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#51 blazinpuertoroc
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I don't get the fasting thing.....bad for the body.armen925

Christ also did a lot of fasting.

link? and solid evidence? :lol: J.k
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#52 Ontain
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periodic fasting is actually good for your health.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2003-04-28-fasting_x.htm

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#53 diped
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hai guyz i have a good idear lets starve our bodies of sustinence that is needed to live and function, it shall appease the gods!
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#54 Isbrealiompie
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I'd care but I'm too busy eating :P How long you have to fast for anyways?
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#55 nightshade85
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what happens if you are nocturnal? do they just reverse the rules?
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I don't get the fasting thing.....bad for the body.LJS9502_basic

Not quite:

http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/node/1834

http://www.dana.org/news/brainwork/detail.aspx?id=10380

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#57 deactivated-5901ac91d8e33
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what happens if you are nocturnal? do they just reverse the rules? nightshade85

Nope, still the same rules.

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#58 armen925
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periodic fasting is actually good for your health.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2003-04-28-fasting_x.htm

Ontain

But this doesnt amount to the amount of fasting that muslims do over the month which is unhealthy.

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[QUOTE="nightshade85"]what happens if you are nocturnal? do they just reverse the rules? jointed

Nope, still the same rules.

really easy then for people that sleep during the day

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#60 MFaraz_Hayat
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[QUOTE="Ontain"]

periodic fasting is actually good for your health.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2003-04-28-fasting_x.htm

armen925

But this doesnt amount to the amount of fasting that muslims do over the month which is unhealthy.

It's approx 12-14 hours a day. So kinda like intermittent-fasting (which is good) i.e. eat at alternate days.

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#61 MFaraz_Hayat
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[QUOTE="jointed"]

[QUOTE="nightshade85"]what happens if you are nocturnal? do they just reverse the rules? nightshade85

Nope, still the same rules.

really easy then for people that sleep during the day

I think that it is neccessary to offer prayers.

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#62 deactivated-5901ac91d8e33
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[QUOTE="jointed"]

[QUOTE="nightshade85"]what happens if you are nocturnal? do they just reverse the rules? nightshade85

Nope, still the same rules.

really easy then for people that sleep during the day

Well, they have to keep up with work, school and prayers.

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#63 GetEnTheKitchen
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BTW imma muslim:P and an Obama supporter!

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Then why is the women in your sig not covered up? Mmmmm? Your a fake!!!!111!eleven!

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Its that time of the year again Ramadan when hundreds of muslims die by volutarily starving themselves even though they live in the middle of the desert. Whats worse still is that in their countries they force you to fast as well(no eating outside) even if you aren't muslim. Sure in their countries they shorten the work day so that you dont push yourself too hard but muslims living outside muslim countries don't get any of these considerations so i would suggest not fasting, and tell your parents its not right to force others to fast its a personal choice, infact tell al your muslim brotherein that. I mean how many expats can you kick out of your countries for eating in public grow up its the 21st century.
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That reminds me I just ate a huge BK Whopper with fries. Very satisfying, indeed. Well good luck with your fasting! :D
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Its that time of the year again Ramadan when hundreds of muslims die by volutarily starving themselves even though they live in the middle of the desert. Whats worse still is that in their countries they force you to fast as well(no eating outside) even if you aren't muslim. Sure in their countries they shorten the work day so that you dont push yourself too hard but muslims living outside muslim countries don't get any of these considerations so i would suggest not fasting, and tell your parents its not right to force others to fast its a personal choice, infact tell al your muslim brotherein that. I mean how many expats can you kick out of your countries for eating in public grow up its the 21st century.
chadurwalla

If those people are fasting, even near state of death, then they are foolish. According to Islam, if a person is sick or in near death state or can be saved just by eating or drinking: He can break the fast and even not keep the fast (if he is sick from start).

Which country are you talking about? This doesnot happen in Karachi (Pakistan, Islamic State) .

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[QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="Ontain"]

periodic fasting is actually good for your health.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2003-04-28-fasting_x.htm

MFaraz_Hayat

But this doesnt amount to the amount of fasting that muslims do over the month which is unhealthy.

It's approx 12-14 hours a day. So kinda like intermittent-fasting (which is good) i.e. eat at alternate days.

I understand. But this is the reason its unhealthy. Ramadan happens to land during school and many kids take P.E. Its not healthy to run a mile every week or so and participate in playing sports while fasting for the whole month from sunset to sunrise. Your links are periodic fastings but not to the scale of what muslims have to do.

