POLL if Israeli strike Iran, should the US militarily help?

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[QUOTE="Milad360"]

what do you know about iran?absolutly nothing.in iran we are 2 groups,first goverment informer and people,you only saw irans goverment not people,we dont like war we dont want war all i'm trying to say is if a country want to strike us we will fight until we are alive for our territory not for our goverment(akhoondaye folan shode)-*iranian guy*.

Milad360

And you know nothing about Israel. Funny isn't it? Iran's people talk about how they don't agree withAhmadinejad, yet do nothing to overthrow him. If an advanced country like Israel were to go to war with Iran, it would be the end for Iran. Technology > all when it comes to warfare. Iran has what as far as military technology? Iran's main assault rifle is the H&K G3, hello 1950's technology.

Um hello, the information about Iran's armed forces is readily available to the public on the internet. And I'm not from the US. I'm from the exact same area as you. You don't do anything to overthrow him. Know how I know? 'Cause he isn't ousted yet. Obama is not "overthrown" because he was actually DEMOCRATICALLY elected. He may not be a great president, but he's not a dictator either.

And technology is always the best weapon in a war. It doesn't matter how many rag-tag rock throwers you can muster, there is always a technological advancement to overcome it. The G3 is an outdated rifle.

And you know enough about Palestine? Then you would know their innocents aren't being killed, as they would like you to think. Sure, a few have died because of explosives, but how about the hundreds of innocent Israelis that have been killed by missiles from the north and from bombers from Palestine? Go ahead and preach that Palestine is being oppressed, but before you do that actually take a trip and experience both areas. I have, and lived in one of them for years. You know as much as media tells you, yet have no first hand experience.

I would hope that Irsael would obliterate Iran ifIranians intended to "wipe the Jews off the map" as their President is so fond of saying.

I would hope that Irsael would obliterate Iran ifIranians intended to "wipe the Jews off the map" as their President is so fond of saying.

p2250

I would hope that Irsael would obliterate Iran ifIranians intended to "wipe the Jews off the map" as their President is so fond of saying.

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I would hope that Irsael would obliterate Iran ifIranians intended to "wipe the Jews off the map" as their President is so fond of saying.

rmfd341

He's also fond of saying that the Holocaust is a lie. I would hope you aren't of the same opinion there too.

If Iran continues down the path to nuclear weapons, the USA will have no choice but to support a military option...Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="rmfd341"][QUOTE="p2250"]

I would hope that Irsael would obliterate Iran ifIranians intended to "wipe the Jews off the map" as their President is so fond of saying.

p2250

Wait what? You also realise there are Jews who believe Israel shouldn't exist right?

[QUOTE="rmfd341"][QUOTE="p2250"]

I would hope that Irsael would obliterate Iran ifIranians intended to "wipe the Jews off the map" as their President is so fond of saying.

p2250

I would hope that Irsael would obliterate Iran ifIranians intended to "wipe the Jews off the map" as their President is so fond of saying.

[QUOTE="p2250"][QUOTE="rmfd341"][QUOTE="p2250"]Um hello, the information about Iran's armed forces is readily available to the public on the internet. And I'm not from the US. I'm from the exact same area as you. You don't do anything to overthrow him. Know how I know? 'Cause he isn't ousted yet. Obama is not "overthrown" because he was actually DEMOCRATICALLY elected. He may not be a great president, but he's not a dictator either.

And technology is always the best weapon in a war. It doesn't matter how many rag-tag rock throwers you can muster, there is always a technological advancement to overcome it. The G3 is an outdated rifle.

And you know enough about Palestine? Then you would know their innocents aren't being killed, as they would like you to think. Sure, a few have died because of explosives, but how about the hundreds of innocent Israelis that have been killed by missiles from the north and from bombers from Palestine? Go ahead and preach that Palestine is being oppressed, but before you do that actually take a trip and experience both areas. I have, and lived in one of them for years. You know as much as media tells you, yet have no first hand experience.krazy-blazer

Israelis choose to be there but what about Palestine?they have no choice,they are on their land,you didnt see kids get shot or women?how you can comparison armed soldiers whit people?we are going to far for a video game website!we are out of the board someone post us! do you believe a country shares its secret information on the internet?answer is no!

