onotologocal argument for god

so in religin class we r learngin about de LOGOCAL argument for gods existance. now my hole life i always had faith but now i see dat there REAL EVIDENCE on proff for god to exist for example

we learned about anslems onotologocal argment wich goes like "god most powerful imaginable thing in the unvierse but you can't imagine anything more powerful so he must exits"

i dunno i think i m not wording it properly may-b anyone else will tell it better but what ar your thouts on it? i am amazed by its logic cus it really blew my mind when i herd it. there were others to but i forgot.

You can't argue with logic.

You can't argue with logic.

entropyecho

You can't argue with logic.

entropyecho

If this blew your mind, you must not have taken a philosophy class before... :P

Ontological arguments for God are at best interesting exercises in the meanings of words, and at worst complete and utter exercises in tedium.

[QUOTE="entropyecho"]

You can't argue with logic.

carrot-cake

I can't imagine it in this thread, so it must exist.

Q.E.D.

Werll I'm glad we've now cleared that up

*trudges off to church to repent*

[QUOTE="entropyecho"]

You can't argue with logic.

PhotinusPyralis

The letters "O" and "I" are right next to each other in a QWERTY keyboard.

Q.E.D.

"we r learngin about de LOGOCAL"

the ontological argument summed up

"I beleive in god. therefore he exists"

its so mindblowing :roll:

wow i lik how you all only talk about me spelling becus i bet u ar all ateist and cant actually argue against this rashional argument ;)Be4tsnRhym3s

Ontology is only relevant if you are interested in the development of philosophy.

Metaphysics has been outdated for some time now.

I strongly believe in God. I just do not believe this argument you posted really proves anything though.

wow i lik how you all only talk about me spelling becus i bet u ar all ateist and cant actually argue against this rashional argument ;)Be4tsnRhym3s

You didn't even formulate it correctly; the version you presented makes no sense at all. There's a big difference between a good argument and one whose conclusion you already agreed with, and given that you don't even seem to know how the argument goes, I'm rather suspicious that the latter is the case.

People have thought up things way more powerful than God. Example [spoiler] [/spoiler] Lonelynight

I'm just not seeing it. A big bad scary dude with light sabers. :lol:

[QUOTE="Be4tsnRhym3s"]wow i lik how you all only talk about me spelling becus i bet u ar all ateist and cant actually argue against this rashional argument ;)GabuEx

You didn't even formulate it correctly; the version you presented makes no sense at all. There's a big difference between a good argument and one whose conclusion you already agreed with, and given that you don't even seem to know how the argument goes, I'm rather suspicious that the latter is the case.

Gabu, you're as adorable as the chocobos in your sig and avy, but I really think this thread isn't meant to be serious.

I'm just not seeing it. A big bad scary dude with light sabers. :lol:

GTbiking4life

Where is your God now?

This will end in a spectacular fashion. :lol:

Gabu, you're as adorable as the chocobos in your sig and avy, but I really think this thread isn't meant to be serious.

entropyecho

I can't help myself. :(

[QUOTE="GTbiking4life"]

I'm just not seeing it. A big bad scary dude with light sabers. :lol:

entropyecho

Where is your God now?

Why do you want to know? Is that big bad scary dude coming to get me? :lol:

For fun, I put the TC's posts through a text-to-speech converter. Hilarity ensued.

For fun, I put the TC's posts through a text-to-speech converter. Hilarity ensued.

Frattracide

That's an excellent idea :lol:

I hated this argument in Philosophy. If I remember correctly, the whole argument is based on a logical fallacy or a false premise.mattbbpl

For fun, I put the TC's posts through a text-to-speech converter. Hilarity ensued.

Frattracide

Is there a free one on the Internet?

For fun, I put the TC's posts through a text-to-speech converter. Hilarity ensued.

Frattracide

[QUOTE="Frattracide"]

For fun, I put the TC's posts through a text-to-speech converter. Hilarity ensued.

GTbiking4life

Is there a free one on the Internet?

Speakonia. Great for proof reading.

Interesting thought: it isn't humanly possible to think of something you've never seen. Even when kids imagine seeing monsters, it's based off real animals they've seen, usually just rearranged in new ways. New creatures on video games and movies are all based on real things but with added limbs and spikes etc. If you had never seen "red" you would have no way of ever imagining "red," it's simply not possible. Even the typical image of "aliens has a basis in what people have seen. (If you want to know exactly where the original image for aliens came from I can explain it in my next message.)

All that being said, if you cannot possibly imagine something you've never seen or heard of before, where did the idea of God come from? If they didn't know what a god was or had never heard of him the Greeks could have never worshipped Zeus, and probably would've never even came up with the idea. They would've come up with other reasons for things in nature besides the gods.

