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#1 Imeut
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Why cant we try to spread peace instead of the illusion of war for freedom or peace that Bush is spreading around?
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#2 The-Bulldozer
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Because America doesn't want to.
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Because of the almighty dollar...
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#4 Imeut
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whats keeping us from peace? greed? materialism? your thoughts.
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#5 Marx_Brother
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Wars have been with mankind since..... well... mankind.

Get used to it.

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Because greed runs everything.
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#7 Imeut
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Wars have been with mankind since..... well... mankind.

Get used to it.

Marx_Brother

I dont want to get used to it. I wont accept war. Its pointless waste of life.

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#8 Marx_Brother
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[QUOTE="Marx_Brother"]

Wars have been with mankind since..... well... mankind.

Get used to it.

Imeut

I dont want to get used to it. I wont accept war. Its pointless waste of life.

When you have the Nazis campaigning all over europe, you just going to sit there like a coward?

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#9 wemhim
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Well, patriotism brings war, it brings a bias. And what we need to bring is Anarchsim(Yes, I know, I must be gothic, not true, I like white pants, it's not some silly ideal, many philosophers believe in it, if people are too evil to rule themselves, they're to evil to rule others). With that, there won't be wars to fight, sure, there'll be bad people, but don't count on as many nukes. With government, there can't be peace, what do you think the governments about? Making people happy, a unified world is the only way, the problem is, an American will treat an outsider like an Alien, vice versa. But, I guess people are too blind to see it, so they worship their country, and follow them with whatever they do, but hey, thanks for contributing to war and people dieing and all that, regardless of what it's for, blind patriotism ftw. Excuse me while I do the pledge of white people, that's not racist or anything, just like only caring about America isn't discrimnating.

Oh, and TC, these isn't directed towards you, it's just directed towards people who I think contribute to the lack of piece. Piece is easier than people think. It's the citizens fault, they're feeding the government what they need to strive on. People need to stop letting the government control them, and they need to let them know when they make bad choices, we won't be blind redknecks and follow them. But, I guess people are too blind to do this.

So we will forever live in a world with bigotry, and, "Stupid liberal/conservative......*Argues forever, when in the end, makes no progress and continues to argue with stupid biased political views*". Don't say Bush is spreating it around, even the liberals are too, it's not just the conservatives of Government is doing the same thing, guess where your taxes go? Weapons being one of them. Without taxes how are people going to create a tank? As long as we feed the governent, there will be war. People think Bush created this, wow, this has been around since the dawn of time, it's government in general, people need to realize that the government likes power, anyone who doesn't realize this must think Apple is about giving free iPods. Last I checked, Nixon spread this illusion too, so did many others, people are making it seem like Bush is something new.

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#10 Bourbons3
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World peace will never exist
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#11 romocop33
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World peace will never existBourbons3
sure it will. as soon as all the humans are dead.
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#12 X-Fade
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Sic Vis Pacem Para Bellum - When You Want Peace, Prepare For War

see the irony :P

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#13 daniel52587
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[QUOTE="Bourbons3"]World peace will never existromocop33
sure it will. as soon as all the humans are dead.

Tis true.
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#14 wemhim
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World peace will never existBourbons3
Sure, there'll be gangs and criminals, but the least we could do is get rid of wars, problem with wars is they contribute to destruction, gangs and petty criminals contribute to bad lifestyles with some deaths, they don't acquire tanks and nukes, they don't get taxes to fund that stuff. We get rid of government, we're that closer to piece. But, it can't just be a portion of the world, it has to be the whole world, because if it's a portion, another country will take it over, just like in the past where (More) peacful civilazations excisted. Sure, world peace may never excist, but you could at least try and make it excist. 30% less war would be better than nothing.
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#15 PierSkillz
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Did you just say Bush is spreading peace around? haha that's funny..
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#16 Marx_Brother
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Well, patriotism brings war, it brings a bias. And what we need to bring is Anarchsim(Yes, I know, I must be gothic, not true, I like white pants, it's not some silly ideal, many philosophers believe in it, if people are too evil to rule themselves, they're to evil to rule others). With that, there won't be wars to fight, sure, there'll be bad people, but don't count on as many nukes. With government, there can't be peace, what do you think the governments about? Making people happy, a unified world is the only way, the problem is, an American will treat an outsider like an Alien, vice versa.

wemhim

Getting rid of governments and countries will certainly not get rid of wars. Tribal and group conflicts will start again over who's land is who's and they will develop their countries and before you know it we are full circle to the start of early human development.

So your argument is hugely flawed.

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#17 wemhim
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[QUOTE="Imeut"][QUOTE="Marx_Brother"]

Wars have been with mankind since..... well... mankind.

Get used to it.

Marx_Brother

I dont want to get used to it. I wont accept war. Its pointless waste of life.

When you have the Nazis campaigning all over europe, you just going to sit there like a coward?