Milad360

And technology is always the best weapon in a war. It doesn't matter how many rag-tag rock throwers you can muster, there is always a technological advancement to overcome it. The G3 is an outdated rifle.

And you know enough about Palestine? Then you would know their innocents aren't being killed, as they would like you to think. Sure, a few have died because of explosives, but how about the hundreds of innocent Israelis that have been killed by missiles from the north and from bombers from Palestine? Go ahead and preach that Palestine is being oppressed, but before you do that actually take a trip and experience both areas. I have, and lived in one of them for years. You know as much as media tells you, yet have no first hand experience.

Israelis choose to be there but what about Palestine?they have no choice,they are on their land,you didnt see kids get shot or women?how you can comparison armed soldiers whit people?we are going to far for a video game website!we are out of the board someone post us! do you believe a country shares its secret information on the internet?

If the US gets involved in another war, the economy will crumble, and everyone will be out of work.

[QUOTE="Milad360"]

[QUOTE="grenadexjumpr"]

And you know nothing about Israel. Funny isn't it? Iran's people talk about how they don't agree withAhmadinejad, yet do nothing to overthrow him. If an advanced country like Israel were to go to war with Iran, it would be the end for Iran. Technology > all when it comes to warfare. Iran has what as far as military technology? Iran's main assault rifle is the H&K G3, hello 1950's technology.

grenadexjumpr

Um hello, the information about Iran's armed forces is readily available to the public on the internet. And I'm not from the US. I'm from the exact same area as you. You don't do anything to overthrow him. Know how I know? 'Cause he isn't ousted yet. Obama is not "overthrown" because he was actually DEMOCRATICALLY elected. He may not be a great president, but he's not a dictator either.

And technology is always the best weapon in a war. It doesn't matter how many rag-tag rock throwers you can muster, there is always a technological advancement to overcome it. The G3 is an outdated rifle.

And you know enough about Palestine? Then you would know their innocents aren't being killed, as they would like you to think. Sure, a few have died because of explosives, but how about the hundreds of innocent Israelis that have been killed by missiles from the north and from bombers from Palestine? Go ahead and preach that Palestine is being oppressed, but before you do that actually take a trip and experience both areas. I have, and lived in one of them for years. You know as much as media tells you, yet have no first hand experience.

holocaust is true,but if it is true why people in middle east must pay for it?israel doesnt know the path to germany(how to get to germeny!)?!

i spend 5 hours of my life to learning english so sorry if there is mistakes!i think farsi and kurdish are enough for me

No

but being as how the USA is Israel dog on a leash, do i see the US tossing their two cents where it doesn't belong yet again

holocaust is true,but if it is true why people in middle east must pay for it?israel dont know the path to germany?!Milad360

:lol:How did this comment get past users? Israel could turn Iran into smithereens. It doesn't matter about population with Israel. It never has and never will. I've heard it all before. Palestinians say they will destroy Israel. Israel use their superiority to their advantage and the rest of the countries go back into hiding. Rinse and repeat. Has Israel ever lost a war? NO, Israel is here to stay8). Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East so America will never cut ties with her.Espada12

if i missed something mr. knowledge-base of tactics and war forgive me.go and read history true history

[QUOTE="krazy-blazer"][QUOTE="p2250"][QUOTE="rmfd341"][QUOTE="p2250"]Um hello, the information about Iran's armed forces is readily available to the public on the internet. And I'm not from the US. I'm from the exact same area as you. You don't do anything to overthrow him. Know how I know? 'Cause he isn't ousted yet. Obama is not "overthrown" because he was actually DEMOCRATICALLY elected. He may not be a great president, but he's not a dictator either.

And technology is always the best weapon in a war. It doesn't matter how many rag-tag rock throwers you can muster, there is always a technological advancement to overcome it. The G3 is an outdated rifle.

