poll should marijuana be legalized in the US?

[QUOTE="links136"]

1. Its not harmful. Theres not one death directly related. If you want to count any DUI's as a reason, you might as well make driving illegal as a whole, seeing as speeding is illegal and it kills people.

Stevo_the_gamer

And let's not forget the guy who cooked his wife due to marijuana-induced psychosis.

[QUOTE="Sajedene"][QUOTE="LikeHaterade"] I don't know about that. Drugs such as heroin would in all probability have a really big negative effect on society. In every case I would disagree with this. But in terms of drugs, the government should decide what's best for the people. It's obvious heroin wouldn't have any positive effects on anybody other than satisfying the addiction. The effects are far more potent than both alcohol or marijuana. Plus, known to make others hallucinate violent images.LikeHaterade

[QUOTE="Sajedene"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

That would be pure hell.

Theokhoth

Legalizing all drugs would be a catastrophe. Have you ever seen the effects of crystal meth on a person? Heroin addicts? No, the government wouldn't be able to weed them out as easy as you appear to believe.

Marijuana is prescribed where available for anxiety, depression, OCD, Tourettes, ADD, ADHD etc so clearly your incorrect on that point.

Big_player

Just because pot is prescribed for those symptoms doesn't mean that abusing pot can't cause it. It's the same for any other medicine: you HAVE to take a specific amount and no more. Unrestrained use of pot would lead to those problems just as unrestrained use of acetaminophen would lead to headaches.

As a regular smoker I can tell you I have no deficit in either math or verbal expression and I maintain a consistant 90+% in school. Memory impairment only occurs while THC is still active in your system, Marijuana is prescribed where available for anxiety, depression, OCD, Tourettes, ADD, ADHD etc so clearly your incorrect on that point. and I'd love to see a relieable study that says it interrupts chemical neurotransmitters.

Big_player

Afterall, all that matter is being free man, be cool---be cool.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Sajedene"] That is nothing but assumption. If the argument here is that the government legalize weed and control its distribution -- then the same argument can be said for any drug out there. Legalize it and control its distribution... people who do the drugs who have and never were any harm to society or themselves can do so without prosecution and those who ARE a harm to themselves and to society can either be "weeded" out by any screening process the government does or to control how much of the drug they are able to purchase at a time (no more OD)Sajedene

Legalizing all drugs would be a catastrophe. Have you ever seen the effects of crystal meth on a person? Heroin addicts? No, the government wouldn't be able to weed them out as easy as you appear to believe.

Well then, I hope to God pot is never legalized.

[QUOTE="links136"]

1. Its not harmful. Theres not one death directly related. If you want to count any DUI's as a reason, you might as well make driving illegal as a whole, seeing as speeding is illegal and it kills people.

Stevo_the_gamer

Thers alot of things that harm health, video games, fast food, even sports are directly more harmful. They should all obviously be illegal simply because they harm people. And they've all caused alot more direct deaths than marijuana ever will.

[QUOTE="Sajedene"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Legalizing all drugs would be a catastrophe. Have you ever seen the effects of crystal meth on a person? Heroin addicts? No, the government wouldn't be able to weed them out as easy as you appear to believe.

Theokhoth

Well then, I hope to God pot is never legalized.

[QUOTE="Big_player"]

Marijuana is prescribed where available for anxiety, depression, OCD, Tourettes, ADD, ADHD etc so clearly your incorrect on that point.

Theokhoth

Just because pot is prescribed for those symptoms doesn't mean that abusing pot can't cause it. It's the same for any other medicine: you HAVE to take a specific amount and no more. Unrestrained use of pot would lead to those problems just as unrestrained use of acetaminophen would lead to headaches.

so because some people abuse it, it should be illegal?

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Big_player"]

Marijuana is prescribed where available for anxiety, depression, OCD, Tourettes, ADD, ADHD etc so clearly your incorrect on that point.

links136

Just because pot is prescribed for those symptoms doesn't mean that abusing pot can't cause it. It's the same for any other medicine: you HAVE to take a specific amount and no more. Unrestrained use of pot would lead to those problems just as unrestrained use of acetaminophen would lead to headaches.

so because some people abuse it, it should be illegal?

Non sequitur.

Thers alot of things that harm health, video games, fast food, even sports are directly more harmful. They should all obviously be illegal simply because they harm people. And they've all caused alot more direct deaths than marijuana ever will.links136

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Big_player"]

Marijuana is prescribed where available for anxiety, depression, OCD, Tourettes, ADD, ADHD etc so clearly your incorrect on that point.

links136

Just because pot is prescribed for those symptoms doesn't mean that abusing pot can't cause it. It's the same for any other medicine: you HAVE to take a specific amount and no more. Unrestrained use of pot would lead to those problems just as unrestrained use of acetaminophen would lead to headaches.

so because some people abuse it, it should be illegal?

It's amazing how many Yes's there are when everyone knows what it can do to your body.cyberdarkkid

I doubt everyone knows. Drug education in this country is pathetic, consisting of a few short video clips being played in the cIassroom once or twice a year.

[QUOTE="Big_player"]

Marijuana is prescribed where available for anxiety, depression, OCD, Tourettes, ADD, ADHD etc so clearly your incorrect on that point.

Theokhoth

Just because pot is prescribed for those symptoms doesn't mean that abusing pot can't cause it. It's the same for any other medicine: you HAVE to take a specific amount and no more. Unrestrained use of pot would lead to those problems just as unrestrained use of acetaminophen would lead to headaches.

