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#1 skipper847
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Police are useless. We not reported it but some one else must have. We have reported eggs though been chucked at the window. I live opposite a park and this past year there have been a group of kids hanging around in the bush making it as a den and smoking illegal drugs. Any way in the past year I have only seen police 4 times walk round. Yesterday a police car pulled up and 2 got out. They went round where the kids hang out but no one was there has it was raining. The police only check when its raining so they can report that no problem in this area. The kids also been chucking things at cars going past too so it probably this who reported them. But police only coming out when its raining is beyond a joke.

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#2 Willy105
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That sounds terrible.

Unfortunately police tend to be overworked and understaffed.

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@Willy105 said:

That sounds terrible.

Unfortunately police tend to be overworked and understaffed.

And underpaid.

To the OP, clearly the police in your area have better things to be doing. Keep making complaints and getting them on file. If things get more serious, now they have a record of escalation and can increase priority.

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#4 stuff238
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Police have better things to do than worry about eggs on your car.

Take Matter into your own hands and lay the Smackdown on those kids.

Willy from Ban Santa did that and he felt proud of himself. Like he accomplished something.

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You should have a gun right? Scare them off

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police are a joke because you have some random eggers on the loose in your neighborhood?

what the **** is this

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#8  Edited By skipper847
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@jimy1475: We don't own a gun.

@stuff238: Eggs at window on the house. Throwing stones and stuff at cars. If we took matters into us own hands then we would see the police all time as it be us doing wrong. Cleaning up the egg is a job in its self. Would you want to do it all time?.

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@foxhound_fox said:

And underpaid.

To the OP, clearly the police in your area have better things to be doing. Keep making complaints and getting them on file. If things get more serious, now they have a record of escalation and can increase priority.

"Beat cops" are rarely doing anything important.

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#10  Edited By skipper847
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@kod: yup that who they where it was the non emergency police. Its even written on the police car with the number 101 for non emergencies. That's the number we phoned when we phoned the police and we was on hold for 35 minutes. Good job its a free phone number.

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@foxhound_fox said:
@Willy105 said:

That sounds terrible.

Unfortunately police tend to be overworked and understaffed.

And underpaid.

To the OP, clearly the police in your area have better things to be doing. Keep making complaints and getting them on file. If things get more serious, now they have a record of escalation and can increase priority.

Not so underpaid for government employees.

Unless you live in a war zone how hard is it for a cop to take a report?

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When you have laws being broken with no consequences, then yes, I'd call that a joke.

I'd love if TC could take matters into his/her own hands but that equals breaking laws. Police should do their job, no ifs or buts.

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#13  Edited By skipper847
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They take no care either when on push bikes nearly getting knocked over. One driver had a right argument with this 12 year old or so. All kid did was just say F off you * to driver. Ive already seen a cat and a dog been run over so its only a matter of time be for one of them do. Any way one day I was walking up and on main road there was a group of kids on bikes. One decided to play chicken with a bus. Shouting out. Lets beat the bus and bus only missing him by inches.

They don't actually bother me when there out some even say thank you for letting them pass on path on bikes but you do get one or two people arguing with them for been on path.

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#14  Edited By mrbojangles25
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Take photos, document, yell at them.

Not to come off apathetic, but police are generally pretty busy and overworked, and some kids throwing eggs are just not that high a priority. Furthermore, the kids won't be there when they arrive, and the only alternative is to put a police car on the corner to watch for kids and that is a huuuuuuuuuuge waste of resources.

So find evidence, document, and take it down to the station. Do you know where these kids live? Spoken to their families?

@foxhound_fox said:
@Willy105 said:

That sounds terrible.

Unfortunately police tend to be overworked and understaffed.

And underpaid.

Rarely underpaid. Overworked and understaffed, sure, but not underpaid. Especially when you factor in benefits, perks, retirement, etc.

Cops don't have it easy, but let's not make them out to be martyrs.

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Here's a tip: video those little shits causing trouble secretly and show it to their parents.

Police ain't going to do anything with your problem, it's consider low priority. Strange how they only walk around your when it's raining only.

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@omegamaster said:

Here's a tip: video those little shits causing trouble secretly and show it to their parents.

Police ain't going to do anything with your problem, it's consider low priority. Strange how they only walk around your when it's raining only.

Agree with this. You should first know who are doing this to you. Then report it to the police, it will be a lot easier for them to take actions when they know who to blame.