And you know enough about Palestine? Then you would know their innocents aren't being killed, as they would like you to think. Sure, a few have died because of explosives, but how about the hundreds of innocent Israelis that have been killed by missiles from the north and from bombers from Palestine? Go ahead and preach that Palestine is being oppressed, but before you do that actually take a trip and experience both areas. I have, and lived in one of them for years. You know as much as media tells you, yet have no first hand experience.Milad360

Israelis choose to be there but what about Palestine?they have no choice,they are on their land,you didnt see kids get shot or women?how you can comparison armed soldiers whit people?we are going to far for a video game website!we are out of the board someone post us! do you believe a country shares its secret information on the internet?answer is no!

[QUOTE="Espada12"]:lol:How did this comment get past users? Israel could turn Iran into smithereens. It doesn't matter about population with Israel. It never has and never will. I've heard it all before. Palestinians say they will destroy Israel. Israel use their superiority to their advantage and the rest of the countries go back into hiding. Rinse and repeat. Has Israel ever lost a war? NO, Israel is here to stay8). Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East so America will never cut ties with her.chaplainDMK

Like i said the a combined invasion of the 25 countries on this day and time against Israel, Israel stands no chance, the gap between Israeli and arabian equipment technology was not that of 50 years earlier. but then again..US support to Israel is preventing the Arabs from invading.

[QUOTE="Milad360"]

[QUOTE="krazy-blazer"][QUOTE="p2250"][QUOTE="rmfd341"][QUOTE="p2250"]Um hello, the information about Iran's armed forces is readily available to the public on the internet. And I'm not from the US. I'm from the exact same area as you. You don't do anything to overthrow him. Know how I know? 'Cause he isn't ousted yet. Obama is not "overthrown" because he was actually DEMOCRATICALLY elected. He may not be a great president, but he's not a dictator either.

And technology is always the best weapon in a war. It doesn't matter how many rag-tag rock throwers you can muster, there is always a technological advancement to overcome it. The G3 is an outdated rifle.

And you know enough about Palestine? Then you would know their innocents aren't being killed, as they would like you to think. Sure, a few have died because of explosives, but how about the hundreds of innocent Israelis that have been killed by missiles from the north and from bombers from Palestine? Go ahead and preach that Palestine is being oppressed, but before you do that actually take a trip and experience both areas. I have, and lived in one of them for years. You know as much as media tells you, yet have no first hand experience.chaplainDMK

Israelis choose to be there but what about Palestine?they have no choice,they are on their land,you didnt see kids get shot or women?how you can comparison armed soldiers whit people?we are going to far for a video game website!we are out of the board someone post us! do you believe a country shares its secret information on the internet?answer is no!

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[QUOTE="Milad360"] i dont know a lot about israel but i know enough about Palestine!we dont need help of other country. it is better for you to do not talk about technology, first all you have is from usa and second H&K G3 better technology than stone!!!you cant stand against stones that will be enough for you and you know nothing about iran's main assault! who says we do nothing to overthrow him?!how many men have to die? we was 8 years in war with iraq and every country include usa helps them and you know the story of attacking iraq in past years. grenadexjumpr what you know about iran's military technology is about 50 years ago

dk00111

Um hello, the information about Iran's armed forces is readily available to the public on the internet. And I'm not from the US. I'm from the exact same area as you. You don't do anything to overthrow him. Know how I know? 'Cause he isn't ousted yet. Obama is not "overthrown" because he was actually DEMOCRATICALLY elected. He may not be a great president, but he's not a dictator either.

And technology is always the best weapon in a war. It doesn't matter how many rag-tag rock throwers you can muster, there is always a technological advancement to overcome it. The G3 is an outdated rifle.

And you know enough about Palestine? Then you would know their innocents aren't being killed, as they would like you to think. Sure, a few have died because of explosives, but how about the hundreds of innocent Israelis that have been killed by missiles from the north and from bombers from Palestine? Go ahead and preach that Palestine is being oppressed, but before you do that actually take a trip and experience both areas. I have, and lived in one of them for years. You know as much as media tells you, yet have no first hand experience.

