. Such a government is a violent and oppressive institution and is anti-life. Obama has made it clear again and again that he does not recognize the right that his constituencies have to live. This failure does not just manifest itself in his opposition to the 2nd amendment, but also in his pro-welfare, pro-inflation, pro-regulation, and pro-surveillance policies - in addition to his restriction protests of habeus corpus. A person is either fundamentally and unconditionally for or against freedom, and for or against life. Obama is the most violent and oppressive president since FDR and he is firmly anti-freedom and anti-life.Laihendi
However the constitution never gave you the right to defend yourself in a personal way. The second ammendment was put into place so you could form a militia and fight government tyranny. And ironically most people who support the right to bear arms, are against the kinds of weapons that would be needed to uphold the constution. These weapons would be of the same quantity and caliber as used by the federal agents invading your home. That's not a 9mm.

Rights are not derived from pieces of paper. A constitution does not give rights - it recognizes them (or fails to). Rights are derived from a conscious mind and the inherent necessities to the existence of such a mind. Rights are derived from life within the realm of objective reality. An unconditional right to self-defense includes a right to the ownership of any weapon with a demonstrable purpose of self-defense.

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Laihendi is a jewel, guys. Don't break it.

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Has Obama really done anything to reduce the right to bear arms? I know he signed a few things expanding said right but has he actually done anything against it? I mean I remember all the paranoid right wing people saying by April Obama would have removed the second amendment because of teh NWOs but...nothing happened. Literally nothing happened. Ace6301

Obama has tried and failed.

His actual power to pass bills is zero, and any executive order with teeth would get demolished by the Supreme Court.

His only true option is to push congress to pass bills, to this end he appointed Biden head of a group in charge of preventing future mass shootings that did attempt to get legislation passed to restrict firearm sales by banning assult weapons and large magazines. To this end even having children related to the recent shooting speak before congress.

Even with all these theatrics the legislation died in one of the most divisive congresses in decades. Do to Republicans and also rural Democrats that value their seats.

Obama has publicly stated a desire to renistate a Clinton Gun Ban, however he can't realy do **** without congress, which a majority does not want to touch the issue with a ten foot pole.

Obama has done things, but those things failed to bear fruit.

No matter how much the GOP or NRA complains about Obama being a dictator, he is far from having the capacity of that position

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#49 Ace6301
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An unconditional right to self-defense includes a right to the ownership of any weapon with a demonstrable purpose of self-defense.Laihendi
You should probably buy me a rocket launcher with an under-slung chainsaw then. Its my right to defend myself you say, not pay to have access to it. The government should be giving us guns. Also healthcare if they respect our right to live. You are correct when you say that rights are not derived from a piece of paper. The ones you think are rights were derived by a bunch of dead guys who then wrote their ideas down on a piece of paper which grants you rights now. Had the founding fathers written down that you had a constitutional right to waffles on Sundays and Obama happened to prefer pancakes you would be on here defending waffles rather than the right to bear arms.
Obama has done things, but those things failed to bear fruit.dercoo
I know. Hence he has done nothing.
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#50 dercoo
Member since 2006 • 12555 Posts

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]An unconditional right to self-defense includes a right to the ownership of any weapon with a demonstrable purpose of self-defense.Ace6301
You should probably buy me a rocket launcher with an under-slung chainsaw then. Its my right to defend myself you say, not pay to have access to it. The government should be giving us guns. Also healthcare if they respect our right to live. You are correct when you say that rights are not derived from a piece of paper. The ones you think are rights were derived by a bunch of dead guys who then wrote their ideas down on a piece of paper which grants you rights now. Had the founding fathers written down that you had a constitutional right to waffles on Sundays and Obama happened to prefer pancakes you would be on here defending waffles rather than the right to bear arms.
Obama has done things, but those things failed to bear fruit.dercoo
I know. Hence he has done nothing.

Proposing legislation and pushing it in congress is most certainly doing something.