opeth is AMAZING

Hell yeah:D

Their albums in order of awesomeness: Blackwater Park, Morningrise, Delivernace, Still Life, Damnation, Watershed, My Arms Your Herse, Orchid

Blackwater Park, Deliverance, Ghost Reveries... Hell, every Opeth album is pretty damn good. New one disappointed me a bit though.

You just figured this out :P

and Blackwater Park is my favorite

Amazing band :P

yeah, i really enjoy there classical soft guitar stuff, and they use some really weird chords sometimes,their not a band to rely on just the power chord.serjitup

Blackwater Park, Deliverance, Ghost Reveries... Hell, every Opeth album is pretty damn good. New one disappointed me a bit though.

Vfanek

I'm liking Watershed way more than Ghost Reveries so far.

I'm pretty new to the death metal scene. I just discovered Children of Bodom and In Flames a few weeks ago. Does Opeth sound anything like them?HardQuor

[QUOTE="HardQuor"]I'm pretty new to the death metal scene. I just discovered Children of Bodom and In Flames a few weeks ago. Does Opeth sound anything like them?DivergeUnify

less melodic? less heavy? more heavy? more growl?

Come on, i'm interested.

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="HardQuor"]I'm pretty new to the death metal scene. I just discovered Children of Bodom and In Flames a few weeks ago. Does Opeth sound anything like them?HardQuor

less melodic? less heavy? more heavy? more growl?

Come on, i'm interested.

Opeth is a progressive metal band. They used to be progressive death metal but they've changed since their debut album.

Children of Bodom and In Flames are far from death metal though, and by no means in the "death metal scene". Children of Bodom are.. I don't even know, something that's not death metal. Progressive melodeath with a touch of metalcore?

In Flames used to be melodeath, now they're just crap.

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="HardQuor"]I'm pretty new to the death metal scene. I just discovered Children of Bodom and In Flames a few weeks ago. Does Opeth sound anything like them?HardQuor

less melodic? less heavy? more heavy? more growl?

Come on, i'm interested.

If you want something significantly shorter, check out "Credence"

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="HardQuor"]I'm pretty new to the death metal scene. I just discovered Children of Bodom and In Flames a few weeks ago. Does Opeth sound anything like them?HardQuor

less melodic? less heavy? more heavy? more growl?

Come on, i'm interested.

Heir Apparent

Burden

The Lotus Eater

[QUOTE="HardQuor"]

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="HardQuor"]I'm pretty new to the death metal scene. I just discovered Children of Bodom and In Flames a few weeks ago. Does Opeth sound anything like them?DivergeUnify

less melodic? less heavy? more heavy? more growl?

Come on, i'm interested.

If you want something significantly shorter, check out "Credence"

Check out Harvest, Locus Eater, Heir Apparent, Demon of the Fall, Face of Melinda

Still their greatest song.

Although Blackwater Park is their best album.

i used to like opeth a lot, but i grew out of them. as i heard more and more death metal, each separate opeth riff just wasnt as impressive. and the composition itself just isnt that great because opeth seem to have this goal to make every song 10+ minutes when their material simply doesnt support it. most pieces drag on much longer than they should, seemingly to meet their 10 minute goal. their songs are made less like an intricately woven fabric and more like a patchwork quilt. its a step up over many bands, but its still just one riff patched on to the next.

i think "deliverance" is the best example of this.

i think "deliverance" is the best example of this.

LoG-Sacrament

Incidentally also their worst album by far :P

I think it's true for some of their stuff but the whole of Blackwater Park and many other of their songs are simply amazing IMO.

i used to like opeth a lot, but i grew out of them. as i heard more and more death metal, each separate opeth riff just wasnt as impressive. and the composition itself just isnt that great because opeth seem to have this goal to make every song 10+ minutes when their material simply doesnt support it. most pieces drag on much longer than they should, seemingly to meet their 10 minute goal. their songs are made less like an intricately woven fabric and more like a patchwork quilt. its a step up over many bands, but its still just one riff patched on to the next.

i think "deliverance" is the best example of this.