Or maybe if people would wake up, smell the coffee, and realize we don't need the government, they wouldn't let them do what they want to do, then, the government would cease to excist because they would lack their support via extortion(You'll go to prison if you don't do this). They excist because we let them, I'm not going to lie, if I go to a store and buy something, I pay the taxes, however, that's because I'm not brave enough to do something alone. If the world as a whole would just not let this, we could get rid of them, what are they going to do without our support?
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#18 wemhim
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[QUOTE="Imeut"][QUOTE="Marx_Brother"]

Wars have been with mankind since..... well... mankind.

Get used to it.

Marx_Brother

I dont want to get used to it. I wont accept war. Its pointless waste of life.

When you have the Nazis campaigning all over europe, you just going to sit there like a coward?

Or maybe if people would wake up, smell the coffee, and realize we don't need the government, they wouldn't let them do what they want to do, then, the government would cease to excist because they would lack their support via extortion(You'll go to prison if you don't do this). They excist because we let them, I'm not going to lie, if I go to a store and buy something, I pay the taxes, however, that's because I'm not brave enough to do something alone. If the world as a whole would just not let this, we could get rid of them, what are they going to do without our support?
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[QUOTE="Bourbons3"]World peace will never existwemhim
Sure, there'll be gangs and criminals, but the least we could do is get rid of wars, problem with wars is they contribute to destruction, gangs and petty criminals contribute to bad lifestyles with some deaths, they don't acquire tanks and nukes, they don't get taxes to fund that stuff. We get rid of government, we're that closer to piece. But, it can't just be a portion of the world, it has to be the whole world, because if it's a portion, another country will take it over, just like in the past where (More) peacful civilazations excisted. Sure, world peace may never excist, but you could at least try and make it excist. 30% less war would be better than nothing.

Me trying will make no impact. As long as we have weapons, peace will not exist
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#20 Omni-Slash
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peace is over-rated......my suggestion.pop some popcorn....sit back and enjoy a good blood-letting.....
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#21 wemhim
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Because America doesn't want to.The-Bulldozer
Yeah, it's just America, maybe you should come back when you actually have something right to say.
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#22 Marx_Brother
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[QUOTE="Marx_Brother"][QUOTE="Imeut"][QUOTE="Marx_Brother"]

Wars have been with mankind since..... well... mankind.

Get used to it.

wemhim

I dont want to get used to it. I wont accept war. Its pointless waste of life.

When you have the Nazis campaigning all over europe, you just going to sit there like a coward?

Or maybe if people would wake up, smell the coffee, and realize we don't need the government, they wouldn't let them do what they want to do, then, the government would cease to excist because they would lack their support via extortion(You'll go to prison if you don't do this). They excist because we let them, I'm not going to lie, if I go to a store and buy something, I pay the taxes, however, that's because I'm not brave enough to do something alone. If the world as a whole would just not let this, we could get rid of them, what are they going to do without our support?

What about government protecting citizens? Honestly, anarchism is an ideology for 12 year old dreamers.

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#24 wemhim
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[QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="Bourbons3"]World peace will never existBourbons3
Sure, there'll be gangs and criminals, but the least we could do is get rid of wars, problem with wars is they contribute to destruction, gangs and petty criminals contribute to bad lifestyles with some deaths, they don't acquire tanks and nukes, they don't get taxes to fund that stuff. We get rid of government, we're that closer to piece. But, it can't just be a portion of the world, it has to be the whole world, because if it's a portion, another country will take it over, just like in the past where (More) peacful civilazations excisted. Sure, world peace may never excist, but you could at least try and make it excist. 30% less war would be better than nothing.

Me trying will make no impact. As long as we have weapons, peace will not exist

Well, getting rid of the government would leave only psychos and gangs. At least we don't have to worry about the world exploding. It could someday happen, I'm not telling you to make an impact, all is I'm saying is, if there is someday someone brave enough to do this, we should tag along.
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[QUOTE="The-Bulldozer"]Because America doesn't want to.wemhim
Yeah, it's just America, maybe you should come back when you actually have something right to say.

I can say what I want son.

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#26 wemhim
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"What about government protecting citizens? Honestly, anarchism is an ideology for 12 year old dreamers."

What about hiring a group of people with guns who protect you? What about getting off your arse and picking up your .22 and shooting the bad guy yourself? Cops don't help people, they help people that have already died.  Oh, and there's been anarchism in the past, but because it was only one section of the world it was taken over. It's not some crazy new ideal. Oh yeah, and the casulties of the military outnumber the casulties of gangters. I'd rather worry about gangsters than WMDs.

