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#1 mythicfiredark
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Who's better Ozzy Osbourneor Alice Cooper? I say it's a draw I like them both equally.

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#2 TehSonofUgly
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Ozzys better, Alice just doesnt have as many good songs IMO

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#3 mythicfiredark
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Ozzys better, Alice just doesnt have as many good songs IMO

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#4 Severed_Hand
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Cooper, Alice.
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#5 XBebop
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Alice Cooper. 40 years of solid music.

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#6 iloverikku11
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Osbourne.

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#7 XBebop
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[QUOTE="TehSonofUgly"]

Ozzys better, Alice just doesnt have as many good songs IMO

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School's out, poison, no more mr nice guy.

Those aren't even his best songs! Only Women Bleed, Public Animal #9, Killer, The Ballad of Dwight Fry, Is It My Body, The Last Temptation, Welcome To My Nightmare, Generation Landslide, Go To Hell, It's Much Too Late, From The Inside, and I Love The Dead. And that's not even half of his great songs.
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#8 mythicfiredark
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[QUOTE="mythicfiredark"][QUOTE="TehSonofUgly"]

Ozzys better, Alice just doesnt have as many good songs IMO

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School's out, poison, no more mr nice guy.

Those aren't even his best songs! Only Women Bleed, Public Animal #9, Killer, The Ballad of Dwight Fry, Is It My Body, The Last Temptation, Welcome To My Nightmare, Generation Landslide, Go To Hell, It's Much Too Late, From The Inside, and I Love The Dead. And that's not even half of his great songs.

I was listing songs that non-cooper fans like.

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#9 _en1gma_
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Gonna have to go with Ozzy.
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#10 XBebop
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I love the dead before theyre cold
Theyre bluing flesh for me to hold
Cadaver eyes upon me see... nothing
I love the dead before they rise
No farewells, no goodbyes
I never knew your rotting face
While friends and lovers mourn your silly grave
I have other uses for you, darling
We love the dead
We love the dead, yeah

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CK8L0b_T3Ms

Lines form on my face and hands
Lines form from the ups and downs
I'm in the middle without any plans
I'm a boy and I'm a man

I'm eighteen
and I don't know what I want
Eighteen
I just don't know what I want
Eighteen
I gotta get away
I've gotta get out of this place
I'll go runnin in outer space
Oh yeah

I got a
baby's brain and an old man's heart
Took eighteen years to get this far
Don't always know what I'm talkin' about
Feels like I'm livin in the middle of doubt
Cause I'm

Eighteen
I get confused every day
Eighteen
I just don't know what to say
Eighteen
I gotta get away

Lines form on my face and my hands
Lines form on the left and right
I'm in the middle
the middle of life
I'm a boy and I'm a man
I'm eighteen and I LIKE IT
Yes I like it
Oh I like it
Love it
Like it
Love it
Eighteen!
Eighteen!
Eighteen!
Eighteen and I LIKE IT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME27Mntt3Ro&feature=related

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#11 deactivated-58f6434d57f33
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Ozzy is father of rock. Ozzy all the way.

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#12 XBebop
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Ozzy is father of rock. Ozzy all the way.

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#13 get-ka12
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Both are overrated.
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#14 th3warr1or
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Cooper, if only because "I'm 18" is an awesome song, and Dio > Ozzy.
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#15 jubino
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I've always been a fan of Ozzy, but I had a chance to see Alice Cooper live about 2 years ago, and it blew my mind. It wasn't even that big of a venue and he was still great. Probably one of the best live shows I've ever seen.

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#16 LJS9502_basic
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Ozzy by a lot. Alice Cooper isn't that talented.
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#17 LikeHaterade
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Ozzy baby. Prince of darkness ftw!

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#18 dramaybaz
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Ozzy ofc..
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#19 Big_Bad_Sad
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Ozzy all the way.
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#20 uncledeath2005
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Got to be Ozzy

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#21 Crimsader
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I'd vote for Ozzy

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#22 ScreamDream
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Ozzy by a lot. Alice Cooper isn't that talented.LJS9502_basic

Cooper isn't that talented? Tell me that's a joke coming from someone with "The Cure" sig.

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#23 LZ71
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Ozzy. While his days with Black Sabbath are hard to beat, by anyone, he had a strong solo career as well. Cooper, while having some good songs here and there, is remembered more for his "shock rock" than anything.
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#24 MasterBolt360
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Ozzy, hands down.

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#25 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Ozzy by a lot. Alice Cooper isn't that talented.ScreamDream

Cooper isn't that talented? Tell me that's a joke coming from someone with "The Cure" sig.

:roll: Yes because this topic is about The Cure. Oh wait it's not. No Cooper is not that talented. His music is not creative.
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#26 ScreamDream
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[QUOTE="ScreamDream"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Ozzy by a lot. Alice Cooper isn't that talented.LJS9502_basic

Cooper isn't that talented? Tell me that's a joke coming from someone with "The Cure" sig.