It also happens to be very hot around this time and fasting is even harder. Running for p.e becomes even harder and the weather takes its toll on the body. Your basically forcing yourself not to eat when you really need to. Water is essential but that too is not allowed.

Of course many muslims dont understand what they need to eat as well. Complex carbohydrates or slow digesting foods would be good for sahur i recommend to those who are fasting. Eat a lot of dairy, fish, meat, wheat, oat, beans, rice.

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#68 Renegade_Fury
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You're not really supposed to complain about it. >_>

Do it if you can handle it, otherwise just eat after sunrise tomorrow.

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[QUOTE="KeizerHalil"][QUOTE="comp_atkins"]

god doesn't care if you eat or not.. he's got a big friggin universe to manage.

markop2003

True, but my parents think otherwise:P

you could eat your parents then, canibilism FTW

This. Or just eat and dont tell anyone...

I believe in respecting your parents and all, but screw not eating if im not doing it out of my own choice.

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[QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"][QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="Ontain"]

periodic fasting is actually good for your health.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2003-04-28-fasting_x.htm

armen925

But this doesnt amount to the amount of fasting that muslims do over the month which is unhealthy.

It's approx 12-14 hours a day. So kinda like intermittent-fasting (which is good) i.e. eat at alternate days.

I understand. But this is the reason its unhealthy. Ramadan happens to land during school and many kids take P.E. Its not healthy to run a mile every week or so and participate in playing sports while fasting for the whole month from sunset to sunrise. Your links are periodic fastings but not to the scale of what muslims have to do.

It also happens to be very hot around this time and fasting is even harder. Running for p.e becomes even harder and the weather takes its toll on the body. Your basically forcing yourself not to eat when you really need to. Water is essential but that too is not allowed.

Of course many muslims dont understand what they need to eat as well. Complex carbohydrates or slow digesting foods would be good for sahur i recommend to those who are fasting. Eat a lot of dairy, fish, meat, wheat, oat, beans, rice.

Islamic Calender is based on moon. Therefore, the seasons in which Ramadan strikes a country keep changing(so it is fair for muslims, all over the world).

Plus, the fasting proved to be beneficial is intermittent-fasting which is approximately the same.

As far as the exercise is concerned, it can be carried out at Sahur ( I do it, and drink after it). It helps me get fresh, and is really great. Plus, waking up early morning and exercising does have it's benefits.

At school, the child can give an application(if he wants).

Do you know, many people here in Karachi think that eating fish and dairy products together causes skin pigmentation. :D

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[QUOTE="Ontain"]

periodic fasting is actually good for your health.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2003-04-28-fasting_x.htm

armen925

But this doesnt amount to the amount of fasting that muslims do over the month which is unhealthy.

Since when is intermittent fasting unhealthy?

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#72 TheLastPrincess
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To the OP: I'm not a Muslim, but what's the point of fasting if you are only doing it because your parents tell you to? Technically speaking, your fast is invalid in front of God if you have no intention behind it - according to Islam that is.
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[QUOTE="darkspineslayer"]

[QUOTE="MoldOnHold"]It's the thirst that pains me the most. :(gbpman630

i pray for you moldy! :cry:

*sips 7up*

REALY I DO!

Dont be a prick man.

i'm sorry, your right that was uncalled for. :(

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#74 armen925
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[QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"][QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="Ontain"]

periodic fasting is actually good for your health.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2003-04-28-fasting_x.htm

MFaraz_Hayat

But this doesnt amount to the amount of fasting that muslims do over the month which is unhealthy.

It's approx 12-14 hours a day. So kinda like intermittent-fasting (which is good) i.e. eat at alternate days.

I understand. But this is the reason its unhealthy. Ramadan happens to land during school and many kids take P.E. Its not healthy to run a mile every week or so and participate in playing sports while fasting for the whole month from sunset to sunrise. Your links are periodic fastings but not to the scale of what muslims have to do.

It also happens to be very hot around this time and fasting is even harder. Running for p.e becomes even harder and the weather takes its toll on the body. Your basically forcing yourself not to eat when you really need to. Water is essential but that too is not allowed.

Of course many muslims dont understand what they need to eat as well. Complex carbohydrates or slow digesting foods would be good for sahur i recommend to those who are fasting. Eat a lot of dairy, fish, meat, wheat, oat, beans, rice.

Islamic Calender is based on moon. Therefore, the seasons in which Ramadan strikes a country keep changing(so it is fair for muslims, all over the world).