People control governments. No matter what kind of government it is. I never said it was easy.

well the thing is we are not like sissy fanatic muslims who fire katyusha at residental areas iran is a big nation full of different ideologies and cultures but most iranians are so hmmmm I'd say sensitive when it comes to their country I personally despise the islamic government and the islamic culture but I wouldn't let israel destroy iran plus it's not like you guys are invincible sure you got some nukes sme merkava tanks and all that high tech stuff but we too don't use spears to defend ourselves

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Israelis choose to be there but what about Palestine?they have no choice,they are on their land,you didnt see kids get shot or women?how you can comparison armed soldiers whit people?we are going to far for a video game website!we are out of the board someone post us! do you believe a country shares its secret information on the internet?answer is no!

krazy-blazer

So evreyone in Israel should pack their bags, get on a boat and go live somewhere else right?

By your logic, evreyone in America should pack up and get back to their homes and give the Native Americans their land back...

But Israel is differant!

Like i said the a combined invasion of the 25 countries on this day and time against Israel, Israel stands no chance, the gap between Israeli and arabian equipment technology was not that of 50 years earlier. but then again..US support to Israel is preventing the Arabs from invading.krazy-blazer

[QUOTE="krazy-blazer"]Like i said the a combined invasion of the 25 countries on this day and time against Israel, Israel stands no chance, the gap between Israeli and arabian equipment technology was not that of 50 years earlier. but then again..US support to Israel is preventing the Arabs from invading.grape_of_wrath

probably not...

Do you honestly think a combined invasion from all 25 Arab countries on this day and time would not be successful?

krazy-blazer

Many of the most powerful Arab countries---most notably Saudi Arabia and Egypt---are presided over by governments that are effectively vassals of the U.S.

Billions of Dollars of U.S. handouts keeps those governments (and their armies) in power and answerable first and foremost to the puppeteers in Washington.

If you doubt the truth of this, read the frank admissions in this recent Newsweek article.

Newsweek: Our Proxy War in the Middle East

[QUOTE="krazy-blazer"]

Do you honestly think a combined invasion from all 25 Arab countries on this day and time would not be successful?

Stesilaus

Many of the most powerful Arab countries---most notably Saudi Arabia and Egypt---are presided over by governments that are effectively vassals of the U.S.

Billions of Dollars of U.S. handouts keeps those governments (and their armies) in power and answerable first and foremost to the puppeteers in Washington.

If you doubt the truth of this, read the frank admissions in this recent Newsweek article.

Newsweek: Our Proxy War in the Middle East

The Six-day war was also a surprise attack by Israel that destroyed the entire Egyptian air force where they thought the arabs were going to invade.

The six day war took place after several weeks where all surrounding arab forces were at the full state of alert and IL was at full state of reserve recruitment.The thing was,compeletly orchestrated by Nasser which made appearances all over the arab media declaring and upcoming revenge for the "Nakbe".He went on to block the tirani straits ,which was a major naval trade route from Israeli commodoties. The six day war may have been staerted by Israel but at the will of the arab party.Everyone werefully ready-Israel can't have it's whole reserve layout mobilized and continue to function as a state-so after several weeks called the "waiting period"-israel initiated an assault.


Incorrect, the base of the Arab air force was Mig-21 compared to the superior F-4 phantom, and the Israeli tank force were Sherman tanks and M60 Patton but upgraded, while the arabian tank force were primarily T-34, but with some advance tanks, you are right the only advantage the Arabs had were the Anti-air but the poor locations rendered them ineffective. basically the damage done to the Egyptian air force during the six-day war was enough to give the Israelis an advantage

Really? the main adavntage the arab foces had was thermal night visioning,period. You're not familiar with tank combat-and I am. so i'll explain briefly. The main battle tanks of the arab forces during the 70's was the T-55(with added T-62s),T 34s are(and were)mainly used as stationary turrets at "soviet"fortifications(called often 'roundabouts' or 'pitas').

Sherman tanks were not used in the IDF regular forces and the main tanks Israel held were Centurions and patton(M series) tanks.As with all foreign tanks-the IL military complex upgrades them to fit IDF needs.The problem was-they held almost no ability to fight at night time.