To prove this point can you imagine, accurately, what a Brazzelite looks like?

mariomaster16

[QUOTE="entropyecho"]

[QUOTE="GTbiking4life"]

I'm just not seeing it. A big bad scary dude with light sabers. :lol:

GTbiking4life

Where is your God now?

Why do you want to know? Is that big bad scary dude coming to get me? :lol:

He is about as real as God my friend:D

[QUOTE="GTbiking4life"]

[QUOTE="entropyecho"]

Where is your God now?

lawlnametaken

Why do you want to know? Is that big bad scary dude coming to get me? :lol:

He is about as real as God my friend:D

sure he is. :D

Interesting thought: it isn't humanly possible to think of something you've never seen. Even when kids imagine seeing monsters, it's based off real animals they've seen, usually just rearranged in new ways. New creatures on video games and movies are all based on real things but with added limbs and spikes etc. If you had never seen "red" you would have no way of ever imagining "red," it's simply not possible. Even the typical image of "aliens has a basis in what people have seen. (If you want to know exactly where the original image for aliens came from I can explain it in my next message.)

All that being said, if you cannot possibly imagine something you've never seen or heard of before, where did the idea of God come from? If they didn't know what a god was or had never heard of him the Greeks could have never worshipped Zeus, and probably would've never even came up with the idea. They would've come up with other reasons for things in nature besides the gods.

To prove this point can you imagine, accurately, what a Brazzelite looks like?

mariomaster16

Zeus Is a Powerful man, one who is more powerful than anyone else. The Greeks knew what men were and they new what power was. He hurls lighting like a spear. The Greeks knew what weapons were. Zeus Had all sorts of human qualities like anger and lust and pride, but those aspects were large than life. Zeus was an anthropomorphic reference to nature, very much a human. He was based on a real thing, just with exaggerated characteristics.

From what I have seen, there are two types of gods. Ones who's qualities are hyperbole and ones who's qualities are indistinguishable from non-existence

Thumb up if you came here from a rancid CocoJuggs argument. cybrcatter

Thumbs up!

[QUOTE="lawlnametaken"]

[QUOTE="GTbiking4life"]

Why do you want to know? Is that big bad scary dude coming to get me? :lol:

GTbiking4life

He is about as real as God my friend:D

sure he is. :D

I was raised chatholic and now I guess you could call me an athiest but I don't like being labeled as something.

The point is there is no point in Religion and it serves no purpose, my mom tells me without god in your life there is no point, its all about money if your not god centered. It bugs me. If every church goer stoped going and did one hour of community service each sunday as opposed to one hour of church then they would be spending thier time wisely instead of being drones and listening to fairy tales.

also religion /=/ morals

people tend to think you need religion to be a good person, do good thing and have morals

not true.

So my post is a mess with no structure of organization, sorry I just wanted to get some stuff of my chest:D

I'm guessing this is a junior high school "religion" cIass? An "ontological" argument is not an empirical argument that is actually "fact." It is an argument based on a presupposition that has to be accepted before the ontology is "true."

I never liked the ontological argument.

so he must exits Be4tsnRhym3s

All that being said, if you cannot possibly imagine something you've never seen or heard of before, where did the idea of God come from?

mariomaster16

"If our fathers were our models for God, and our fathers have abandoned us, then what does that tell us about God?"

[QUOTE="GTbiking4life"]

[QUOTE="lawlnametaken"]

He is about as real as God my friend:D

lawlnametaken

sure he is. :D

I was raised chatholic and now I guess you could call me an athiest but I don't like being labeled as something.

The point is there is no point in Religion and it serves no purpose, my mom tells me without god in your life there is no point, its all about money if your not god centered. It bugs me. If every church goer stoped going and did one hour of community service each sunday as opposed to one hour of church then they would be spending thier time wisely instead of being drones and listening to fairy tales.

also religion /=/ morals

people tend to think you need religion to be a good person, do good thing and have morals

not true.

So my post is a mess with no structure of organization, sorry I just wanted to get some stuff of my chest:D

I agree with you for the most part. I'm not religious because I need to be to have good morals. I'm religious because I want to be. I go to Church every Sunday in addition to helping others and the community. I used to be non-religious (Agnostic) and I chose a different path later in life. I chose to become a Christian. It has been 20 years now and have never regretted my decision. I have a testimony that God does exist and that God loves each and every one of us.

Keep in mind though that your argument does not really quite make sense to me. In essence you can say the same about everything. If people would not get on GameSpot and do 1 hour of community service instead, their time would be used much more wisely.

The scriptures are not a bunch of fairy tales. You can believe that if you will. That's your choice. I believe the scriptures are true and read them every chance I get. I am also not a drone. I actually have a brain and I love to use it. Attending Church has never and will never turn me into a drone.

what is this nonsense