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#28 NicktehImperial
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There will always be wars, fighting, conflict, even when there is peace all the nasty civilians argue amonst themselves and are never satisfied, although because of wars we have inventions, like computers, penacilin, artificial rubber, plastic, nylon, ETC and after major wars, come small golden ages like after WW2 was the fifties, a true golden age. So as long as there are people, there will be wars, conflicts, rebellions, arguements, hating, everything.
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#29 wemhim
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The problem is human nature and borders. We can't get rid if human nature, but we can get rid of borders. the problem with borders are the other problems making it happening. We can't get 1 person to rule this world, not even 100 people van't have so much power.Lightningsun
Nobody needs to rule it. Humans aren't fools, they can rule themselves. 

Oh, and sorry for being a jerk to some people.... Also, no, I'm not some rebellious kid, I actually read about this stuff before agreeing with it, I used to be pro-government, but I read about it and agreed, pages about it.

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[QUOTE="Lightningsun"]The problem is human nature and borders. We can't get rid if human nature, but we can get rid of borders. the problem with borders are the other problems making it happening. We can't get 1 person to rule this world, not even 100 people van't have so much power.wemhim
Nobody needs to rule it. Humans aren't fools, they can rule themselves.

Yeah Lightingsun is right, we need to be ruled by aliens. (Sarcasm.)
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#31 NicktehImperial
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[QUOTE="Lightningsun"]The problem is human nature and borders. We can't get rid if human nature, but we can get rid of borders. the problem with borders are the other problems making it happening. We can't get 1 person to rule this world, not even 100 people van't have so much power.wemhim
Nobody needs to rule it. Humans aren't fools, they can rule themselves.

Yeah Lightingsun is right, we need to be ruled by aliens. (Sarcasm.)
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This morning, on CBC News Network, they had someone discussing the situation with Canada and NATO in Afghanistan... and how they think it would be impossible to "win" by military force alone... and are contemplating on negotiating with the Taliban... I finally see some hope for the human race yet...
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#33 wemhim
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[QUOTE="wemhim"]

Well, patriotism brings war, it brings a bias. And what we need to bring is Anarchsim(Yes, I know, I must be gothic, not true, I like white pants, it's not some silly ideal, many philosophers believe in it, if people are too evil to rule themselves, they're to evil to rule others). With that, there won't be wars to fight, sure, there'll be bad people, but don't count on as many nukes. With government, there can't be peace, what do you think the governments about? Making people happy, a unified world is the only way, the problem is, an American will treat an outsider like an Alien, vice versa.

Marx_Brother

Getting rid of governments and countries will certainly not get rid of wars. Tribal and group conflicts will start again over who's land is who's and they will develop their countries and before you know it we are full circle to the start of early human development.

So your argument is hugely flawed.

Well, maybe, maybe not. Maybe I am a dreamer and unrealistic, most people are. Whether it be for yourself or others, most humans do have ridiculous ideas on what will happen. I'll stick with it though. I'd at least want to experience it myself before disproving it. But it's your opinion. Maybe it's just a false hope like you said. But that's in human nature too, most people expect more out of their life than they actually get, and maybe I expect more out of nature in general than we will actually get. Only time will tell.  It's like the John Lennon song Give Peace a Chance, that's my idea of peace, and I just want to give it a chance, fail or not, no reason to not try it out. It's possible that those things wouldn't happen, or stop before taken through to the end, I think because of as far as we've gone and that we've already experienced this stuff, it may not happen, they, on the other hand, didn't experience what he have, and resorted to things like you stated, or, it might happen again. But if it did, it wouldn't really be any worse than now, I don't see why we shouldn't give it a chance.
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Because hippies aren't as active as they used to be:P
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[QUOTE="Lightningsun"]The problem is human nature and borders. We can't get rid if human nature, but we can get rid of borders. the problem with borders are the other problems making it happening. We can't get 1 person to rule this world, not even 100 people van't have so much power.wemhim

Nobody needs to rule it. Humans aren't fools, they can rule themselves. 

Like disabled people, children and the elderly?

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#36 wemhim
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[QUOTE="wemhim"]

[QUOTE="Lightningsun"]The problem is human nature and borders. We can't get rid if human nature, but we can get rid of borders. the problem with borders are the other problems making it happening. We can't get 1 person to rule this world, not even 100 people van't have so much power.Marx_Brother

Nobody needs to rule it. Humans aren't fools, they can rule themselves. 

Like disabled people, children and the elderly?

. That's just my opinion, maybe I sometimes state it like I think it's a fact, because I'm a little rude, but I still THINK it, I don't know it. And I still respect your opinion. Like I stated above. I'd still like to see it to believe it, that's all I'm saying. It could turn into a revolution, or a failure, but that's the thing when taking risks. And it's a risk I would like to take, because I see potential. But, I'm not saying your wrong either, you do make your points, I see what you mean, but I still think it could work out, I don't know it, but I at least want to try it.  At least I have the integrity to admit that my ideal could be a piece of **** unlike some people.... Most people think they're always right, I personally don't know.