Who's better Ozzy Osbourneor Alice Cooper? I say it's a draw I like them both equally.
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School's out, poison, no more mr nice guy.Ozzys better, Alice just doesnt have as many good songs IMO
TehSonofUgly
[QUOTE="TehSonofUgly"]School's out, poison, no more mr nice guy. Those aren't even his best songs! Only Women Bleed, Public Animal #9, Killer, The Ballad of Dwight Fry, Is It My Body, The Last Temptation, Welcome To My Nightmare, Generation Landslide, Go To Hell, It's Much Too Late, From The Inside, and I Love The Dead. And that's not even half of his great songs.Ozzys better, Alice just doesnt have as many good songs IMO
mythicfiredark
[QUOTE="mythicfiredark"][QUOTE="TehSonofUgly"]School's out, poison, no more mr nice guy. Those aren't even his best songs! Only Women Bleed, Public Animal #9, Killer, The Ballad of Dwight Fry, Is It My Body, The Last Temptation, Welcome To My Nightmare, Generation Landslide, Go To Hell, It's Much Too Late, From The Inside, and I Love The Dead. And that's not even half of his great songs. I was listing songs that non-cooper fans like.Ozzys better, Alice just doesnt have as many good songs IMO
XBebop
I love the dead before theyre cold
Theyre bluing flesh for me to hold
Cadaver eyes upon me see... nothing
I love the dead before they rise
No farewells, no goodbyes
I never knew your rotting face
While friends and lovers mourn your silly grave
I have other uses for you, darling
We love the dead
We love the dead, yeah
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CK8L0b_T3Ms
Lines form on my face and hands
Lines form from the ups and downs
I'm in the middle without any plans
I'm a boy and I'm a man
I'm eighteen
and I don't know what I want
Eighteen
I just don't know what I want
Eighteen
I gotta get away
I've gotta get out of this place
I'll go runnin in outer space
Oh yeah
I got a
baby's brain and an old man's heart
Took eighteen years to get this far
Don't always know what I'm talkin' about
Feels like I'm livin in the middle of doubt
Cause I'm
Eighteen
I get confused every day
Eighteen
I just don't know what to say
Eighteen
I gotta get away
Lines form on my face and my hands
Lines form on the left and right
I'm in the middle
the middle of life
I'm a boy and I'm a man
I'm eighteen and I LIKE IT
Yes I like it
Oh I like it
Love it
Like it
Love it
Eighteen!
Eighteen!
Eighteen!
Eighteen and I LIKE IT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME27Mntt3Ro&feature=related
Ozzy by a lot. Alice Cooper isn't that talented.LJS9502_basic
Cooper isn't that talented? Tell me that's a joke coming from someone with "The Cure" sig.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Ozzy by a lot. Alice Cooper isn't that talented.ScreamDream
Cooper isn't that talented? Tell me that's a joke coming from someone with "The Cure" sig.
:roll: Yes because this topic is about The Cure. Oh wait it's not. No Cooper is not that talented. His music is not creative.[QUOTE="ScreamDream"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Ozzy by a lot. Alice Cooper isn't that talented.LJS9502_basic
Cooper isn't that talented? Tell me that's a joke coming from someone with "The Cure" sig.
:roll: Yes because this topic is about The Cure. Oh wait it's not. No Cooper is not that talented. His music is not creative.I'll go Ozzy on this one but to say Cooper is not creative and not that talented when he's done more than most musicians will ever do, is just an attack on Cooper with no reason of criticism.
]What has he done more than other musicians?I'll go Ozzy on this one but to say Cooper is not creative and not that talented when he's done more than most musicians will ever do, is just an attack on Cooper with no reason of criticism.
ScreamDream
What has he done more than other musicians?[QUOTE="ScreamDream"]]
I'll go Ozzy on this one but to say Cooper is not creative and not that talented when he's done more than most musicians will ever do, is just an attack on Cooper with no reason of criticism.