LoG-Sacrament

[QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"]

i used to like opeth a lot, but i grew out of them. as i heard more and more death metal, each separate opeth riff just wasnt as impressive. and the composition itself just isnt that great because opeth seem to have this goal to make every song 10+ minutes when their material simply doesnt support it. most pieces drag on much longer than they should, seemingly to meet their 10 minute goal. their songs are made less like an intricately woven fabric and more like a patchwork quilt. its a step up over many bands, but its still just one riff patched on to the next.

i think "deliverance" is the best example of this.

Trashface

it seems odd that you cant give a reason why you like them so much, and just give negative statements of my arguments in defense.

[QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"]

i used to like opeth a lot, but i grew out of them. as i heard more and more death metal, each separate opeth riff just wasnt as impressive. and the composition itself just isnt that great because opeth seem to have this goal to make every song 10+ minutes when their material simply doesnt support it. most pieces drag on much longer than they should, seemingly to meet their 10 minute goal. their songs are made less like an intricately woven fabric and more like a patchwork quilt. its a step up over many bands, but its still just one riff patched on to the next.

i think "deliverance" is the best example of this.

LoG-Sacrament

it seems odd that you cant give a reason why you like them so much, and just give negative statements of my arguments in defense.

Funny that someone with LoG-Sacrament in his nickname goes on about how much better death metal is than Opeth due to Opeth not being as 'impressive'.

[QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"]

i used to like opeth a lot, but i grew out of them. as i heard more and more death metal, each separate opeth riff just wasnt as impressive. and the composition itself just isnt that great because opeth seem to have this goal to make every song 10+ minutes when their material simply doesnt support it. most pieces drag on much longer than they should, seemingly to meet their 10 minute goal. their songs are made less like an intricately woven fabric and more like a patchwork quilt. its a step up over many bands, but its still just one riff patched on to the next.

i think "deliverance" is the best example of this.

Vfanek

it seems odd that you cant give a reason why you like them so much, and just give negative statements of my arguments in defense.

Funny that someone with LoG-Sacrament in his nickname goes on about how much better death metal is than Opeth due to Opeth not being as 'impressive'.

because i made my account when i first getting into metal and have since moved on to better bands. i just dont care enough to change my account name.

[QUOTE="Vfanek"][QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"]

i used to like opeth a lot, but i grew out of them. as i heard more and more death metal, each separate opeth riff just wasnt as impressive. and the composition itself just isnt that great because opeth seem to have this goal to make every song 10+ minutes when their material simply doesnt support it. most pieces drag on much longer than they should, seemingly to meet their 10 minute goal. their songs are made less like an intricately woven fabric and more like a patchwork quilt. its a step up over many bands, but its still just one riff patched on to the next.

i think "deliverance" is the best example of this.

LoG-Sacrament

it seems odd that you cant give a reason why you like them so much, and just give negative statements of my arguments in defense.

Funny that someone with LoG-Sacrament in his nickname goes on about how much better death metal is than Opeth due to Opeth not being as 'impressive'.

because i made my account when i first getting into metal and have since moved on to better bands. i just dont care enough to change my account name.

Your statements about Opeth are as close to 'false' as any music related statements can be. In the same way a lot of people debunk death metal, black metal or.. metal in general, you say Opeth just lacks something.

I agree, Opeth aren't very technical, but this is progressive metal, not technical death metal. What Opeth does isn't just using the same riff 50x to make their song longer. The compositioning skills of the band are very impressive, as the listener can easily get immersed into the music.

Progressive metal isn't something you listen to and wait for the next badass riff, you put it on and just immerse yourself in the music. If there's any band that's managed to pull this off, it's Opeth.

[QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"]

i used to like opeth a lot, but i grew out of them. as i heard more and more death metal, each separate opeth riff just wasnt as impressive. and the composition itself just isnt that great because opeth seem to have this goal to make every song 10+ minutes when their material simply doesnt support it. most pieces drag on much longer than they should, seemingly to meet their 10 minute goal. their songs are made less like an intricately woven fabric and more like a patchwork quilt. its a step up over many bands, but its still just one riff patched on to the next.

i think "deliverance" is the best example of this.

LoG-Sacrament

it seems odd that you cant give a reason why you like them so much, and just give negative statements of my arguments in defense.

I gave you reasons. Song composition, creativity, technical skills, depth, trascending of genres. How can I be more specific?

I put opeth crystals in my lightsabre cuz that makes it real good.Robertoey

Best reply to this thread so far :lol:

Still their greatest song.

