Pirates Buy More Music Than Non-Filesharing Peers

very interesting read. i can understand it completely. people who love music cant afford to buy all the music they want, so they download a lot. but will also pay for the albums they really want to either support the band or just to have a physical copy with artwork...exc..

here is the link: http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Pirate-Fileshare-Music-Download-Illegal,news-5001.html

here is the article pasted for those of you who are really lazy and just came into the threat to troll saying that stealing is bad mmmk.

All to often filesharers are painted as evil pirates who steal from artists and the music industry. However, a recent study has found that those downloading illegally, spend more money purchasing music legally than those who don't download at all.

Research group Demos surveyed over a thousand British people between the ages of 16 and 50 and found that one in ten people admitted to filesharing. However, those that download music illegally spent an average of £77 (around $126) on music each year. Those who say they don't use p2p sites spend an average of £44 (around $72).

The BBC reports that, of the 16-24 year-olds surveyed, 75 percent of them were willing to pay for their tracks if the price was right. The group agreed that a price of 45p (roughly 75c) would be ideal.

Do you think this is an accurate representation of those who use peer to peer services like the Pirate Bay? Indeed, an awful lot of people download their music illegally but if these results are to be believed, then these folk also purchase a significant amount of music each year. Many of you have said in the past that you'll download a track and if you like it, pay for it out of respect for the artist. Then again, a lot of you seem to think record labels make too much money off of the artists they sign and refuse to contribute to that kind of business model.

They might just be more interested in music as a group. That doesn't justify piracy.duxup

Since I've started downloading music, I've ended up buying far more music than I normally would because downloading opened me up to so much more I wouldn't have normally heard.

[QUOTE="duxup"]They might just be more interested in music as a group. That doesn't justify piracy.Teenaged

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[QUOTE="duxup"]They might just be more interested in music as a group. That doesn't justify piracy.duxup

Most likely.

Makes sense. I often hear many songs from an album before I buy it... and it isn't the radio that's providing me.

Nothing wrong with the try before you buy mentality. It's part of being an informed consumer.

I openly admit to downloading things illegally. It helps me sort out what's crap and what's actually worth buying.

I've downloaded songs without buying them for more than ten years.

The findings of this survey don't surprise however thefact that people did this survey surprises me very much indeed. There are a lot of CD's I wouldn't have bought if I hadn't heard them first through youtube or my friends stuff. Also I always make sure to buy an album if its a small band that most people don't really know about.

They might just be more interested in music as a group. That doesn't justify piracy.duxup

[QUOTE="duxup"]They might just be more interested in music as a group. That doesn't justify piracy.htekemerald

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[QUOTE="duxup"]They might just be more interested in music as a group. That doesn't justify piracy.duxup

They might just be more interested in music as a group. That doesn't justify piracy.duxup

[QUOTE="duxup"]They might just be more interested in music as a group. That doesn't justify piracy.htekemerald

Everything you do must have atleast some justification. We never do anything for no reason. Piracy needs alot of justification, seeing as no has given any decent justification so far.

For the people who say they download before they buy, use YouTube or if your in the UK Spotify. There you go, problem solved, now you can stop pirating. Only I doubt that's going to stop you. "But the sound quality", yeah, that's why you have to buy it. "Not everything is on there." There's very little that's not. "But I don't have an internet connection." Ok that one wasn't serious, but honestly saying you want to test something before you buy it is no excuse for piracy.

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[QUOTE="duxup"]They might just be more interested in music as a group. That doesn't justify piracy.WasntAvailable

Everything you do must have atleast some justification. We never do anything for no reason. Piracy needs alot of justification, seeing as no has given any decent justification so far.

For the people who say they download before they buy, use YouTube or if your in the UK Spotify. There you go, problem solved, now you can stop pirating. Only I doubt that's going to stop you. "But the sound quality", yeah, that's why you have to buy it. "Not everything is on there." There's very little that's not. "But I don't have an internet connection." Ok that one wasn't serious, but honestly saying you want to test something before you buy it is no excuse for piracy.

You can't download movies or games on youtube. And I also like to try those before i buy them. Also, the sound quality on you tube is atrocious.

OP seems to contradict itself. I don't know who tomsguide is or how accurate his survey is....so I don't necessarily believe it.LJS9502_basic

Yes it's stealing.

But at least I don't feel like an idiot when something ends up being garbage like I would if I had spent money.

Downloading has saved me thousands of dollars on what would have been crappy purchases.

AFraud

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Yes it's stealing.

But at least I don't feel like an idiot when something ends up being garbage like I would if I had spent money.

Downloading has saved me thousands of dollars on what would have been crappy purchases.

Ontain

actually no. it's not stealing. it's copyright infringement. nothing actually got stolen. ppl just used the material in an unlawful way.(without license)Ontain

I have literally no incentive to care if it's stealing or copyright infringement.

Obviously a lot of other people feel the same way.

Also, to whoever moderated me, i was not asking for or providing roms or warez. Stop making things up.

I have literally no incentive to care if it's stealing or copyright infringement.

Obviously a lot of other people feel the same way.

AFraud

this is how you can run a torrent site and keep it up by using smart writing skills and pretending to be ignorant / underhanded.

this is a letter the lead sysop of what wrote back to a lawyer representing the major record labels of canada. after this letter about a year ago, they have not been bothered legally since.