Plus, the fasting proved to be beneficial is intermittent-fasting which is approximately the same.

As far as the exercise is concerned, it can be carried out at Sahur ( I do it, and drink after it). It helps me get fresh, and is really great. Plus, waking up early morning and exercising does have it's benefits.

At school, the child can give an application(if he wants).

Do you know, many people here in Karachi think that eating fish and dairy products together causes skin pigmentation. :D

I've never heard of the application routine they just failed me :P Oh your speaking about Pakistan, well i suppose there its different but in America they made me run.

So they do they choose not to eat fish and dairy all together because its really good for you :lol:

But once again intermittent fasting is still not healthy to those who are still growing. Children who carry out fasts for the whole month have even a higher chance of becoming sick than the adults. They are far more vulnerable.

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#75 armen925
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[QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="Ontain"]

periodic fasting is actually good for your health.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2003-04-28-fasting_x.htm

TheLastPrincess

But this doesnt amount to the amount of fasting that muslims do over the month which is unhealthy.

Since when is intermittent fasting unhealthy?

There are children who fast for the whole month fasting is not only for the adults.

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There are children who fast for the whole month fasting is not only for the adults.

armen925

What's your point? Do you haveany evidence to back your statement that it's unhealthy? Any research papers perhaps?

Even then, when you say "children", what age are you referring to? 10? 13? 16? 18?

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[QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"][QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"][QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="Ontain"]

periodic fasting is actually good for your health.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2003-04-28-fasting_x.htm

armen925

But this doesnt amount to the amount of fasting that muslims do over the month which is unhealthy.

It's approx 12-14 hours a day. So kinda like intermittent-fasting (which is good) i.e. eat at alternate days.

I understand. But this is the reason its unhealthy. Ramadan happens to land during school and many kids take P.E. Its not healthy to run a mile every week or so and participate in playing sports while fasting for the whole month from sunset to sunrise. Your links are periodic fastings but not to the scale of what muslims have to do.

It also happens to be very hot around this time and fasting is even harder. Running for p.e becomes even harder and the weather takes its toll on the body. Your basically forcing yourself not to eat when you really need to. Water is essential but that too is not allowed.

Of course many muslims dont understand what they need to eat as well. Complex carbohydrates or slow digesting foods would be good for sahur i recommend to those who are fasting. Eat a lot of dairy, fish, meat, wheat, oat, beans, rice.

Islamic Calender is based on moon. Therefore, the seasons in which Ramadan strikes a country keep changing(so it is fair for muslims, all over the world).

Plus, the fasting proved to be beneficial is intermittent-fasting which is approximately the same.

As far as the exercise is concerned, it can be carried out at Sahur ( I do it, and drink after it). It helps me get fresh, and is really great. Plus, waking up early morning and exercising does have it's benefits.

At school, the child can give an application(if he wants).

Do you know, many people here in Karachi think that eating fish and dairy products together causes skin pigmentation. :D

I've never heard of the application routine they just failed me :P Oh your speaking about Pakistan, well i suppose there its different but in America they made me run.

So they do they choose not to eat fish and dairy all together because its really good for you :lol:

But once again intermittent fasting is still not healthy to those who are still growing. Children who carry out fasts for the whole month have even a higher chance of becoming sick than the adults. They are far more vulnerable.

Fasting is compulsary, only after puberty ( i think). But I assure you, it is not obligatory on little children. If anyone forces them to fast, he is wrong. You can just google, to check that fasting is not obligatory in various circumstances.

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[QUOTE="armen925"]

There are children who fast for the whole month fasting is not only for the adults.

TheLastPrincess

What's your point? Do you haveany evidence to back your statement that it's unhealthy? Any research papers perhaps?

Even then, when you say "children", what age are you referring to? 10? 13? 16? 18?

My point is that my muslim brother or sister here is still young. Perhaps 14-18 im guessing. He came here stating that he wants to eat. I say eat. His parents say no. He shouldnt be fasting is my first point.

My second point is that muslim children start fasting around 14 or 15 even 13. You truly believe, with all your heart, that this is healthy?

You do not need research papers to see this habibi. :oops:

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[QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"][QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"][QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="Ontain"]

periodic fasting is actually good for your health.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2003-04-28-fasting_x.htm

MFaraz_Hayat

But this doesnt amount to the amount of fasting that muslims do over the month which is unhealthy.

