I can always come over to this part of the world and take care of this little group. Nothing can stand in the way of a annoyed Scottish person who happens to be an hybrid as some of my friends put it. Am also known to be a bit crazy by some people such as when playing football tackling people twice the height of me and when playing paintball throwing my body on the ground head first for cover.
if you are a female, you will have no chance of escaping. there are so many "mercy" killing in the muslim immigrants here in canada. so many times i've seen on the news that a father killed his daughter because she was not covering her head, or was going out with a white boy. unless you run away, i don't think you will get out.
if you are a male, you might (though very slim chance) be able to escape. put up with it for now, but then become more and more independent. go to university/college, get a degree, move out, get your own place, and slowly distance yourself from your parents and your religion.
I wouldn't support them. Sometimes you need to do things on you benefit. At the end, "humanity" doesn't give a crap about non famous people no matter what actions you take.
You need to leave the group if that isn't your worldview anymore. Although, I must say becoming an atheist won't solve your religious problems. Better to investigate Christianity.
Also, I don't know how much you know about social science, but from what you told me your family seems to have more of honor/shame and collectivisit mindset, which is unlike the individualist and guilt-culture of the Western world (neither is better than the other). This is probably why your father would say you leaving the group would be worst than death for the family. It would bring shame on your family (collectivisist societies give priority to the group over the individual, this could explain why he's more concerned about that than with you being honest with what you have come to believe).
if you are a female, you will have no chance of escaping. there are so many "mercy" killing in the muslim immigrants here in canada. so many times i've seen on the news that a father killed his daughter because she was not covering her head, or was going out with a white boy. unless you run away, i don't think you will get out.
if you are a male, you might (though very slim chance) be able to escape. put up with it for now, but then become more and more independent. go to university/college, get a degree, move out, get your own place, and slowly distance yourself from your parents and your religion.
Anonymous_2
I am male and well there arent any of those problems. The only thing I'll lose is respect among my social family circle. It will also be adivced by the head of the jammat to all the other people to not have social relations with me. However that's just about it, there's never been a case of violence in this sect.
You have to do, what you feel is right for yourself. If everyone followed the mold and did what everyone else did, the world would be a pretty bland place now wouldn't it? I'm not saying just go ahead and leave. Consider your options. Voice your concerns to your family. And then make your decision.
The only problem I have with religion nowadays is that religion is so organized that the practitioners and followers believe what they do out of necessity. It's drilled into them. There's no more blind faith.
Who says you still can't follow your faith devoutly, and yet live life on your own terms?
[QUOTE="Anonymous_2"]I am in an incredibly difficult situation. I was born in the ahmedi sect of Islam. This is basically as organised a religion as organised religion gets. In order to be part of this group which is called the "jammat" you have to pay a certain proportion from your income monthly as long as you are above poverty line. The money is used to finance the activities of the group which are all done for the "service of humanity". However these services include things like financing the study of future theologians who have dedicated their lives to the casue of Islam. It goes furthur, the ones who totally give their lifes to the jammat will be fed through that money since they will do full time non-profit work. These people arent even taught evolution(lol) and yet are apparantly going to spread Islam throughout the world. become a sunni 8) im one and we just do zakat and stuff and we can donate to any charity we want. I simply cannot support this "disservice of humanity". These people are deluded by only one side of the story to the point of no return. And secondly there are FAR better things I can do in the name of humanity with the money(and I really want to do alot).:| Now the problem is that everyone in my family and basically pretty much everyone of the hundereds of thousands of people in this group pay the money to the system. If I dont pay then I am "kicked out" of the group, the first casualty in my family line of generations. My father says that if it happens then "It would be worse than death". And yes he is "serious" I know how emotional he is about it. And btw the amount is very very significant, 7% of your monthly income. What should I do? My reason just cannot allow me anymore to be part of this group, but my parents will be very hurt.:( And yes I have tried to convince them to come out of this fundamentalist appraoch towards their religion so many times but they apparantly have had personal experiences that can never unconvince them.
ok sry im a sunni muslim and i have to say u should not change religions, just leave the ahmedi sect. u can donate to any charity but it has to be 7% of ur income in my family. If u dont like the ways dont follow them simple as that
If you don't believe in the cause, then you can't support it. You're going to have to find a way to break it to your parents that you just can't see eye to eye with them. Probably move away and start fresh. I won't sugar-coat things, you can hope your parents will understand, but don't count on it. You may lose contact with home for a while, possibly a long while. But eventually your family will forgive you, even if it takes something drastic happening.
ok sry im a sunni muslim and i have to say u should not change religions, just leave the ahmedi sect. u can donate to any charity but it has to be 7% of ur income in my family. If u dont like the ways dont follow them simple as that
yarou1000
Well, I think hes the best person to ask, considering that he is Muslim, and well, I'm an aithiest.
this could change your life and your childrens lives. What country do you live in? and if you have enough (and are old enough) then getting out would be your best bet but NOBODY here can truly say anything because we just don't know what's all going on. You seem to speak good english so if you make the choice to start things over how you want it i suggest a western country. I live in U.S and things are kinda tough with the economy here so it'd be hard to get started but it can happen if you try.
