Story here.
Obama pledges approximately 100,000 US soldiers out by August of 2010, and all of them out by end of year at 2011.
Do you believe it?
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Story here.
Obama pledges approximately 100,000 US soldiers out by August of 2010, and all of them out by end of year at 2011.
Do you believe it?
i think its fair to say actions speak louder than words and todays address is the opening. imv i believe all poloticians are the same but i believe obama because no other president has stated judge me by the stim bill or the withdraw from iraq. people attacked obama from the begining and you know the mans been in office for a little over of a month. the acctions the republicans did with bush determined the partys fate and no republican will admit it do to career credibily
it sounds a little true. good news is his thinking about getting them out of there but will probaly move them somewhere else. my cousin is in the military and he just got moved to Afghanistan. iam2greeni trust obama in this because if we were to keep all troops in iraq during 2 wars that would leave to a draft. the economy is shot and if mccain was president i promise you he would do a draft. isnt it fair to say bush used more scare tactics than obama? obama never scare tactied the wars but bush did. why do you think we are in iraq illegaly? OIL!
Sure, I believe he'll pull the troops out of IRAQ, but I wouldn't be surprised if they all just get moved to Afghanistan, or even Iran. Didn't Obama say something a while back about how we can't allow Iran to have nuclear weapons, and if Iran gets nukes we are going to take action? Come on, it's not our business to say who can and can't have nuclear weapons.FoOd77I'd say it is our business when a country that doesn't like us obtains nuclear weapons.
The worst idea ever. The US and other NATO countries are in the thick of trying to stabilize the region. They got involved and should stay until its finished. To leave now would just set them up for failure and even more conflict.foxhound_foxThey aren't leaving now. They are withdrawing all "combat" troops (whatever that means) by 2010, but there is still going to be an American presence until 2011. However, none of this is set and stone and if the region shows any signs of becoming unstable again there's no doubt in my mind that they'll send troops right back.
Just in time for the 2012 campaign to kick into high gear ;)xaos
if you wanna win, you gotta start early.
the average starting plan is 6 years in advance. you can never be "too early."
[QUOTE="FoOd77"]Sure, I believe he'll pull the troops out of IRAQ, but I wouldn't be surprised if they all just get moved to Afghanistan, or even Iran. Didn't Obama say something a while back about how we can't allow Iran to have nuclear weapons, and if Iran gets nukes we are going to take action? Come on, it's not our business to say who can and can't have nuclear weapons.-Sun_Tzu-I'd say it is our business when a country that doesn't like us obtains nuclear weapons. No, it isn't our business. It's extremely unlikely that ANY government is going to use nuclear weapons, because we all know that just one country launching ONE nuke at another can trigger a nuclear holocaust. And while Iran's leaders are overzealous, they certainly aren't bat s*** insane enough to actually USE nukes. It's far more likely that the U.S. will be attacked by somebody smuggling in a nuke bought off the black market rather than an organized government, no matter how corrupt, launching an ICBM at us. Also, a lot of countries don't like us, even our allies are beginning to hate us. Does that mean we should go to war with them because we are the only ones allowed to have Nuclear Weapons?
[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="FoOd77"]Sure, I believe he'll pull the troops out of IRAQ, but I wouldn't be surprised if they all just get moved to Afghanistan, or even Iran. Didn't Obama say something a while back about how we can't allow Iran to have nuclear weapons, and if Iran gets nukes we are going to take action? Come on, it's not our business to say who can and can't have nuclear weapons.FoOd77I'd say it is our business when a country that doesn't like us obtains nuclear weapons. No, it isn't our business. It's extremely unlikely that ANY government is going to use nuclear weapons, because we all know that just one country launching ONE nuke at another can trigger a nuclear holocaust. And while Iran's leaders are overzealous, they certainly aren't bat s*** insane enough to actually USE nukes. It's far more likely that the U.S. will be attacked by somebody smuggling in a nuke bought off the black market rather than an organized government, no matter how corrupt, launching an ICBM at us. Also, a lot of countries don't like us, even our allies are beginning to hate us. Does that mean we should go to war with them because we are the only ones allowed to have Nuclear Weapons? Uhh, yes it is our business. I don't care how unlikely it is that any government would resort to using nuclear weapons; it is still our business when a country that doesn't like use obtains weapons that have the potential to devastate our country. And I never recommended going to war with countries with nuclear weapons; I only stated that it is our business when a country that has a considerable amount of animosity towards us (or any country for that matter) tries to obtain nuclear weapons.
[QUOTE="FoOd77"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] I'd say it is our business when a country that doesn't like us obtains nuclear weapons.-Sun_Tzu-No, it isn't our business. It's extremely unlikely that ANY government is going to use nuclear weapons, because we all know that just one country launching ONE nuke at another can trigger a nuclear holocaust. And while Iran's leaders are overzealous, they certainly aren't bat s*** insane enough to actually USE nukes. It's far more likely that the U.S. will be attacked by somebody smuggling in a nuke bought off the black market rather than an organized government, no matter how corrupt, launching an ICBM at us. Also, a lot of countries don't like us, even our allies are beginning to hate us. Does that mean we should go to war with them because we are the only ones allowed to have Nuclear Weapons? Uhh, yes it is our business. I don't care how unlikely it is that any government would resort to using nuclear weapons; it is still our business when a country that doesn't like use obtains weapons that have the potential to devastate our country. And I never recommended going to war with countries with nuclear weapons; I only stated that it is our business when a country that has a considerable amount of animosity towards us (or any country for that matter) tries to obtain nuclear weapons. That mindset is why other countries hate us in the first place, we have absolutely no right to go and tell other countries what they can and can not have, even if they don't like us. And the point of my original post is that I remember during one of Obama's speeches he said something along the lines of "Iran can't have nukes, and we will make sure that they don't." It is NOT our business to police the world. Also, you said "I never recommended going to war with countries with nuclear weapons; I only stated that it is our business when a country that has a considerable amount of animosity towards us (or any country for that matter) tries to obtain nuclear weapons." If not going to war to stop them, what do you reccomend doing? If another country wants nukes that badly, they are going to get them. Eventually. And sorry for hijacking your thread, TC. I'll buy you a cake to make up for it.