It's approx 12-14 hours a day. So kinda like intermittent-fasting (which is good) i.e. eat at alternate days.

I understand. But this is the reason its unhealthy. Ramadan happens to land during school and many kids take P.E. Its not healthy to run a mile every week or so and participate in playing sports while fasting for the whole month from sunset to sunrise. Your links are periodic fastings but not to the scale of what muslims have to do.

It also happens to be very hot around this time and fasting is even harder. Running for p.e becomes even harder and the weather takes its toll on the body. Your basically forcing yourself not to eat when you really need to. Water is essential but that too is not allowed.

Of course many muslims dont understand what they need to eat as well. Complex carbohydrates or slow digesting foods would be good for sahur i recommend to those who are fasting. Eat a lot of dairy, fish, meat, wheat, oat, beans, rice.

Islamic Calender is based on moon. Therefore, the seasons in which Ramadan strikes a country keep changing(so it is fair for muslims, all over the world).

Plus, the fasting proved to be beneficial is intermittent-fasting which is approximately the same.

As far as the exercise is concerned, it can be carried out at Sahur ( I do it, and drink after it). It helps me get fresh, and is really great. Plus, waking up early morning and exercising does have it's benefits.

At school, the child can give an application(if he wants).

Do you know, many people here in Karachi think that eating fish and dairy products together causes skin pigmentation. :D

I've never heard of the application routine they just failed me :P Oh your speaking about Pakistan, well i suppose there its different but in America they made me run.

So they do they choose not to eat fish and dairy all together because its really good for you :lol:

But once again intermittent fasting is still not healthy to those who are still growing. Children who carry out fasts for the whole month have even a higher chance of becoming sick than the adults. They are far more vulnerable.

Fasting is compulsary, only after puberty ( i think). But I assure you, it is not obligatory on little children. If anyone forces them to fast, he is wrong. You can just google, to check that fasting is not obligatory in various circumstances.

I understand. But children after puberty who are still 14 or 15 or 16 or 17 are still children.

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[QUOTE="TheLastPrincess"][QUOTE="armen925"]

There are children who fast for the whole month fasting is not only for the adults.

armen925

What's your point? Do you haveany evidence to back your statement that it's unhealthy? Any research papers perhaps?

Even then, when you say "children", what age are you referring to? 10? 13? 16? 18?

My point is that my muslim brother or sister here is still young. Perhaps 14-18 im guessing. He came here stating that he wants to eat. I say eat. His parents say no. He shouldnt be fasting is my first point.

My second point is that muslim children start fasting around 14 or 15 even 13. You truly believe, with all your heart, that this is healthy?

You do not need research papers to see this habibi. :oops:

Ah, I see your point. The way you posed your statement earlier had me thinking you meant something otherwise.

As for children fasting at that age 13 - 14. It depends on the child really. However, I see your point now.

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[QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"][QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"][QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"][QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="Ontain"]

periodic fasting is actually good for your health.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2003-04-28-fasting_x.htm

armen925

But this doesnt amount to the amount of fasting that muslims do over the month which is unhealthy.

It's approx 12-14 hours a day. So kinda like intermittent-fasting (which is good) i.e. eat at alternate days.

I understand. But this is the reason its unhealthy. Ramadan happens to land during school and many kids take P.E. Its not healthy to run a mile every week or so and participate in playing sports while fasting for the whole month from sunset to sunrise. Your links are periodic fastings but not to the scale of what muslims have to do.

It also happens to be very hot around this time and fasting is even harder. Running for p.e becomes even harder and the weather takes its toll on the body. Your basically forcing yourself not to eat when you really need to. Water is essential but that too is not allowed.

Of course many muslims dont understand what they need to eat as well. Complex carbohydrates or slow digesting foods would be good for sahur i recommend to those who are fasting. Eat a lot of dairy, fish, meat, wheat, oat, beans, rice.

Islamic Calender is based on moon. Therefore, the seasons in which Ramadan strikes a country keep changing(so it is fair for muslims, all over the world).

Plus, the fasting proved to be beneficial is intermittent-fasting which is approximately the same.

As far as the exercise is concerned, it can be carried out at Sahur ( I do it, and drink after it). It helps me get fresh, and is really great. Plus, waking up early morning and exercising does have it's benefits.

At school, the child can give an application(if he wants).

Do you know, many people here in Karachi think that eating fish and dairy products together causes skin pigmentation. :D

I've never heard of the application routine they just failed me :P Oh your speaking about Pakistan, well i suppose there its different but in America they made me run.