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Police are useless. We not reported it but some one else must have. We have reported eggs though been chucked at the window. I live opposite a park and this past year there have been a group of kids hanging around in the bush making it as a den and smoking illegal drugs. Any way in the past year I have only seen police 4 times walk round. Yesterday a police car pulled up and 2 got out. They went round where the kids hang out but no one was there has it was raining. The police only check when its raining so they can report that no problem in this area. The kids also been chucking things at cars going past too so it probably this who reported them. But police only coming out when its raining is beyond a joke.

Unfortunately, police often have better things to do than check up on some punk-ass kids who are throwing eggs. I'm sure there would be a quicker response to petty crimes such as this if there was a larger reserve force of extra officers, but then people would complain that their tax money is going towards paying a bunch of officers to do nothing but sit on their asses 90% of the time.

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#18 SOedipus
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Sounds like you live in a shitty area. Maybe it’s a no-go zone cause it’s so dangerous with the threat of being hit by eggs and lemons. Time to move.

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#19 skipper847
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@SOedipus: lol.

It is a shitty area not as nice where I came from. I've been here now just over 3 years and its only 5 min walk away from town too. I come from only 5 miles away but from a village down a cul-de-sac to a main road next to a park. I my self didn't want to move here I said to my parents from day one when they thought about moving I said. Why you want to buy a house next to a main road out side a park Its going to noisy. Yes they wanted to down size as house was too big as I was only one living there as they go away a lot so having a bigger house made no sense. They have bought a flat here too but rent it out and the people there say how nice the area is. I think it just that we live next to a park and kids these days not got anything to do and a lot of parents either not got time as working or just don't give a shit them self's.

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#20 NathanDrakeSwag
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Who calls the cops over kids throwing eggs? Throw eggs back at them. As soon as they get hit in the face with an egg they'll run away.

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#21  Edited By skipper847
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@NathanDrakeSwag:

gezze again it just not that. But would you like to keep washing window and walls down every week?. Also these days you cant touch them as soon as they make a complaint about you then the police will do something then it be you in the wrong. You use to be able to smack your own kids if they did something wrong but Scotland is to introduce a ban on smacking your kids if they do something. If you do and the kid tells on parents then its the parents what will get arrested. That's why there like what they are today and only going to get worse. Even if you filmed them you probably be ladled as a pedo how this nanny state is becoming.

That why we phoned 101 and not 999 as its not an emergency but a on going nuisance. It is school holidays this week so I expect no police to come round this week.

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They are there now. Just been out for a walk and it reeks and got music on too. There's about 15 of them just hanging around.

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@skipper847 said:

@jimy1475: We don't own a gun.

@stuff238: Eggs at window on the house. Throwing stones and stuff at cars. If we took matters into us own hands then we would see the police all time as it be us doing wrong. Cleaning up the egg is a job in its self. Would you want to do it all time?.

Capture them on video and send them to the police. Press charges.

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#24  Edited By Jak42
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Nabbing street dealers is redundant. Cops want the suppliers to cripple the distribution network.

Detectives are working on multiple cases at a time. Stacks of paper high. Their work also includes chasing leads off duty. Some local nobody is naturally a very low priority. In more relatable terms, the police is the Emergency Room. Doesn't matter how long you've waited and that you been there all day. ER resources will be prioritized on the serious cases as they come in.

Also, perhaps going to a communtiy meeting. Talking to local politicians, the district attorney office with evidence. Could help speed the process.

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@omegamaster said:

Here's a tip: video those little shits causing trouble secretly and show it to their parents.

Police ain't going to do anything with your problem, it's consider low priority. Strange how they only walk around your when it's raining only.

Actually if he videotapes it he can sue the parents for damages.

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#26 skipper847
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Just this evening about 19:30 my dad went to shop and on way back he said that an egg came flying from park and hit a car. (Not aiming at my dad). The women in the car pulled over and went on phone straight away. I don't no who to but my guess is the police.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@omegamaster said:

Here's a tip: video those little shits causing trouble secretly and show it to their parents.

Police ain't going to do anything with your problem, it's consider low priority. Strange how they only walk around your when it's raining only.

Actually if he videotapes it he can sue the parents for damages.

Or make it viral on the internet >:D

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#28 jdc6305
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I've seen my share of dirty cops over the years. Some are ok but there are some that are literally scumbags.

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@22Toothpicks said:

police are a joke because you have some random eggers on the loose in your neighborhood?

what the **** is this

Is that suburban life?