LJS9502_basic
Sold more records than most musicians which means the fans like him and fans are the ultimate judge. Created Shock Rock (haven't you seen how many bands he inspired). I could go on and on but that alone is much more reason than you have given calling him not that talented and not creative.
What has he done more than other musicians?[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]
[QUOTE="ScreamDream"]]
I'll go Ozzy on this one but to say Cooper is not creative and not that talented when he's done more than most musicians will ever do, is just an attack on Cooper with no reason of criticism.
ScreamDream
Sold more records than most musicians which means the fans like him and fans are the ultimate judge. Created Shock Rock (haven't you seen how many bands he inspired). I could go on and on but that alone is much more reason than you have given calling him not that talented and not creative.
Music sales does not equate to talent. Otherwise I guess Madonna beats both Ozzy and Alice. Is that the argument you are sticking with?[QUOTE="ScreamDream"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] What has he done more than other musicians?
LJS9502_basic
Sold more records than most musicians which means the fans like him and fans are the ultimate judge. Created Shock Rock (haven't you seen how many bands he inspired). I could go on and on but that alone is much more reason than you have given calling him not that talented and not creative.
Music sales does not equate to talent. Otherwise I guess Madonna beats both Ozzy and Alice. Is that the argument you are sticking with?Music sales is the only judge. To say Madonna is not talented is another statement with no reason :roll:. How do you judge talent? They are different genre's of music. To me your statement is you are the only judge of music and you don't have to give a reason for your blank statements.
No music sales is the way to judge mainstream popularity.....not talent. Talent is not subjective. It's objective but your defense is equating talent to subjective. Madonna plays a tape in concert and does not sing live. I think that speaks volumes about her "talent". Plus, much like Cooper she got notice for shock first...music second. There is a reason for that.Music sales is the only judge. To say Madonna is not talented is another statement with no reason :roll:. How do you judge talent? They are different genre's of music. To me your statement is you are the only judge of music and you don't have to give a reason for your blank statements.
ScreamDream
I asked for an answer as to what Cooper did that other musicians did not. I was told as a response by you that you weren't getting into that. Which means you don't have a reason for your statement( to paraphrase you comment.).;)
I gave 2 reasons.
Sold more records than most musicians which means the fans like him and fans are the ultimate judge. Created Shock Rock (haven't you seen how many bands he inspired).
And you are saying I did not give reasons? Then you ask your question again when I have repeatedly asked why you think Alice is not talented and I still did not get a reason?
I like Alice Cooper the band about as much as I like solo Ozzy.
Solo Alice compared to Solo Ozzy though, is an easy win in favor of Ozzy.
Mainstream sales means nothing in regard to talent as I've stated. As for shock rock....doesn't seem he was the first.I gave 2 reasons.
Sold more records than most musicians which means the fans like him and fans are the ultimate judge. Created Shock Rock (haven't you seen how many bands he inspired).
And you are saying I did not give reasons? Then you ask your question again when I have repeatedly asked why you think Alice is not talented and I still did not get a reason?
ScreamDream
The first reason doesn't really justify the talent of an artist, an artist can be really talented but not be recognized by many people (Just like many classical composers as 'Pianist' would say). The record labels and mainstream radio airplay and advertising play a great part on artists who sell lots of records but it doesn't mean they're talented. Your second reason isn't really that great shock rock is still plain rock when you listen to the record, and is only called that way because of the live performances. He didn't create anything new musical wise. And even if he had, his musicians would be the ones to credit for it.I gave 2 reasons.
Sold more records than most musicians which means the fans like him and fans are the ultimate judge. Created Shock Rock (haven't you seen how many bands he inspired).
And you are saying I did not give reasons? Then you ask your question again when I have repeatedly asked why you think Alice is not talented and I still did not get a reason?
ScreamDream
[QUOTE="ScreamDream"]Mainstream sales means nothing in regard to talent as I've stated. As for shock rock....doesn't seem he was the first.I gave 2 reasons.