So they do they choose not to eat fish and dairy all together because its really good for you :lol:

But once again intermittent fasting is still not healthy to those who are still growing. Children who carry out fasts for the whole month have even a higher chance of becoming sick than the adults. They are far more vulnerable.

Fasting is compulsary, only after puberty ( i think). But I assure you, it is not obligatory on little children. If anyone forces them to fast, he is wrong. You can just google, to check that fasting is not obligatory in various circumstances.

I understand. But children after puberty who are still 14 or 15 or 16 or 17 are still children.

To tell you the truth, I am 16......

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[QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"][QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"][QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"][QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="Ontain"]

periodic fasting is actually good for your health.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2003-04-28-fasting_x.htm

MFaraz_Hayat

But this doesnt amount to the amount of fasting that muslims do over the month which is unhealthy.

It's approx 12-14 hours a day. So kinda like intermittent-fasting (which is good) i.e. eat at alternate days.

I understand. But this is the reason its unhealthy. Ramadan happens to land during school and many kids take P.E. Its not healthy to run a mile every week or so and participate in playing sports while fasting for the whole month from sunset to sunrise. Your links are periodic fastings but not to the scale of what muslims have to do.

It also happens to be very hot around this time and fasting is even harder. Running for p.e becomes even harder and the weather takes its toll on the body. Your basically forcing yourself not to eat when you really need to. Water is essential but that too is not allowed.

Of course many muslims dont understand what they need to eat as well. Complex carbohydrates or slow digesting foods would be good for sahur i recommend to those who are fasting. Eat a lot of dairy, fish, meat, wheat, oat, beans, rice.

Islamic Calender is based on moon. Therefore, the seasons in which Ramadan strikes a country keep changing(so it is fair for muslims, all over the world).

Plus, the fasting proved to be beneficial is intermittent-fasting which is approximately the same.

As far as the exercise is concerned, it can be carried out at Sahur ( I do it, and drink after it). It helps me get fresh, and is really great. Plus, waking up early morning and exercising does have it's benefits.

At school, the child can give an application(if he wants).

Do you know, many people here in Karachi think that eating fish and dairy products together causes skin pigmentation. :D

I've never heard of the application routine they just failed me :P Oh your speaking about Pakistan, well i suppose there its different but in America they made me run.

So they do they choose not to eat fish and dairy all together because its really good for you :lol:

But once again intermittent fasting is still not healthy to those who are still growing. Children who carry out fasts for the whole month have even a higher chance of becoming sick than the adults. They are far more vulnerable.

Fasting is compulsary, only after puberty ( i think). But I assure you, it is not obligatory on little children. If anyone forces them to fast, he is wrong. You can just google, to check that fasting is not obligatory in various circumstances.

I understand. But children after puberty who are still 14 or 15 or 16 or 17 are still children.

To tell you the truth, I am 16......

Thats incredible. When i was fasting i didnt start until 17 in a half. The youngest that i see muslims fasting is 13. What is the age in pakistan.

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A few questions for the Muslims in here. I was arguing with a supposed ex-Muslim in another thread earlier, who was making claims that I am 90% sure are absolutely rubbish. I wanted to get a sanity check:

1. He said girlfriend's and boyfriend's are allowed in Islam. I know this is not true, as anything that can lead to "zina" is not allowed. Apparently this is an "extremist" point of view.

2. After correcting the above using hadith, he claimed that unless there are "direct quotes" within context from the Quran, it's not part of Islam. Stating: "these Schools are right in recognizing that the Hadith is a guideline, wrong in thinking that the Hadith as it relates to Muhammad is infallible." and "The Hadiths are not referenced anywhere in the Quran. It is simply a tradition relating to how the Prophet Muhammad lived his life. One can use that as a guideline, but the ultimateand only true authority is the Quran."

Essentially denoucning all schools of Islamic thought. My understanding has always been "Islam is defined by the Quran and Sunna", and that the Quran cannot be fully understood without the Hadith. He even went as far as saying that: "5 Prayers, fasting, etc" --- all things mentioned in Hadith, are hense debatable.


As far as I take it, he's not very knowledgable about Islam. However, if I am wrong, I would like to know. Thanks!

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A few questions for the Muslims in here. I was arguing with a supposed ex-Muslim in another thread earlier, who was making claims that I am 90% sure are absolutely rubbish. I wanted to get a sanity check:

1. He said girlfriend's and boyfriend's are allowed in Islam. I know this is not true, as anything that can lead to "zina" is not allowed.