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One extra part you forgot to add, unless I missed it
We have nuclear weapons pointed at countries that hate us. Why would they not have the exact same desire to do the exact same thing we are doing?
I don't really think we'd use them though unless as a desperate last resort. We use them mostly for scare tactics. It's like when a country threatens us so we park an aircraft carrier outside their border and say "hey, so we have enough firepower to turn your country into a desert right outside your front door, try not to mess with us again." We bully other countries around, but if it's what it takes to keep from getting attacked then so be it. Even the bombs we used against Japan weren't used without warning them and urging them to surrender. They refused even when we told them specifically what would happen as far as devastation goes.[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="FoOd77"] No, it isn't our business. It's extremely unlikely that ANY government is going to use nuclear weapons, because we all know that just one country launching ONE nuke at another can trigger a nuclear holocaust. And while Iran's leaders are overzealous, they certainly aren't bat s*** insane enough to actually USE nukes. It's far more likely that the U.S. will be attacked by somebody smuggling in a nuke bought off the black market rather than an organized government, no matter how corrupt, launching an ICBM at us. Also, a lot of countries don't like us, even our allies are beginning to hate us. Does that mean we should go to war with them because we are the only ones allowed to have Nuclear Weapons?FoOd77Uhh, yes it is our business. I don't care how unlikely it is that any government would resort to using nuclear weapons; it is still our business when a country that doesn't like use obtains weapons that have the potential to devastate our country. And I never recommended going to war with countries with nuclear weapons; I only stated that it is our business when a country that has a considerable amount of animosity towards us (or any country for that matter) tries to obtain nuclear weapons. That mindset is why other countries hate us in the first place, we have absolutely no right to go and tell other countries what they can and can not have, even if they don't like us. And the point of my original post is that I remember during one of Obama's speeches he said something along the lines of "Iran can't have nukes, and we will make sure that they don't." It is NOT our business to police the world. Also, you said "I never recommended going to war with countries with nuclear weapons; I only stated that it is our business when a country that has a considerable amount of animosity towards us (or any country for that matter) tries to obtain nuclear weapons." If not going to war to stop them, what do you reccomend doing? If another country wants nukes that badly, they are going to get them. Eventually. And sorry for hijacking your thread, TC. I'll buy you a cake to make up for it. But the thing is the U.S. has just as much a right to prevent countries like Iran or North Korea or whomever from obtaining nuclear weapons as those countries have to create said weapons.
On the subject of "policing the world", I completely agree with you. I think the America's involvement in countries like North Korea and Vietnam was completely unjustified and in hindsight it was a morally repulsive thing to do. But the situation with those countries was different than it is today with countries like Iraq and Iran. Iraq appeared to pose a significant threat towards the U.S., and if Iran is to obtain nuclear weapons that would threaten the stability of the region by triggering an arms race and most importantly it threatens our home land security.
And I never suggested stopping a country from obtaining nuclear weapons; I only said it was our business if they attempt to obtain them.
Terrorists have already marked the date on their rock calender.Stevo_the_gamerHow would you know that, unless... YOU ARE A TERRORIST????
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lets break it down to a generic example. If I have a gun pointed at your house I might be intrested in knowing if you are also planning to get a gun to point at my house and I might be intrested in making you stop.
But being intrested in something like that is different than "its my business".
Keep in mind within the modern world WE (the US) are the agressors
The U.S. should have more than an interest in knowing if another country is trying to obtain nuclear weapons. They should actively be trying to prevent said country from obtaining them. War isn't the only option. Without Russia, Iran wouldn't even have a nuclear program. If the U.S. were to at least be able to get Russia to be a little more transparent with there dealings with Iran, the chances of Iran developing nuclear weapons would diminish, greatly in my opinion.[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="SEANMCAD"]The U.S. should have more than an interest in knowing if another country is trying to obtain nuclear weapons. They should actively be trying to prevent said country from obtaining them. War isn't the only option. Without Russia, Iran wouldn't even have a nuclear program. If the U.S. were to at least be able to get Russia to be a little more transparent with there dealings with Iran, the chances of Iran developing nuclear weapons would diminish, greatly in my opinion.lets break it down to a generic example. If I have a gun pointed at your house I might be intrested in knowing if you are also planning to get a gun to point at my house and I might be intrested in making you stop.
But being intrested in something like that is different than "its my business".
Keep in mind within the modern world WE (the US) are the agressors
SEANMCAD
I repeat, if you are THE AGRESSOR with a gun pointed to someones head you do in fact have an intrest if that person tries to defend themselves however its a stretch to call it "your business" when you have a gun pointed at their skull
Well first of all, the U.S. doesn't have nukes pointed at Iran. And even if we did, the U.S. should still have the right to actively prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons and from balancing the power between the two countries.Now with that said, from a humanitarian perspective, I believe in nuclear proliferation (at least in theory). But from a nationalistic perspective I think that the U.S. should do everything in its power to prevent a country (especially a country that we do not have good relations with) from obtaining nuclear weapons.
[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Terrorists have already marked the date on their rock calender.xaosHow would you know that, unless... YOU ARE A TERRORIST???? ... I am a terrorist, check out muh video of me being a terrorist -- an infidel interviewed me.
If I'm not mistaken, weren't we supposed to have them out in six months with this guy???awmannnYou are mistaken; he, in fact, has been President less than two months...
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