Although Blackwater Park is their best album.

inoperativeRS

Woo! (high Five)

My favorites are MAYH and Morningrise. Black Rose immortal is just awesome!

Cool Red Sparowes sig BTW.

[QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"][QUOTE="Vfanek"][QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"]

i used to like opeth a lot, but i grew out of them. as i heard more and more death metal, each separate opeth riff just wasnt as impressive. and the composition itself just isnt that great because opeth seem to have this goal to make every song 10+ minutes when their material simply doesnt support it. most pieces drag on much longer than they should, seemingly to meet their 10 minute goal. their songs are made less like an intricately woven fabric and more like a patchwork quilt. its a step up over many bands, but its still just one riff patched on to the next.

i think "deliverance" is the best example of this.

Vfanek

it seems odd that you cant give a reason why you like them so much, and just give negative statements of my arguments in defense.

Funny that someone with LoG-Sacrament in his nickname goes on about how much better death metal is than Opeth due to Opeth not being as 'impressive'.

because i made my account when i first getting into metal and have since moved on to better bands. i just dont care enough to change my account name.

Your statements about Opeth are as close to 'false' as any music related statements can be. In the same way a lot of people debunk death metal, black metal or.. metal in general, you say Opeth just lacks something.

I agree, Opeth aren't very technical, but this is progressive metal, not technical death metal. What Opeth does isn't just using the same riff 50x to make their song longer. The compositioning skills of the band are very impressive, as the listener can easily get immersed into the music.

Progressive metal isn't something you listen to and wait for the next badass riff, you put it on and just immerse yourself in the music. If there's any band that's managed to pull this off, it's Opeth.

i didnt say it lacks "something". i basically said they are a reasonably talented band that thinks they are an immensely talented band.

you have to go one way or the other if youre using repetition for immersion. you cant just use the same riff for 2-3 minutes and then just move on to the next. if you are going for a low commitment sound, you dont try to variate as much as opeth. they are obviously trying to tell a story in their albums and in that aspect they either dont tell enough or tell the same thing over and over again.

and thats not to say i dont like low commitment music. shining has some very effective songs and i love burzum's ambient work.

i think gordian knot (though they admittedly ride the line between rock and metal) mixes low and high commitment music very well. they use soundscapes and the like to bring the listener in to the album. once the listener is drawn in, the band treats them to technical, powerful, and beautiful songs that are a creative experience just to listen to.

and again, thats not to say i hate opeth. i just dont put them on the pedistal like many others do. if somebody loves opeth, then im glad they are getting some enjoyment.

[QUOTE="inoperativeRS"]

Still their greatest song.

Although Blackwater Park is their best album.

tri-edge99

Woo! (high Five)

My favorites are MAYH and Morningrise. Black Rose immortal is just awesome!

Cool Red Sparowes sig BTW.

Yeah MAYH is definitely an awesome album as well. And Red Sparowes are, like, totally the greatest band evah :P

[QUOTE="Vfanek"][QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"][QUOTE="Vfanek"][QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"]

i used to like opeth a lot, but i grew out of them. as i heard more and more death metal, each separate opeth riff just wasnt as impressive. and the composition itself just isnt that great because opeth seem to have this goal to make every song 10+ minutes when their material simply doesnt support it. most pieces drag on much longer than they should, seemingly to meet their 10 minute goal. their songs are made less like an intricately woven fabric and more like a patchwork quilt. its a step up over many bands, but its still just one riff patched on to the next.

i think "deliverance" is the best example of this.

LoG-Sacrament

it seems odd that you cant give a reason why you like them so much, and just give negative statements of my arguments in defense.

Funny that someone with LoG-Sacrament in his nickname goes on about how much better death metal is than Opeth due to Opeth not being as 'impressive'.

because i made my account when i first getting into metal and have since moved on to better bands. i just dont care enough to change my account name.

Your statements about Opeth are as close to 'false' as any music related statements can be. In the same way a lot of people debunk death metal, black metal or.. metal in general, you say Opeth just lacks something.

I agree, Opeth aren't very technical, but this is progressive metal, not technical death metal. What Opeth does isn't just using the same riff 50x to make their song longer. The compositioning skills of the band are very impressive, as the listener can easily get immersed into the music.