2. After correcting the above using hadith, he claimed that unless there are "direct quotes" within context from the Quran, it's not part of Islam. Stating: "these Schools are right in recognizing that the Hadith is a guideline, wrong in thinking that the Hadith as it relates to Muhammad is infallible." and "The Hadiths are not referenced anywhere in the Quran. It is simply a tradition relating to how the Prophet Muhammad lived his life. One can use that as a guideline, but the ultimateand only true authority is the Quran."

Essentially denoucning all schools of Islamic thought. Which makes no sense to me.


As far as I take it, he's not very knowledgable about Islam. However, if I am wrong, I would like to know. Thanks!

TheLastPrincess

As far as I know, it is not allowed. I mean, in girlfriend and boyfriend relationship there is kissing, touching etc. and that is not allowed. I am yet to meet someone in such a relationship, that doesn't do all this.(I am open to correction though; I am not a scholar)

As far as no reference of "Hadith in Quran" issue: Well the Quran does state that follow Allah (his word, Quran) and Muhammad (S.A.W.). And since, Hadith is basically how Muhammad (S.A.W.) lived his life it is to be followed.

However, Hadith are only accepted if they are not in conflict with the Quran.

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As far as I know, it is not allowed. I mean, in girlfriend and boyfriend relationship there is kissing, touching etc. and that is not allowed. I am yet to meet someone in such a relationship, that doesn't do all this.(I am open to correction though; I am not a scholar)

As far as no reference of "Hadith in Quran" issue: Well the Quran does state that follow Allah (his word, Quran) and Muhammad (S.A.W.). And since, Hadith is basically how Muhammad (S.A.W.) lived his life it is to be followed.

However, Hadith are only accepted if they are not in conflict with the Quran.

MFaraz_Hayat

That's what I thought. I knew he was fishy. Thanks.

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[QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"][QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"][QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"][QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"][QUOTE="armen925"][QUOTE="Ontain"]

periodic fasting is actually good for your health.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2003-04-28-fasting_x.htm

armen925

But this doesnt amount to the amount of fasting that muslims do over the month which is unhealthy.

It's approx 12-14 hours a day. So kinda like intermittent-fasting (which is good) i.e. eat at alternate days.

I understand. But this is the reason its unhealthy. Ramadan happens to land during school and many kids take P.E. Its not healthy to run a mile every week or so and participate in playing sports while fasting for the whole month from sunset to sunrise. Your links are periodic fastings but not to the scale of what muslims have to do.

It also happens to be very hot around this time and fasting is even harder. Running for p.e becomes even harder and the weather takes its toll on the body. Your basically forcing yourself not to eat when you really need to. Water is essential but that too is not allowed.

Of course many muslims dont understand what they need to eat as well. Complex carbohydrates or slow digesting foods would be good for sahur i recommend to those who are fasting. Eat a lot of dairy, fish, meat, wheat, oat, beans, rice.

Islamic Calender is based on moon. Therefore, the seasons in which Ramadan strikes a country keep changing(so it is fair for muslims, all over the world).

Plus, the fasting proved to be beneficial is intermittent-fasting which is approximately the same.

As far as the exercise is concerned, it can be carried out at Sahur ( I do it, and drink after it). It helps me get fresh, and is really great. Plus, waking up early morning and exercising does have it's benefits.

At school, the child can give an application(if he wants).

Do you know, many people here in Karachi think that eating fish and dairy products together causes skin pigmentation. :D

I've never heard of the application routine they just failed me :P Oh your speaking about Pakistan, well i suppose there its different but in America they made me run.

So they do they choose not to eat fish and dairy all together because its really good for you :lol:

But once again intermittent fasting is still not healthy to those who are still growing. Children who carry out fasts for the whole month have even a higher chance of becoming sick than the adults. They are far more vulnerable.

Fasting is compulsary, only after puberty ( i think). But I assure you, it is not obligatory on little children. If anyone forces them to fast, he is wrong. You can just google, to check that fasting is not obligatory in various circumstances.

I understand. But children after puberty who are still 14 or 15 or 16 or 17 are still children.

To tell you the truth, I am 16......

Thats incredible. When i was fasting i didnt start until 17 in a half. The youngest that i see muslims fasting is 13. What is the age in pakistan.

There is no fixed age. In Pakistan I have seen people, b/w 13-17, fasting.