:roll: Yes because this topic is about The Cure. Oh wait it's not. No Cooper is not that talented. His music is not creative.

I'll go Ozzy on this one but to say Cooper is not creative and not that talented when he's done more than most musicians will ever do, is just an attack on Cooper with no reason of criticism.

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#27 Wae416
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Are we including Black Sabbath with Ozzy?

Either way, I like Ozzy a lot more.

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#28 LJS9502_basic
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I'll go Ozzy on this one but to say Cooper is not creative and not that talented when he's done more than most musicians will ever do, is just an attack on Cooper with no reason of criticism.

ScreamDream

What has he done more than other musicians?

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#29 ScreamDream
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[QUOTE="ScreamDream"]]

I'll go Ozzy on this one but to say Cooper is not creative and not that talented when he's done more than most musicians will ever do, is just an attack on Cooper with no reason of criticism.

LJS9502_basic

What has he done more than other musicians?

Sold more records than most musicians which means the fans like him and fans are the ultimate judge. Created Shock Rock (haven't you seen how many bands he inspired). I could go on and on but that alone is much more reason than you have given calling him not that talented and not creative.

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#30 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="ScreamDream"]]

I'll go Ozzy on this one but to say Cooper is not creative and not that talented when he's done more than most musicians will ever do, is just an attack on Cooper with no reason of criticism.

ScreamDream

What has he done more than other musicians?

Sold more records than most musicians which means the fans like him and fans are the ultimate judge. Created Shock Rock (haven't you seen how many bands he inspired). I could go on and on but that alone is much more reason than you have given calling him not that talented and not creative.

Music sales does not equate to talent. Otherwise I guess Madonna beats both Ozzy and Alice. Is that the argument you are sticking with?
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#31 ScreamDream
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[QUOTE="ScreamDream"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] What has he done more than other musicians?

LJS9502_basic

Sold more records than most musicians which means the fans like him and fans are the ultimate judge. Created Shock Rock (haven't you seen how many bands he inspired). I could go on and on but that alone is much more reason than you have given calling him not that talented and not creative.

Music sales does not equate to talent. Otherwise I guess Madonna beats both Ozzy and Alice. Is that the argument you are sticking with?

Music sales is the only judge. To say Madonna is not talented is another statement with no reason :roll:. How do you judge talent? They are different genre's of music. To me your statement is you are the only judge of music and you don't have to give a reason for your blank statements.

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#32 LJS9502_basic
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Music sales is the only judge. To say Madonna is not talented is another statement with no reason :roll:. How do you judge talent? They are different genre's of music. To me your statement is you are the only judge of music and you don't have to give a reason for your blank statements.

ScreamDream

No music sales is the way to judge mainstream popularity.....not talent. Talent is not subjective. It's objective but your defense is equating talent to subjective. Madonna plays a tape in concert and does not sing live. I think that speaks volumes about her "talent". Plus, much like Cooper she got notice for shock first...music second. There is a reason for that.

I asked for an answer as to what Cooper did that other musicians did not. I was told as a response by you that you weren't getting into that. Which means you don't have a reason for your statement( to paraphrase you comment.).;)

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#33 muse99-
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Ozzy hands down
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#34 ScreamDream
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I gave 2 reasons.

Sold more records than most musicians which means the fans like him and fans are the ultimate judge. Created Shock Rock (haven't you seen how many bands he inspired).

And you are saying I did not give reasons? Then you ask your question again when I have repeatedly asked why you think Alice is not talented and I still did not get a reason?

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#35 UnrighteousFury
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I like Alice Cooper the band about as much as I like solo Ozzy.

Solo Alice compared to Solo Ozzy though, is an easy win in favor of Ozzy.

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#36 LJS9502_basic
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I gave 2 reasons.

Sold more records than most musicians which means the fans like him and fans are the ultimate judge. Created Shock Rock (haven't you seen how many bands he inspired).

And you are saying I did not give reasons? Then you ask your question again when I have repeatedly asked why you think Alice is not talented and I still did not get a reason?

ScreamDream
Mainstream sales means nothing in regard to talent as I've stated. As for shock rock....doesn't seem he was the first.
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#37 cyberdarkkid
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I gave 2 reasons.

Sold more records than most musicians which means the fans like him and fans are the ultimate judge. Created Shock Rock (haven't you seen how many bands he inspired).

And you are saying I did not give reasons? Then you ask your question again when I have repeatedly asked why you think Alice is not talented and I still did not get a reason?

ScreamDream
The first reason doesn't really justify the talent of an artist, an artist can be really talented but not be recognized by many people (Just like many classical composers as 'Pianist' would say). The record labels and mainstream radio airplay and advertising play a great part on artists who sell lots of records but it doesn't mean they're talented. Your second reason isn't really that great shock rock is still plain rock when you listen to the record, and is only called that way because of the live performances. He didn't create anything new musical wise. And even if he had, his musicians would be the ones to credit for it.
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#38 ScreamDream
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[QUOTE="ScreamDream"]

I gave 2 reasons.

