POLL if Israeli strike Iran, should the US militarily help?

[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"]Israel is worst than Iran. We should never support them.l4dak47

The USA is an Christian Country. Or so it claims.I-Need-Games

"Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

The Tripoli treaty. I'd think the First Amendment would be good enough to answer that question.

HELL NO, I'm sick of US involvement in the middle east conflicts.

The U.S should help Iran.GettingTired

As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries. USA was founded on Christian principles. Do more research before your mouth opens. The government doesn't make up the whole country. So i'm pretty sure there are way more christians than any other religion in the USA. Correct me if i'm wrong.I-Need-Games

Err..what? The US is not a christian country, there is no reference to god in the constitution, many of our founding father's were deists who hated christianity, such as Ben"lighthouses are more useful than churches" Franklin, and don't even get started on Jefferson. And what does the bolded statement mean? Having more christians doesn't make the country into a theocracy or have its laws based on christian scripture.

USA was founded on Christian principles. Do more research before your mouth opens. The government doesn't make up the whole country. So i'm pretty sure there are way more christians than any other religion in the USA. Correct me if i'm wrong.I-Need-Games

You were presented with the text of a legal document issued by the US government, which you countered with vague opinions. At the same time, you demand that your opponent conduct research. You don't get to criticize someone's evidence while producing none of your own.

USA was founded on Christian principles. Do more research before your mouth opens. The government doesn't make up the whole country. So i'm pretty sure there are way more christians than any other religion in the USA. Correct me if i'm wrong.I-Need-Games

[QUOTE="GettingTired"]The U.S should help Iran.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="GettingTired"]The U.S should help Iran.lordreaven

They'd probably pay for lots of the war like they have done in previous Israeli wars.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="GettingTired"]The U.S should help Iran.lordreaven

[QUOTE="lordreaven"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] No the US should not help Iran...LJS9502_basic

Fixed.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="lordreaven"] You should read one of my other posts here, it may actually help the US to help Iran.Stesilaus

Fixed.

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[QUOTE="I-Need-Games"]As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries. USA was founded on Christian principles. Do more research before your mouth opens. The government doesn't make up the whole country. So i'm pretty sure there are way more christians than any other religion in the USA. Correct me if i'm wrong.Former_Slacker

Err..what? The US is not a christian country, there is no reference to god in the constitution, many of our founding father's were deists who hated christianity, such as Ben"lighthouses are more useful than churches" Franklin, and don't even get started on Jefferson. And what does the bolded statement mean? Having more christians doesn't make the country into a theocracy or have its laws based on christian scripture.

[QUOTE="I-Need-Games"]USA was founded on Christian principles. Do more research before your mouth opens. The government doesn't make up the whole country. So i'm pretty sure there are way more christians than any other religion in the USA. Correct me if i'm wrong.Palantas

You were presented with the text of a legal document issued by the US government, which you countered with vague opinions. At the same time, you demand that your opponent conduct research. You don't get to criticize someone's evidence while producing none of your own.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]If Iran continues down the path to nuclear weapons, the USA will have no choice but to support a military option...Snipes_2

[QUOTE="lordreaven"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] No the US should not help Iran...l4dak47

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]If Iran continues down the path to nuclear weapons, the USA will have no choice but to support a military option...dk00111

Read the link, sir. Facts. Factual based evidence. Like I said, this subject is very controversial. So who knows who is right?I-Need-Games

I'm not going to go read a link to make your case, because you're too lazy to make it yourself. I'm not sure you understand the concept of research. Facts are observations or pieces of undisputed data. Those are what you source with links. You use these to create theories, which you reinforce with more facts, and you form tightly-knit conclusions. These conclusions are what you post here.

In the final part of your post, you seem to suggest that this probem is incomprehensible, which is direct contradiction to your earlier posts, where you took a firm stand on the issue. So which is it?

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="lordreaven"] You should read one of my other posts here, it may actually help the US to help Iran.lordreaven

[QUOTE="lordreaven"][QUOTE="l4dak47"] I'll have to respectfully disagree with your reasons. First off, Iran's president hates the U.S. and would never allow himself to be associated with the U.S. Even if he did, he would probably be killed by his supporters as well as condemned by everyone else. Bin laden's followers are brainwashed to the point where they're willing to die for Osama so they probably wouldn't question Osama and if they did, they'd be killed. You also have to consider the fact that Osama is in a position of power and he doesn't want to give up that position. If he started supporting the U.S, he'd have to give up that power. The odds of your scenario happening is almost non-existent. Politics is never that simple. You also need to acknowledge that many Americans would practically kill the President for supporting a country that has supported terrorists. Terrorists that probably have killed U.S soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan. l4dak47