Progressive metal isn't something you listen to and wait for the next badass riff, you put it on and just immerse yourself in the music. If there's any band that's managed to pull this off, it's Opeth.

i didnt say it lacks "something". i basically said they are a reasonably talented band that thinks they are an immensely talented band.

you have to go one way or the other if youre using repetition for immersion. you cant just use the same riff for 2-3 minutes and then just move on to the next. if you are going for a low commitment sound, you dont try to variate as much as opeth. they are obviously trying to tell a story in their albums and in that aspect they either dont tell enough or tell the same thing over and over again.

and thats not to say i dont like low commitment music. shining has some very effective songs and i love burzum's ambient work.

i think gordian knot (though they admittedly ride the line between rock and metal) mixes low and high commitment music very well. they use soundscapes and the like to bring the listener in to the album. once the listener is drawn in, the band treats them to technical, powerful, and beautiful songs that are a creative experience just to listen to.

and again, thats not to say i hate opeth. i just dont put them on the pedistal like many others do. if somebody loves opeth, then im glad they are getting some enjoyment.

By saying you can't have the same riff for a long period of time you're debunking a lot of bands. Mayhem's masterpiece "De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas" does it, quite a lot. Darkthrone's "Transilvanian Hunger", and can't believe you brought Burzum in. Their best album "Hvis Lyset Tar Oss" isn't exactly the most varied and technical album out there, yet it's absolutely phenomenal.

Opeth are telling stories in their albums, aye. But personally I don't find lyrics to be the most important part of music, but musically they're telling this story as well. Listening to Orchid, an extremely repetitive album I still get a sense of calm from it, and I can definitely feel the progression through the album. It's repetitive, but it's just what it should be. It's executed very well.

A gaming example could be used as well. Counter Strike for one, how many times can you venture through De_Dust2 killing terrorists? Quite a lot, it just remains pure ****ing fun.

[QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"]

i used to like opeth a lot, but i grew out of them. as i heard more and more death metal, each separate opeth riff just wasnt as impressive. and the composition itself just isnt that great because opeth seem to have this goal to make every song 10+ minutes when their material simply doesnt support it. most pieces drag on much longer than they should, seemingly to meet their 10 minute goal. their songs are made less like an intricately woven fabric and more like a patchwork quilt. its a step up over many bands, but its still just one riff patched on to the next.

i think "deliverance" is the best example of this.

Trashface

it seems odd that you cant give a reason why you like them so much, and just give negative statements of my arguments in defense.

I gave you reasons. Song composition, creativity, technical skills, depth, trascending of genres. How can I be more specific?

its like you cant simply have a discussion on the band. i say "the length doesnt support the material" (and go into plenty of detail to atleast give you something to comment on specifically), and you simply dismiss it with "the length does supportthe material". its just not an entertaining way to have a discussion. and why do any of us come onto this site? to rattle off yes no yes no?

[QUOTE="tri-edge99"][QUOTE="inoperativeRS"]

Still their greatest song.

Although Blackwater Park is their best album.

inoperativeRS

Woo! (high Five)

My favorites are MAYH and Morningrise. Black Rose immortal is just awesome!

Cool Red Sparowes sig BTW.

Yeah MAYH is definitely an awesome album as well. And Red Sparowes are, like, totally the greatest band evah :P

Ya, I like the older stuff WAY better then their new.

I got The Soundless Dawn a few months ago and ive been hooked ever since. So Ill agree with you. :P

I'm not an Opeth fan, but I do enjoy Harvest a lot.Severed_Hand

You'd probably enjoy the album "Damnation" alot. Its all acoustic and has clean vocals. ;)

[QUOTE="Severed_Hand"]I'm not an Opeth fan, but I do enjoy Harvest a lot.tri-edge99

You'd probably enjoy the album "Damnation" alot. Its all acoustic and has clean vocals. ;)

My brother has all the albums, so ill be sure to check it out soon.

[QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"]

i used to like opeth a lot, but i grew out of them. as i heard more and more death metal, each separate opeth riff just wasnt as impressive. and the composition itself just isnt that great because opeth seem to have this goal to make every song 10+ minutes when their material simply doesnt support it. most pieces drag on much longer than they should, seemingly to meet their 10 minute goal. their songs are made less like an intricately woven fabric and more like a patchwork quilt. its a step up over many bands, but its still just one riff patched on to the next.

i think "deliverance" is the best example of this.