Sold more records than most musicians which means the fans like him and fans are the ultimate judge. Created Shock Rock (haven't you seen how many bands he inspired).

And you are saying I did not give reasons? Then you ask your question again when I have repeatedly asked why you think Alice is not talented and I still did not get a reason?

LJS9502_basic

Mainstream sales means nothing in regard to talent as I've stated. As for shock rock....doesn't seem he was the first.

OK, he refined it. I'm still waiting for your reasons.

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#39 D_Battery
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Hmm, that's a pretty tough call. Sabbath era Ozzy was awesome, and he does have a very unique voice but Alice Cooper's a really brilliant lyricist. I can't decide.
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#40 xTheExploited
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Alice Cooper definately.
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#41 Nevlim
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Alice Cooper of course. Theres just no way Ozzy is better.
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#42 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="ScreamDream"]

I gave 2 reasons.

Sold more records than most musicians which means the fans like him and fans are the ultimate judge. Created Shock Rock (haven't you seen how many bands he inspired).

And you are saying I did not give reasons? Then you ask your question again when I have repeatedly asked why you think Alice is not talented and I still did not get a reason?

ScreamDream

Mainstream sales means nothing in regard to talent as I've stated. As for shock rock....doesn't seem he was the first.

OK, he refined it. I'm still waiting for your reasons.

I told you his music is not creative and is mediocre. Nothing special....
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#43 ScreamDream
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[QUOTE="ScreamDream"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Mainstream sales means nothing in regard to talent as I've stated. As for shock rock....doesn't seem he was the first.LJS9502_basic

OK, he refined it. I'm still waiting for your reasons.

I told you his music is not creative and is mediocre. Nothing special....

So it's just your definition of creative and mediocre? Perhaps you just should of said you don't like his music instead of calling him not talented and not creative?

He has inspired countless musicians and bands and defined in wiki that he refined shock rock. You saying he's not talented and not creative, I still don't understand your response.

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#44 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="ScreamDream"]

OK, he refined it. I'm still waiting for your reasons.

ScreamDream

I told you his music is not creative and is mediocre. Nothing special....

So it's just your definition of creative and mediocre? Perhaps you just should of said you don't like his music instead of calling him not talented and not creative?

He has inspired countless musicians and bands and defined in wiki that he refined shock rock. You saying he's not talented and not creative, I still don't understand your response.

You should read some critiques of his work if you think it's just me.;)
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Cooper is a better vocalist, but Ozzy has made MUCH better music.
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#46 ScreamDream
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You should read some critiques of his work if you think it's just me.;)

4 1/2 star out of 5 on Amazon with 72 reviews. Not too shabby but I'm interested in your review more but if you can show me a reviewer calling him with little talent and not creative, I have my eyes wide open.

http://www.amazon.com/Schools-Out-Alice-Cooper/dp/B000002KE5

Tell me what is not creative or talented about Schools Out, Billion Dollar Babies, Under my wheels, I'm 18, Only Women Bleed, um those are just a few off the top of my head. I like a bunch of his less popular songs also.

He career has also lasted for decades, he not your typical 5 year musician.

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4 1/2 star out of 5 on Amazon with 72 reviews. Not too shabby but I'm interested in your review more but if you can show me a reviewer calling him with little talent and not creative, I have my eyes wide open.

Tell me what is not creative or talented about Schools Out, Billion Dollar Babies, Under my wheels, I'm 18, Only Women Bleed, um those are just a few off the top of my head. I like a bunch of his less popular songs also.

He career has also lasted for decades, he not your typical 5 year musician.

ScreamDream

I wasn't referring to fans which is who reviews on Amazon.:|

Those songs are generic rock songs. Nothing special. Because someone hangs around for decades means nothing dude. I also don't have to share your opinon.

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#48 topsemag55
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I saw Alice Cooper in concert once.

He was great without having to chew on bats.:P:lol::lol:

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Ozzzy.

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#50 ScreamDream
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[QUOTE="ScreamDream"]

4 1/2 star out of 5 on Amazon with 72 reviews. Not too shabby but I'm interested in your review more but if you can show me a reviewer calling him with little talent and not creative, I have my eyes wide open.

Tell me what is not creative or talented about Schools Out, Billion Dollar Babies, Under my wheels, I'm 18, Only Women Bleed, um those are just a few off the top of my head. I like a bunch of his less popular songs also.

He career has also lasted for decades, he not your typical 5 year musician.

LJS9502_basic

I wasn't referring to fans which is who reviews on Amazon.:|

Those songs are generic rock songs. Nothing special. Because someone hangs around for decades means nothing dude. I also don't have to share your opinon.

I have to ask again, what critics were you referring to that think Alice has little talent and not creative?

Those songs you call generic withstood the test of time. I'm not sure how you call them generic. He still plays the songs to screaming fans like he did 30+ years ago.