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="lordreaven"] I'm not so sure, Iran wouldn'd be able to clam the US is the devil if it received support, teh US hating side would disovle pretty quickly as they would have no more ammo to gain supporters, Osama would be forced to either declare Jihad on another muslim nation for getting support, or risk loosing some of his not so die hard supporters. And since helping Iran would put troops in teh country already, if a pro democratic reveloution breaks out, you can unofficially support the reveloutionarys. Not to mention Isreal would be forced to accept a balanced peace with the Palestinians. Ofcourse this isn't fool proof, but its better than what the current strategy is now.lordreaven

Very thoughtful input there, i actually agree with you, even though the most famous battles in History where giant gambles, this one could backfie disastously.lordreaven

"Disatrously"? When I think of disastrous, I think Gaugamela, Waterloo, and Kursk. Nothing that happens over there is going to be disastrous for the United States. It'll just be inconvenient. And yeah, it might set in motion a chain of events that could **** things up 30 years from now, but that's always true.

[QUOTE="lordreaven"]Very thoughtful input there, i actually agree with you, even though the most famous battles in History where giant gambles, this one could backfie disastously.Palantas

"Disatrously"? When I think of disastrous, I think Gaugamela, Waterloo, and Kursk. Nothing that happens over there is going to be disastrous for the United States. It'll just be inconvenient. And yeah, it might set in motion a chain of events that could **** things up 30 years from now, but that's always true.

That would certainly be a tricky situation. On one hand Iran oppresses its people, is constantly is defiant to the rest of the world, and is probably trying to build a nuke. On the other hand, America is spread quite thin right now militarily, and another costly war, especially if it is avoidable, is probably outside of our ability. Either way, I don't think Israel would really need our help, they could probably handle Iran, especially considering some of their population seems pretty sick of that regime

no choice we will have to jump in the fight. the US military is all messed up right now in the way how to handle the war in iraq and in afghan and pakie

The Israelis are like the north koreans in a sense.... all bark and no bite when it comes to invasion. Israel would lose far more attacking Iran than they would gain.

Either way I don't think the US military should help.. especially with the way Israel has be acting toward them....

The Israelis are like the north koreans in a sense.... all bark and no bite when it comes to invasion. Israel would lose far more attacking Iran than they would gain by just throwing around words.

Either way I don't think the US military should help.. especially with the way Israel has be acting toward them....

Espada12

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

The Israelis are like the north koreans in a sense.... all bark and no bite when it comes to invasion. Israel would lose far more attacking Iran than they would gain by just throwing around words.

Either way I don't think the US military should help.. especially with the way Israel has be acting toward them....

testfactor888

North korea has nukes.. that's all they need to backup their words.

[QUOTE="testfactor888"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

The Israelis are like the north koreans in a sense.... all bark and no bite when it comes to invasion. Israel would lose far more attacking Iran than they would gain by just throwing around words.

Either way I don't think the US military should help.. especially with the way Israel has be acting toward them....

Espada12

North korea has nukes.. that's all they need to backup their words.

I recall Iran publically announcing theirwish to blow Isreal and the US off the map, so if the former does invade I would imagine it's because such a plan has been set in motion and the later ought to give them a hand.

The Israelis are like the north koreans in a sense.... all bark and no bite when it comes to invasion. Israel would lose far more attacking Iran than they would gain.

Either way I don't think the US military should help.. especially with the way Israel has be acting toward them....

Espada12

I recall Iran publically announcing theirwish to blow Isreal and the US off the map, so if the former does invade I would imagine it's because such a plan has been set in motion and the later ought to give them a hand.

Head_of_games

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[QUOTE="testfactor888"] Unlike North Korea though Israel has the technology to back up its words. testfactor888

North korea has nukes.. that's all they need to backup their words.

I know, which is why I said they are kind of like N Korea when it comes to invasion. Come to think of it does Israel have any troops in the Iraq war? Because I don't remember them having any troops there and if they are willing to let you guys hang out to dry like that American support for them seems very silly.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

The Israelis are like the north koreans in a sense.... all bark and no bite when it comes to invasion. Israel would lose far more attacking Iran than they would gain.

Either way I don't think the US military should help.. especially with the way Israel has be acting toward them....

Plzhelpmelearn

I don't think Israel would ever leave that little area they are in with their military.

[QUOTE="Head_of_games"]

I recall Iran publically announcing theirwish to blow Isreal and the US off the map, so if the former does invade I would imagine it's because such a plan has been set in motion and the later ought to give them a hand.

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I recall Iran publically announcing theirwish to blow Isreal and the US off the map, so if the former does invade I would imagine it's because such a plan has been set in motion and the later ought to give them a hand.