Paralyzed man denied euthanasia by UK high court.

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#1 deactivated-6127ced9bcba0
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What do you guys think? Is euthanasia appropriate for such a disease? I say absolutely. If somebody wants to be put out of their misery and a doctor is willing to do it, they should be able to.

It's far more cruel to force someone to live who has no chance of ever leading a fruitful life.

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After watching the one movie about the doctor who (no pun intended), I guess, really got the "Assisted Suicide" thing mainstream, I don't see anything wrong with it. It's their (the patient's) decision, no one else's, and if they need help to do the procedure, then they shouldn't be denied that help, if the person performing the procedure is willing to go along with it that is (can't have doctors performing something they aren't 100% comfortable with).

I find it very horrible that anyone can actually get away with saying that it's their decision, and not the person who wants to commit suicide. Even God doesn't have that kind of authority.

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#3 CHOASXIII
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After watching the one movie about the doctor who (no pun intended), I guess, really got the "Assisted Suicide" thing mainstream, I don't see anything wrong with it. It's their (the patient's) decision, no one else's, and if they need help to do the procedure, then they shouldn't be denied that help, if the person performing the procedure is willing to go along with it that is (can't have doctors performing something they aren't 100% comfortable with).

I find it very horrible that anyone can actually get away with saying that it's their decision, and not the person who wants to commit suicide. Even God doesn't have that kind of authority.

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Pretty much this.

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#4 dave123321
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Yea
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#5 Ace6301
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If someone has a terminal illness and they wish to be put out of their misery they should have that as an option. Obviously you'd have some fail safes like making sure that this is a path that they truly want to take and not just because they had a single bad day.
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#6 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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Wow what a terribly depressing story.

Pro-lifers are despicable sometimes. I wonder how many of them have any idea about the pain this man is going through.

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#8 senses_fail_06
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I'm fine with it. If you are able to work you should have to get enough money to fund it yourself though. I think a waiting list should be a good idea too. Like 6 months, just so no mistakes are made.
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#9 jesuschristmonk
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Wow what a terribly depressing story.

Pro-lifers are despicable sometimes. I wonder how many of them have any idea about the pain this man is going through.

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Figure they're perfectly fine with it, and may even feel proud about their actions, so long as they're preventing something that their book/belief system doesn't agree with. I for one feel very sorry for this guy. I'm the kind of person who would feel bad for whoever has to take care of me if I was in a situation like his, and would want to just be put out of my misery, so they don't have to bother with me anymore. This is especially apparent for whoever is going through life with constant pain and misery, and hope that no one is still opposing their judgments about THEIR life, like they are with this man.
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#10 TheShadowLord07
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maybe he needs to go to oregon. i believe that you can get a doctor to euthanize you. i would want the samething if i was in his condition

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#11 mccoyca112
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From the neck down...communication being in the form of blinking... Yeah, I'd want out to.

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#12 Ace6301
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maybe he needs to go to oregon. i believe that you can get a doctor to euthanize you. i would want the samething if i was in his condition

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Iirc Netherlands has or at least had the option for euthanasia too
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#13 Lonelynight
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can't he go to Switzerland?
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#14 frannkzappa
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jeez, such a terrible thing to want to end all like that, even worse to have it denied.

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I'd want to die to if I were in his situation. He can literally do NOTHING but think. It would be maddening.

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#16 sexyweapons
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Its fvcking disgusting he's been denied it.

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#17 Tylendal
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I think this man needs therapy, not death. There are people in much worse situations than him.
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#18 DeX2010
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I'm dissapointed in my courts. It's clear that he is suffering unnecessarily. If an animal is in that much pain, we would euthanise it to put it out of it's misery. The same principal applies here, and he was really upset after the ruling, and it was quite disturbing to see. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2189263/Tony-Nicklinson-Tears-High-Court-rules-CANT-ask-doctor-end-life.html
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#19 Ilovegames1992
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What do you guys think? Is euthanasia appropriate for such a disease? I say absolutely. If somebody wants to be put out of their misery and a doctor is willing to do it, they should be able to.

It's far more cruel to force someone to live who has no chance of ever leading a fruitful life.

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Read about this yesterday. Its pretty gutting to be fair.

Although i gues Hawking is living pretty well considering, maybe thats the rationale.

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#20 EJ902
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I'm not averse to the idea of making it legal but I don't want the government to just say "there we are, euthanasia's legal now". When you're talking about making it legal to murder somebody under certain circumstances, that law has to be very carefully written, implemented and enforced to ensure it's not exploited or abused and such a hefty process isn't something that can come about quickly. According to the article he "asked the High Court to declare that any doctor who kills him with his consent will not be charged with murder" and from a legal point of view I can see why they rejected that, for one thing how can his consent be proven beyond all reasonable doubt? That's something they'd have to decide first and again wouldn't be something they could make a snap decision on. I don't deny there are valid arguments for euthanasia but I don't agree that anyone who appears to disallow it should automatically be labeled despicable for not being confident enough to make the decision.
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#21 VaguelyTagged
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hope can not be shoved up one's arse.of course i support it.

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#22 lo_Pine
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Moronic court systems. Moronic court systems everywhere.
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#23 DraugenCP
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Reminds me of the film Mar Adentro with Javier Bardem. This story is similarly depressing.

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#24 Tylendal
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This is oddly relevant, just came out this morning. Number 1 on the list is about what a fellow twice as disable as this guy accomplished. (Literally, twice as disabled. He could only blink a single eye.) http://www.cracked.com/article_19942_the-6-most-certifiably-insane-acts-writing_p2.html
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#25 JML897
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There are people in much worse situations than him.Tylendal

I'm not sure anything is much worse than his situation.

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#26 SolidSnake35
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Sends out a bad message if giving up is an option. We already have enough people killing themselves because they can't be arsed.
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#27 Tylendal
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[QUOTE="Tylendal"]There are people in much worse situations than him.JML897

I'm not sure anything is much worse than his situation.

People who's minds are slowly slipping away, people who are in constant pain, or can't even do as much as he can to communicate. I don't think a mentally hale human being should be given the right to kill himself. As I said before, I believe this is an issue of therapy and outlook.
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#28 Tylendal
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Sends out a bad message if giving up is an option. We already have enough people killing themselves because they can't be arsed.SolidSnake35
I agree. There are many situations where I would support Euthanasia, but this is definitely not one of them.
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#29 RadecSupreme
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The man has made his choice. If he wants to die, then kill him. He is in a miserable position and does not want to continue on like that.

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#30 wavey_gravey
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This is a depressing story. I wholeheartedly support the man's decision to want to die and he should be able to do it. What annoys me is that we can make the decision for an animal - putting it out of its misery, however for some reason this logic is not applied to a human being who is compos mentis.
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#31 VaguelyTagged
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[QUOTE="JML897"]

[QUOTE="Tylendal"]There are people in much worse situations than him.Tylendal

I'm not sure anything is much worse than his situation.

I don't think a mentally hale human being should be given the right to kill himself.

isn't it stupid to give that decision to someone who isn't mentally hale? how would the outcome of such decision be reliable if the patient wasn't mentally hale?
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#32 Tylendal
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The man has made his choice. If he wants to die, then kill him. He is in a miserable position and does not want to continue on like that.

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You could apply that statement to a lot of people.
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#33 worlock77
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If a person has a right to life then they also have the right to end their life at a time and manner of their choosing.