"Dear representative of the McCarthy Tétrault law firm,

I represent the staff of the website What.CD. I am writing this email because we recently received an email from your law firm stating that our website is responsible for "massive infringements of copyright in Canada and elsewhere of works and other subject matter protected by copyright". I would like to respond to these accusations, and hopefully put this matter to rest.

In your email, you gave us two examples of torrents which you claimed infringe upon your copyright. Unfortunately, the staff of our site was both unaware that these torrents existed, and (obviously) similarly unaware that the content they describe infringed upon your copyright - What.CD is non-profit, and we therefore lack the resources necessary to police the content our users transfer between each other with any degree of effectiveness.

We are currently operating under the knowledge that hosting a BitTorrent tracker in Canada is not illegal, and, so long as one is not supplying the infringing files oneself, does not constitute copyright infringement. As the data our site and tracker supply is nothing but metadata which only describes users and the files they transfer to each other (which may or may not infringe upon your various copyrights), we are not committing any offence under current Canadian law. Needless to say, your concern that there are "tens of thousands of sound recordings that are unlawfully hosted on the What.cd site" is therefore quite unfounded and should cease to cause either party any more worry.

In short, the site and tracker only aid users to connect with each other - the data they send between each other once these connections are established is completely outside of our control.

Due to the reasons outlined above, we believe that we have full rights to continue operating in Canada if we continue supplying only metadata, and not copyrighted files. However, if you can demonstrate that this is not the case, or the law in Canada suddenly changes so that it becomes illegal to supply this metadata, we shall endeavour to take measures to comply with your outlined demands - starting with the third one (keeping records of visitors to our site). As we are currently not keeping records of IP addresses of visitors to the site, and are as of yet unaware of how to do so, there is a good possibility of us having to hire a technical aide to assist us in this matter - and, due to our non-profit status, this could be more difficult than you imagine.

I would like to thank you of alerting us to what our users are using our site and tracker for. However, as I demonstrated above, the data that users transfer between each other is outside of both our control and our responsibility - and even if it was our responsibility, we would not have the resources necessary to take care of it due to our non-profit status.

I hope this email has brought this matter to a close. Thank you again for writing,

--'WhatMan' (What.CD SysOp)"

its an interesting read ;)

Or you just do what pirate bay does and tell the lawyers to go (have sex) with themselves with a rubber baton. And then recommend a specific model of rubber baton.

[QUOTE="Ontain"]actually no. it's not stealing. it's copyright infringement. nothing actually got stolen. ppl just used the material in an unlawful way.(without license)LJS9502_basic

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[QUOTE="Ontain"]actually no. it's not stealing. it's copyright infringement. nothing actually got stolen. ppl just used the material in an unlawful way.(without license)Ontain

Or you just do what pirate bay does and tell the lawyers to go (have sex) with themselves with a rubber baton. And then recommend a specific model of rubber baton.

AFraud

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Or you just do what pirate bay does and tell the lawyers to go (have sex) with themselves with a rubber baton. And then recommend a specific model of rubber baton.

nimatoad2000

Um, pirate bay is still up and as popular as ever. How about you know what you're talking about before posting.

[QUOTE="nimatoad2000"][QUOTE="AFraud"]

Or you just do what pirate bay does and tell the lawyers to go (have sex) with themselves with a rubber baton. And then recommend a specific model of rubber baton.

AFraud

Um, pirate bay is still up and as popular as ever. How about you know what you're talking about before posting.

i was under the impression that they got taken down and were going to be turned into a legit site. i'm sorry but i havnt used public trackers for 3 years so forgive me for not knowing TPB's current status. regardless, it is a pretty terrible public site. any public site is terrible. incorrectly tagged music, horrible search system, bad bitrates, mash up discographies, bad selection, hit and run leechers, viruses all over the place, torrents with no seeders, missing albums and almost impossible to find rarer artists.

EDIT: haha pirates bay is actually down right now. so who gets the last laugh buddy?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=down+for+everyone+or+just+me

Or you just do what pirate bay does and tell the lawyers to go (have sex) with themselves with a rubber baton. And then recommend a specific model of rubber baton.

AFraud

Since I've started downloading music, I've ended up buying far more music than I normally would because downloading opened me up to so much more I wouldn't have normally heard.

dhyce

this. downloading a few songs has opened me up to so much music. I always get a few to see if I like it, the nI go out and buy the album

Since I've started downloading music, I've ended up buying far more music than I normally would because downloading opened me up to so much more I wouldn't have normally heard.

dhyce

Exactly.

It amazes me how the record companies are so incredibly anal about letting anyone experience the music for free at will, ESPECIALLY on youtube.

THey have absolutely NO CONCEPT of advertising and how people shop. You honestly expect me to go and buy your album if I can't listen to any of the music beforehand? You are dreaming. I need at least SOME taste of the music to get my interests.

They might just be more interested in music as a group. That doesn't justify piracy.duxup

Since I've started downloading music, I've ended up buying far more music than I normally would because downloading opened me up to so much more I wouldn't have normally heard.

dhyce

[QUOTE="duxup"]They might just be more interested in music as a group. That doesn't justify piracy.Toriko42

Since I've started downloading music, I've ended up buying far more music than I normally would because downloading opened me up to so much more I wouldn't have normally heard.

dhyce

[QUOTE="Toriko42"][QUOTE="duxup"]They might just be more interested in music as a group. That doesn't justify piracy.LJS9502_basic