LoG-Sacrament

it seems odd that you cant give a reason why you like them so much, and just give negative statements of my arguments in defense.

I gave you reasons. Song composition, creativity, technical skills, depth, trascending of genres. How can I be more specific?

its like you cant simply have a discussion on the band. i say "the length doesnt support the material" (and go into plenty of detail to atleast give you something to comment on specifically), and you simply dismiss it with "the length does supportthe material". its just not an entertaining way to have a discussion. and why do any of us come onto this site? to rattle off yes no yes no?

Yet you say they aren't as musically impressive as death metal bands. Are you here simply to say what's impressive and what isn't?

That you made the statement is quite bizarre in the first place. Comparing death metal to a progressive death metal bands only shows how much you know of the genres. Sure, progressive death metal obviously has death metal influences (hence the name), but they are two extremely different genres. Same with melodeath and death metal, you simply shouldn't compare the two.

Apples and oranges, in other words.

By saying you can't have the same riff for a long period of time you're debunking a lot of bands. Mayhem's masterpiece "De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas" does it, quite a lot. Darkthrone's "Transilvanian Hunger", and can't believe you brought Burzum in. Their best album "Hvis Lyset Tar Oss" isn't exactly the most varied and technical album out there, yet it's absolutely phenomenal.

Opeth are telling stories in their albums, aye. But personally I don't find lyrics to be the most important part of music, but musically they're telling this story as well. Listening to Orchid, an extremely repetitive album I still get a sense of calm from it, and I can definitely feel the progression through the album. It's repetitive, but it's just what it should be. It's executed very well.

A gaming example could be used as well. Counter Strike for one, how many times can you venture through De_Dust2 killing terrorists? Quite a lot, it just remains pure ****ing fun.vfanek

theres a difference between the way burzum's daudi baldrs album (the style i was referring to when i called it burzum's ambient work. perhaps "purely ambient" wouldve been a better choice of words) uses repetition to quite a different effect. the melodies unfold before the listener as varg introduces slightly more and more, and varg nevers confuses what he's making.

and it is peculiar that you say that lyrics arent the most important part of the song (and i agree) but still support opeth's composition. they dont build on to their melodies. all that changes in the themes is the lyrics. its the only dynamic part. the melodies should build along with lyrics. a creative difference perhaps, but something i feel separates many bands.

[QUOTE="HardQuor"]

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="HardQuor"]I'm pretty new to the death metal scene. I just discovered Children of Bodom and In Flames a few weeks ago. Does Opeth sound anything like them?Vfanek

less melodic? less heavy? more heavy? more growl?

Come on, i'm interested.

Opeth is a progressive metal band. They used to be progressive death metal but they've changed since their debut album.

Children of Bodom and In Flames are far from death metal though, and by no means in the "death metal scene". Children of Bodom are.. I don't even know, something that's not death metal. Progressive melodeath with a touch of metalcore?

In Flames used to be melodeath, now they're just crap.

[QUOTE="Vfanek"][QUOTE="HardQuor"]

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="HardQuor"]I'm pretty new to the death metal scene. I just discovered Children of Bodom and In Flames a few weeks ago. Does Opeth sound anything like them?Erasorn

less melodic? less heavy? more heavy? more growl?

Come on, i'm interested.

Opeth is a progressive metal band. They used to be progressive death metal but they've changed since their debut album.

Children of Bodom and In Flames are far from death metal though, and by no means in the "death metal scene". Children of Bodom are.. I don't even know, something that's not death metal. Progressive melodeath with a touch of metalcore?

In Flames used to be melodeath, now they're just crap.

In what way shape or form are Children of Bodom power metal?

[quote="vfanek"]

By saying you can't have the same riff for a long period of time you're debunking a lot of bands. Mayhem's masterpiece "De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas" does it, quite a lot. Darkthrone's "Transilvanian Hunger", and can't believe you brought Burzum in. Their best album "Hvis Lyset Tar Oss" isn't exactly the most varied and technical album out there, yet it's absolutely phenomenal.