I'm Catholic so I've heard somewhat of religons like this but I don't know for sure what goes on.
ok sry im a sunni muslim and i have to say u should not change religions, just leave the ahmedi sect. u can donate to any charity but it has to be 7% of ur income in my family. If u dont like the ways dont follow them simple as that
bronxxbombers
Well, I think hes the best person to ask, considering that he is Muslim, and well, I'm an aithiest. yea thanks for the vote of confidence man........another tip i thought of is if u dont want to leave try and enlitghen ur community about its single mindedness, among my parents and their friends there are always discussions about what is better and etc.
[QUOTE="Anonymous_2"]My father says that if it happens then "It would be worse than death". And yes he is "serious" I know how emotional he is about it. Ummmm.... kill your father? Nah that's probably not a good idea. In my view you have two options: 1 you pay the tax and just put up with it 2 You refuse, get kicked out of your religious group, get disowned by your family and become a cultural outcast. The question you have to ask yourself is can you handle the consequences of option #2 because if not by process of elimination there's only one other thing to do.
You have to ask yourself: What's more important to me....to stand by my convictions and face the consequences, or to betray them to please those closest to me? You're right, it's a very difficult situation. It's easy for me to say do the former, but that's my advice....however hard it may be. You're your own man, if you bring in your own income and support yourself, no one has a say as to what you do with your own money. Hopefully one day your family will come to understand this.
[QUOTE="Anonymous_2"]My father says that if it happens then "It would be worse than death". And yes he is "serious" I know how emotional he is about it. domatron23
Ummmm.... kill your father? Nah that's probably not a good idea. In my view you have two options: 1 you pay the tax and just put up with it 2 You refuse, get kicked out of your religious group, get disowned by your family and become a cultural outcast. The question you have to ask yourself is can you handle the consequences of option #2 because if not by process of elimination there's only one other thing to do. If he is a Ahmedi, he is most likely from the indian subcontinent. Parents over their are a bit too emotional. They like to convince with emotion rather than logic. They will prolly cry till they eyes become red. TC, if you see reasons to leave the sect, tell your parents and then leave. I know some history of that sect and the claims that miraza ghulam ahmed made and the way that he died tells me what kind of group it is.
Leave the group period. Think about it how does funding "theoligans" help? It doesn't your better off giving money to charity than this so called "theoligans". Don't believe that worse than death crap, you can go on with Islam like you always did you, don't have to be part of a group of Islam to be a Muslim. If you parent argue tell them how you feel about the situation if you they still argue tell them it is YOUR decision and YOUR life, you no longer see a reason why to give 7% of your income to a bunch of "theoligans".
I guess if you leave, you can forget all contact with your family and anyone in that sect. If you leave. Do you have any kind of network of people you know outside this organization?
[QUOTE="domatron23"] Ummmm.... kill your father? Nah that's probably not a good idea. In my view you have two options: 1 you pay the tax and just put up with it 2 You refuse, get kicked out of your religious group, get disowned by your family and become a cultural outcast. The question you have to ask yourself is can you handle the consequences of option #2 because if not by process of elimination there's only one other thing to do.Anonymous_2
If he is a Ahmedi, he is most likely from the indian subcontinent. Parents over their are a bit too emotional. They like to convince with emotion rather than logic. They will prolly cry till they eyes become red. TC, if you see reasons to leave the sect, tell your parents and then leave. I know some history of that sect and the claims that miraza ghulam ahmed made and the way that he died tells me what kind of group it is.Ya I am from pakistan.
Btw mirza ghulam ahmed didnt really die in the toilet, it's a myth created just like it's done of controversial people.
We'll it's you or your parents. A simple although difficult decision. Express your views to them. Say you don't believe in the way Jammat (correct?) works and you wish to aid the cause in a different way. Maybe they'll see you as a crusader of sorts.
When people are stuck in there ways its very hard to convince them otherwise, what i would do is continue to pay until you can escape the life perminetly by moving away and getting on with your life without it. If there is a possibility that your parents will disconect with you then you have to decide what come first your parents traditions or what you feel is really important.
LOL, IDK. 
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