Sold more records than most musicians which means the fans like him and fans are the ultimate judge. Created Shock Rock (haven't you seen how many bands he inspired).
And you are saying I did not give reasons? Then you ask your question again when I have repeatedly asked why you think Alice is not talented and I still did not get a reason?
LJS9502_basic
OK, he refined it. I'm still waiting for your reasons.
Mainstream sales means nothing in regard to talent as I've stated. As for shock rock....doesn't seem he was the first.[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="ScreamDream"]
I gave 2 reasons.
Sold more records than most musicians which means the fans like him and fans are the ultimate judge. Created Shock Rock (haven't you seen how many bands he inspired).
And you are saying I did not give reasons? Then you ask your question again when I have repeatedly asked why you think Alice is not talented and I still did not get a reason?
ScreamDream
OK, he refined it. I'm still waiting for your reasons.
I told you his music is not creative and is mediocre. Nothing special....[QUOTE="ScreamDream"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Mainstream sales means nothing in regard to talent as I've stated. As for shock rock....doesn't seem he was the first.LJS9502_basic
OK, he refined it. I'm still waiting for your reasons.
I told you his music is not creative and is mediocre. Nothing special....So it's just your definition of creative and mediocre? Perhaps you just should of said you don't like his music instead of calling him not talented and not creative?
He has inspired countless musicians and bands and defined in wiki that he refined shock rock. You saying he's not talented and not creative, I still don't understand your response.
I told you his music is not creative and is mediocre. Nothing special....[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="ScreamDream"]
OK, he refined it. I'm still waiting for your reasons.
ScreamDream
So it's just your definition of creative and mediocre? Perhaps you just should of said you don't like his music instead of calling him not talented and not creative?
He has inspired countless musicians and bands and defined in wiki that he refined shock rock. You saying he's not talented and not creative, I still don't understand your response.
You should read some critiques of his work if you think it's just me.;)4 1/2 star out of 5 on Amazon with 72 reviews. Not too shabby but I'm interested in your review more but if you can show me a reviewer calling him with little talent and not creative, I have my eyes wide open.
http://www.amazon.com/Schools-Out-Alice-Cooper/dp/B000002KE5
Tell me what is not creative or talented about Schools Out, Billion Dollar Babies, Under my wheels, I'm 18, Only Women Bleed, um those are just a few off the top of my head. I like a bunch of his less popular songs also.
He career has also lasted for decades, he not your typical 5 year musician.
I wasn't referring to fans which is who reviews on Amazon.:|4 1/2 star out of 5 on Amazon with 72 reviews. Not too shabby but I'm interested in your review more but if you can show me a reviewer calling him with little talent and not creative, I have my eyes wide open.
Tell me what is not creative or talented about Schools Out, Billion Dollar Babies, Under my wheels, I'm 18, Only Women Bleed, um those are just a few off the top of my head. I like a bunch of his less popular songs also.
He career has also lasted for decades, he not your typical 5 year musician.
ScreamDream
Those songs are generic rock songs. Nothing special. Because someone hangs around for decades means nothing dude. I also don't have to share your opinon.
I wasn't referring to fans which is who reviews on Amazon.:|[QUOTE="ScreamDream"]
4 1/2 star out of 5 on Amazon with 72 reviews. Not too shabby but I'm interested in your review more but if you can show me a reviewer calling him with little talent and not creative, I have my eyes wide open.
Tell me what is not creative or talented about Schools Out, Billion Dollar Babies, Under my wheels, I'm 18, Only Women Bleed, um those are just a few off the top of my head. I like a bunch of his less popular songs also.
He career has also lasted for decades, he not your typical 5 year musician.
LJS9502_basic
Those songs are generic rock songs. Nothing special. Because someone hangs around for decades means nothing dude. I also don't have to share your opinon.
I have to ask again, what critics were you referring to that think Alice has little talent and not creative?
Those songs you call generic withstood the test of time. I'm not sure how you call them generic. He still plays the songs to screaming fans like he did 30+ years ago.
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