Opeth are telling stories in their albums, aye. But personally I don't find lyrics to be the most important part of music, but musically they're telling this story as well. Listening to Orchid, an extremely repetitive album I still get a sense of calm from it, and I can definitely feel the progression through the album. It's repetitive, but it's just what it should be. It's executed very well.

A gaming example could be used as well. Counter Strike for one, how many times can you venture through De_Dust2 killing terrorists? Quite a lot, it just remains pure ****ing fun.LoG-Sacrament

theres a difference between the way burzum's daudi baldrs album (the style i was referring to when i called it burzum's ambient work. perhaps "purely ambient" wouldve been a better choice of words) uses repetition to quite a different effect. the melodies unfold before the listener as varg introduces slightly more and more, and varg nevers confuses what he's making.

and it is peculiar that you say that lyrics arent the most important part of the song (and i agree) but still support opeth's composition. they dont build on to their melodies. all that changes in the themes is the lyrics. its the only dynamic part. the melodies should build along with lyrics. a creative difference perhaps, but something i feel separates many bands.

Every band doesn't have to follow the same pattern. I'm not sure how Opeth manages to stay repetitive yet sound magnificent, but they do it. There'll obviously be a minority who don't like their music, but the same goes for any band.

Daudi Baldrs is quite a weak album in my opinion, while it works for what it is. An ambient album, it's really not got the musical genius of Varg to really back it up. He made it, but compared to his black metal album's it's a joke.Howhe managed to move from making an album that completely immerses you to an album that's only good as background music is beyond me.

Every band doesn't have to follow the same pattern. I'm not sure how Opeth manages to stay repetitive yet sound magnificent, but they do it. There'll obviously be a minority who don't like their music, but the same goes for any band.

Daudi Baldrs is quite a weak album in my opinion, while it works for what it is. An ambient album, it's really not got the musical genius of Varg to really back it up. He made it, but compared to his black metal album's it's a joke.Howhe managed to move from making an album that completely immerses you to an album that's only good as background music is beyond me.vfanek

well now we are getting to the point where its simply opinion, as we are in agreement about what opeth does but now are simply using subjective words like "magnificent".

as for burzum's daudi baldrs, i think its pretty interesting to look at varg's motives for making it. he obviously didnt like being in jail, and was not allowed to use drums or guitars. he created with what he had music with the purpose of taking the listener to another place because the current world is not a desirable one. jail was varg's world at the time. varg goes so far as to call it a spell, intended to be played in the background as you are in the twilight between asleep and awake.

My Arms Your Hearse, Ghost Reveries, Morningrise, and a few songs off Watershed....

SUPER EDIT: I forgot Damnation, one of their best. I almost listed all their albums :P They are too great to not list most of the albums though....

[QUOTE="Vfanek"][QUOTE="HardQuor"]

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="HardQuor"]I'm pretty new to the death metal scene. I just discovered Children of Bodom and In Flames a few weeks ago. Does Opeth sound anything like them?Erasorn

less melodic? less heavy? more heavy? more growl?

Come on, i'm interested.

Opeth is a progressive metal band. They used to be progressive death metal but they've changed since their debut album.

Children of Bodom and In Flames are far from death metal though, and by no means in the "death metal scene". Children of Bodom are.. I don't even know, something that's not death metal. Progressive melodeath with a touch of metalcore?

In Flames used to be melodeath, now they're just crap.

I can't stand Opeth .

And that is saying something since I love In Flames.

But my favorite right now is amon amarth ... their riffs are amazing and lyrics are very deep.

i used to like opeth a lot, but i grew out of them. as i heard more and more death metal, each separate opeth riff just wasnt as impressive. and the composition itself just isnt that great because opeth seem to have this goal to make every song 10+ minutes when their material simply doesnt support it. most pieces drag on much longer than they should, seemingly to meet their 10 minute goal. their songs are made less like an intricately woven fabric and more like a patchwork quilt. its a step up over many bands, but its still just one riff patched on to the next.

i think "deliverance" is the best example of this.

LoG-Sacrament

I agree completely. Opeth is elementary compared to any real death metal. I really hate when people think death metal is Lamb of God, Children of Bodom, and Opeth. I don't consider any of these bands death metal. They don't represent the best of death metal and don't have any of the qualities that show why death metal is so amazing.