The things which brought down the attacking arab forces (repeatedly through history)was wrong choice of comabt teachings. They can't handle executing the soviet doctrine-they don't have the manpower,number of armoured tools or russian distances and winter. there's more to be said about this issue-but It's excruciatingly complicated-and I don't want to get into that.


You are forgetting the fact that many Arabian nations at that time didn't even have a standing army, and Jordan has significantly modernized its military.

Jordan already held the most professional and well equipped army during the 50's to the 80's.
what arab armies did not have standing militaries?
Anyway-the Jordanian and egyptian militaries are linked to Israel through cooperation (I can attest to that),and in any case-They are at peace with the state of Israel(which gave them the option to bring their militaries to their current from from the get go-by enabling europe and the US). they don't constitute a threat.

the only main threat Israel has left is syria-and it's using the same equipment it used in 1973 and a soviet(IE "passive")doctrine.

Two additions:

a)The fact that France (and the UK after the suez crisis) were willing to sell IL weaponry is not "assisting". Not like the US is assisting egypt and IL.If you take that into account IL is currently assisting turkey and India ,for example.It's a commerce of military knowedge.

b)The suez crisis was orchestrated BY france and Britain after Nasser nationalized the Suez canal.Israel assisted with ground troops because It held promise of retribution from the UK and france,as well as it stopped the economic blockade of the suez(which bothered Israel).

c)Please form your responses better.it took meto much timeto respond.

. krazy-blazer

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If only chemical and bio weapons weren't banned by the Geneva convention, America could just gas all of Iran and then everyone in Israel can move there and give the Palestinians their land back. Every body wins, well except Iran but no one really likes them anyway

Milad360

Huuurr HURRRR DERPA DERP SHERPA SHAMA LAMA

Have a nice big cup of sarcasm with a side of facepalm.

[QUOTE="krazy-blazer"]

The Six-day war was also a surprise attack by Israel that destroyed the entire Egyptian air force where they thought the arabs were going to invade.

The six day war took place after several weeks where all surrounding arab forces were at the full state of alert and IL was at full state of reserve recruitment.The thing was,compeletly orchestrated by Nasser which made appearances all over the arab media declaring and upcoming revenge for the "Nakbe".He went on to block the tirani straits ,which was a major naval trade route from Israeli commodoties. The six day war may have been staerted by Israel but at the will of the arab party.Everyone werefully ready-Israel can't have it's whole reserve layout mobilized and continue to function as a state-so after several weeks called the "waiting period"-israel initiated an assault.

I was talking about the pre-emptive strike by Israeli airforce which destroyed the egyptian airforce.


Incorrect, the base of the Arab air force was Mig-21 compared to the superior F-4 phantom, and the Israeli tank force were Sherman tanks and M60 Patton but upgraded, while the arabian tank force were primarily T-34, but with some advance tanks, you are right the only advantage the Arabs had were the Anti-air but the poor locations rendered them ineffective. basically the damage done to the Egyptian air force during the six-day war was enough to give the Israelis an advantage

Really? the main adavntage the arab foces had was thermal night visioning,period. You're not familiar with tank combat-and I am. so i'll explain briefly. The main battle tanks of the arab forces during the 70's was the T-55(with added T-62s),T 34s are(and were)mainly used as stationary turrets at "soviet"fortifications(called often 'roundabouts' or 'pitas').

Sherman tanks were not used in the IDF regular forces and the main tanks Israel held were Centurions and patton(M series) tanks.As with all foreign tanks-the IL military complex upgrades them to fit IDF needs.The problem was-they held almost no ability to fight at night time.

The things which brought down the attacking arab forces (repeatedly through history)was wrong choice of comabt teachings. They can't handle executing the soviet doctrine-they don't have the manpower,number of armoured tools or russian distances and winter. there's more to be said about this issue-but It's excruciatingly complicated-and I don't want to get into that.

I realize that the night vision is the main advantage, but the patton was superior in terms of armanant and armour and this was proven by the amount of casualities.

And the Israeli military outnumbered the Arabs in terms of numbers.(not the tanks)

The British 105 mm L7 gun was superior to Royal Orandance L7

You are forgetting the fact that many Arabian nations at that time didn't even have a standing army, and Jordan has significantly modernized its military.