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Do people only read half of the topics these days. As said it just not eggs. Its stones at cars, smoking illegal drugs in park where people walk round. There been a couple of fires set to seats and climbing frames. Now the council is building a shelter for them inside the park so there be even more parties on a night as it be that bit cosier and warmer for them.

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#31 goodzorr
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Seems like something on the a PCSO would get involved with at this stage. Record them being violent and you may have a leg to stand on. Otherwise, maybe ignore them and they might get bored? Or go over with a football or something and engage? I have no idea how old you are so that may not look too clever haha.

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#32 Ice-Cube
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Film them, or set up surveillance cameras then send it to the police.

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#33 Jacanuk
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LOL is this the twilight zone.

Someone is mad because the cops who for sure have better things to do then hang around kids being moronic kids like any other today.

lol darn, to bad the cops don´t come out with the swat team and take these major criminals down.

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#34  Edited By jun_aka_pekto
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@PSP107 said:

Is that suburban life?

Probably not. The only place where kids gather at my neighborhood is the skateboarding park (or the subdivision swimming pool). They have their own cars. So, I doubt they'll be throwing around stones, lemons, and eggs.

Believe or not, we have plenty of lemon, grapefruit, and other citrus fruit trees here in Arizona. There are plenty of fruits on the ground and no one's touching them.

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#35  Edited By Jak42
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@skipper847 said:

Do people only read half of the topics these days. As said it just not eggs. Its stones at cars, smoking illegal drugs in park where people walk round. There been a couple of fires set to seats and climbing frames. Now the council is building a shelter for them inside the park so there be even more parties on a night as it be that bit cosier and warmer for them.

Seems more like a political issue than a police one.

Unless you can rally the community to lobby, call, or storm the equivalent of a town/community meeting. To object having that shelter in the park. Then it will surely be built. If the local community doesn't speak out, then politicians will have no issue having public nuisances in your neighborhood. As it would be out of sight, and out of mind; of local politicians and the politically active communities in your area. Who would otherwise rally to not have an unwanted presence in their neighborhood.

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They probably just don't want to do the paperwork involved lol

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@skipper847 said:

Police are useless. We not reported it but some one else must have. We have reported eggs though been chucked at the window. I live opposite a park and this past year there have been a group of kids hanging around in the bush making it as a den and smoking illegal drugs. Any way in the past year I have only seen police 4 times walk round. Yesterday a police car pulled up and 2 got out. They went round where the kids hang out but no one was there has it was raining. The police only check when its raining so they can report that no problem in this area. The kids also been chucking things at cars going past too so it probably this who reported them. But police only coming out when its raining is beyond a joke.

Call them again, and tell em they robbed the doughnut shop, lol .. I bet they will be there.

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#38  Edited By LJS9502_basic
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@double_decker said:

They probably just don't want to do the paperwork involved lol

Or put their donuts down..............>_>

Yeah I went there.......

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@LJS9502_basic said:

Or put their donuts down..............>_>

Yeah I went there.......

How did you know they had donuts?.... Creepy.... >.>

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#41  Edited By hanrian
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maybe your life is joke too

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@skipper847 said:

Police are useless. We not reported it but some one else must have. We have reported eggs though been chucked at the window. I live opposite a park and this past year there have been a group of kids hanging around in the bush making it as a den and smoking illegal drugs. Any way in the past year I have only seen police 4 times walk round. Yesterday a police car pulled up and 2 got out. They went round where the kids hang out but no one was there has it was raining. The police only check when its raining so they can report that no problem in this area. The kids also been chucking things at cars going past too so it probably this who reported them. But police only coming out when its raining is beyond a joke.

A misdemeanor vandalism that just occurred is going to be very low on the priority list. Based on limited resources (not all departments are similar, but from my end), we handle calls in terms of priority or in some cases, in a matter of convenience (e.g. another call is on the way to the next call) if the prior call isn't immediately pressing.

Second of all, it's going to a misdemeanor not committed in the presence of the officer (unless the dumb kids are still doing it as the police arrive), which means a citizen's arrest is necessary for the vandalism. That means the original reporting party (RP) has to initiate the citizen's arrest. What does that mean for you? You, as the RP, will be required to go to court and all that liability rests on you.

Thirdly, no one would go to jail over this - nor go to juvenile hall - it would be a cite and release on the spot. So at the end of the day, these rascal kids will only get a ticket for their childish actions and be sent on their way.

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Sadly they are not jokes, they are often power hungry lunatics, who are often bigoted toward race and social class. They are given a badge and gun, a licence to kill, and they seem very proud to exercise that power dynamic over sane, normal human beings.

Their job is to solve problems and often require them to deescalate a situation but not many are capable of doing this. They live in a bubble where they've convinced themselves that everyone is evil and out to do them harm so it often leads to them pulling their gun on someone for little to no legitimate reason. And of course because they are not properly trained this more often than not leads to negative interactions with people in the communities they are supposed to be protecting. They are almost never held to any kind of legal repercussions for their often illegal activities and of course many have convinced themselves that its acceptable to live in a society where we do not hold police accountable for their actions. Many are worse than the drug dealers they arrest, some are worse than the murderers they arrest and most are worse than the average citizen who they arrest, fine, harass, whatever they can do to wield their power over citizens.

There's a bit of a litmus test we can do with police. If they agree that officers should be held to the same legal standards as the public, with even harsher sentencing because of the power and legal authority that is entrusted in them when their illegal activities are shown to be intentional and not simply an act of circumstance.... well then you have a good officer who understands the importance of getting this right. If not, you have a problem. Sadly not too many officers will pass this test as most regularly lie under oath, plant drugs, plant guns, do anything they can do to help get that raise or to pocket some money.

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Its hard to find a new clips or video on bad this story is. For those who do not want to read it, ill simplify it. Police had a snitch who told them this guy grew weed. The snitch placed some weed plants in this guys house a couple days before they raided. The guy noticed, obviously, and destroyed the plants but also became paranoid because someone had just broken into his house. So he legally buys a gun to protect himself and girlfriend/wife. A day or two later at between 4-5AM he hears someone trying to kick in his door, so he pops out of bed with his gun and fires through the door. This killed an officer and amazingly this kid was not executed on site. The officer died because of his snitch and because they didnt vocalize that it was the police coming through the door. The man ended up getting 8 years i believe, but during his trial there were like 13 jail house snitches who all claimed that he told them he was out to kill cops, including the original snitch. It ended up being demonstrated that these people were full of it, most never even living in the same housing unit as the kid but all making deals with police for reduced sentences. In other words, it was demonstrated that the police basically told these people what to say and instructed them to lie in court. They also said they announced who they were, but of course there was video and they didnt and blah blah blah. The amount of lying by this police force and illegal behavior was on par with any organized crime group. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/03/18/us/texas-no-knock-warrant-drugs.html

We also have the Alton Sterling case that involved police murdering an unarmed citizen, while he was on the ground and... it was basically an execution. If this was not bad enough the officer who did this arrested the shop owner, kept him in his car for six hours (illegally) , while that officer went inside the mans store and destroyed all video evidence of his crime. And of course the cop still has a job http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/06/us/baton-rouge-shooting-alton-sterling/index.html

And everyone knows the Walter Scott case where the man was shot six times i believe, in the back while running away and then the officer who did this planted a taser next to him, unaware he was being recorded and his fellow officers went along with his bullshit story.

We could spend all day posting these cases and how they are always viewed as an "isolated incident" and the especially stupid love to unironically use the term "a few bad apples" without understanding what that means..... that seems to happen every couple days (statistics suggest it happens roughly once every three to four days) but we always get the same defense from the same criminals who are also acting in this very irrational manner. The reality is if we had a functioning justice system that attempted to solve these problems, most of these cases would require the death penalty. Im not a death penalty fan but i do feel it serves a function in our society, it simply has to be used properly. Those who commit egregious crimes like serial killing, serial rape and murder or brutality, and of course those who commit crimes like murder, rape, torture, and are also the front lines of our legal system. Of the options i gave, the last one (the police) would be the only one that really helps to serve society and to ensure we maintain citizens rights. And nothing will change until we start holding police accountable for their criminal behavior. But hey, what do i know?

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#46  Edited By LJS9502_basic
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@thegerg said:

@skipper847:

"The police only check when its raining so they can report that no problem in this area."

As a cop I can tell you that, if anything, the opposite of this is true. If anything, a cop is going to find an excuse to NOT get out of his car in the rain.

Cop now? Last time you said you were a lawyer.

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#48 LJS9502_basic
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@thegerg said:

@LJS9502_basic:

I can guarantee you that I've never claimed to be a lawyer.

Yeah you did but I'm not that fussed to go looking for the post.

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#50 LJS9502_basic
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@LJS9502_basic:

No, I didn't. Your unwillingness to even try to support your claim really shows how much you believe in yourself.

Or it show's I don't give a ****.