Jordan already held the most professional and well equipped army during the 50's to the 80's.
what arab armies did not have standing militaries?
Anyway-the Jordanian and egyptian militaries are linked to Israel through cooperation (I can attest to that),and in any case-They are at peace with the state of Israel(which gave them the option to bring their militaries to their current from from the get go-by enabling europe and the US). they don't constitute a threat.

the only main threat Israel has left is syria-and it's using the same equipment it used in 1973 and a soviet(IE "passive")doctrine.

I should have phrased that better, what i meant that they didn't have an actual modern army at that time, many arabian army had a few WW2 planes and old tanks with a voulanteer soldiers, for example the yemani army at that time was still using horses and rifles.. and also many arabian countries gained their independence around that decade.

Two additions:

a)The fact that France (and the UK after the suez crisis) were willing to sell IL weaponry is not "assisting". Not like the US is assisting egypt and IL.If you take that into account IL is currently assisting turkey and India ,for example.It's a commerce of military knowedge.

Operation Nickel Grass

b)The suez crisis was orchestrated BY france and Britain after Nasser nationalized the Suez canal.Israel assisted with ground troops because It held promise of retribution from the UK and france,as well as it stopped the economic blockade of the suez(which bothered Israel).

I didn't know that

c)Please form your responses better.it took meto much timeto respond.

I don't exaclty have time that's why i am replaying hastly

. grape_of_wrath

I was talking about the pre-emptive strike by Israeli airforce which destroyed the egyptian airforce.


Okay.Like i said-bound to happen.The problem with the Egyptian air-force was that it let itself reach the position of being destroyed by the air.It was almost criminal negligence....

I realize that the night vision is the main advantage, but the patton was superior in terms of armanant and armour and this was proven by the amount of casualities.

Again-what brought onthe casualties is the use of the soviet "swarm" tactics by the Syrians and egyptians(see also the Russian casualty ratio in WW2). The IL armour corp. always had better training better ammunition and,above all- a better doctrine.The fact that it managed to wreak havoc during day time and repel during night time just shows that...

And the Israeli military outnumbered the Arabs in terms of numbers.(not the tanks)

with the reserve mobilized,maybe....The point is-not a shred of reservist forceswere mobilized at the day of the invasion.

Operation Nickel Grass

Was a manifestation of the cold war.It was retaliatory to the soviet massive arming of the Arab side during the October war-In fact when the IDF was undisruptingly moving towards thearab capitals the USSR released an announcement that it will join the fighting if IL does not cease fire. Some claim the October war to be a soviet Idea from the get go-and that they ,aggressively,pushed for it.

krazy-blazer

Israel is worst than Iran. We should never support them.EMOEVOLUTION

[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"]Israel is worst than Iran. We should never support them.Welkabonz

[QUOTE="krazy-blazer"]

I was talking about the pre-emptive strike by Israeli airforce which destroyed the egyptian airforce.


Okay.Like i said-bound to happen.The problem with the Egyptian air-force was that it let itself reach the position of being destroyed by the air.It was almost criminal negligence....

I realize that the night vision is the main advantage, but the patton was superior in terms of armanant and armour and this was proven by the amount of casualities.

Again-what brought onthe casualties is the use of the soviet "swarm" tactics by the Syrians and egyptians(see also the Russian casualty ratio in WW2). The IL armour corp. always had better training better ammunition and,above all- a better doctrine.The fact that it managed to wreak havoc during day time and repel during night time just shows that...

And the Israeli military outnumbered the Arabs in terms of numbers.(not the tanks)

with the reserve mobilized,maybe....The point is-not a shred of reservist forceswere mobilized at the day of the invasion.

Operation Nickel Grass

Was a manifestation of the cold war.It was retaliatory to the soviet massive arming of the Arab side during the October war-In fact when the IDF was undisruptingly moving towards thearab capitals the USSR released an announcement that it will join the fighting if IL does not cease fire. Some claim the October war to be a soviet Idea from the get go-and that they ,aggressively,pushed for it.

grape_of_wrath