It's nice to see you representing each and every smoker out there, seriously, it's probably even flattering to a few -- but in reality, you don't. Afterall, I can tell you I make 203 million USD a year, and what would you think after I said that? I'll take what you say with a grain of salt and listen to the guys who actually know what they're talking about.Stevo_the_gamer

No. It just leads people into harder drugs. I watched some of my 'friends' start of with with weed and move into harder junk. They said they wouldent try anything else, but time tells different.

Drugs are for losers or patients that need them.

tim22000

i have friends on that same trail, i am tyring to intervene

[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"][QUOTE="Sajedene"] And yet someone who uses heroin will argue with you to hell about how they can handle it. The same with weed. The same for ANY drug. They have their positives and negatives and certain individuals will find them acceptable or objectionable. So who are you all to say that one drug is to be allowed because YOU are using it (maybe not you but talking to GS users who voted yes) and say NO to another drug because "it is bad".Sajedene

No, I would argue that the effects felt by meth or heroin are far more potent making them more dangerous, not to mention more addictive. Sure everyone's physiology is different, but the effects felt in the majority of users shows it. You cannot have federal legalizations of drugs just because a select few are effected differently than most. For the greater good of society, you make decisions on drugs based on how most are effected by them, because the more people, the bigger effect it has on society. Which is why one can argue legalizing pot and not heroin.

You do have a point, but at the same time the fact that it can should hold no negative bearing against it. in the same way that abusing caffeine, alcohol or nicotine can have side effects so can marijuana. Almost everything that is legal can have a downside to it, so why single out marijuana's? Big_player

Because, arguably, the downsides of marijuana are so avoidable that making these downsides more commonplace would be backward. The main use of pot is for relaxation, and that can be gained through multitudes of non-harmful means.

Pot should be available as a prescribed medicine, but only prescribed, like Xanax.

[QUOTE="Sajedene"][QUOTE="LikeHaterade"] So you're saying that all drugs are pretty much the same and no drug is worse than others?LikeHaterade

No, I would argue that the effects felt by meth or heroin are far more potent making them more dangerous, not to mention more addictive. Sure everyone's physiology is different, but the effects felt in the majority of users shows it. You cannot have federal legalizations of drugs just because a select few are effected differently than most. For the greater good of society, you make decisions on drugs based on how most are effected by them, because the more people, the bigger effect it has on society. Which is why one can argue legalizing pot and not heroin.

[QUOTE="links136"]Thers alot of things that harm health, video games, fast food, even sports are directly more harmful. They should all obviously be illegal simply because they harm people. And they've all caused alot more direct deaths than marijuana ever will.Stevo_the_gamer

Well if you want to go off of if something is potentially harful, then EVERYTHING should be illegal. No exceptions. Too much of anything is harmful, no matter what you say. Alcohol, exercise, vehicles, water etc. Where do you draw the line to make something illegal? directly causing deaths. Theres so many facters leading to indirect deaths that it doesn't justify making something illegal because of it,and theres been many more cases of indirect deaths from other normal things than pot.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Big_player"]

Just because pot is prescribed for those symptoms doesn't mean that abusing pot can't cause it. It's the same for any other medicine: you HAVE to take a specific amount and no more. Unrestrained use of pot would lead to those problems just as unrestrained use of acetaminophen would lead to headaches.

Big_player

It's nice to see you representing each and every smoker out there, seriously, it's probably even flattering to a few -- but in reality, you don't. Afterall, I can tell you I make 203 million USD a year, and what would you think after I said that? I'll take what you say with a grain of salt and listen to the guys who actually know what they're talking about.Stevo_the_gamer

And chances are he went on to harder stuff, being that they are treated virtually the same.

I personally would have no problem with pot being legalized as long as tobacco cigarettes were banned. So many deaths for such a senseless habit being replaced by a drug that, while causing problems of its own, has never been linked to a direct death would be fine by me.Theokhoth

Plus, people under the influence don't hurt anyone elseLord__Darkstorn

http://www.mlive.com/news/citpat/index.ssf?/base/news-27/1229094330107300.xml&coll=3

FOR THE LAST TIME The only reason marijuana is ILlegal is because our government couldn't find a way to tax it END OF STORY417alum

True, but they know now so whats the ******* hold up?

[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]

[QUOTE="Sajedene"] One can easily argue that. Does it not depend on who is using it and how they react to the drug and who is looking at that person and how they react to the usage? You all here could be well upstanding citizens who use marijuana on occasion or all the time and still function well within society but there are others out there who's lives are gravely affected by it. You're all arguing that "harder" drugs like coke, heroin, and meth should not be legalized because there are some users out there who can not handle their drug. Well then -- the same argument can go for marijuana. Sajedene

No, I would argue that the effects felt by meth or heroin are far more potent making them more dangerous, not to mention more addictive. Sure everyone's physiology is different, but the effects felt in the majority of users shows it. You cannot have federal legalizations of drugs just because a select few are effected differently than most. For the greater good of society, you make decisions on drugs based on how most are effected by them, because the more people, the bigger effect it has on society. Which is why one can argue legalizing pot and not heroin.

I know I don't represent every user, I'm just proving the point that marijuana doesn't cause widespread intellectual impairment in users. In my personal experience out of the dozens of regular smokers I know I've only ever seen a degradation of marks and lifestyle in 1. Everyone else maintained the marks and lifestyle they had before they smoked whether those be good or bad. Big_player

Well if you want to go off of if something is potentially harful, then EVERYTHING should be illegal. No exceptions. Too much of anything is harmful, no matter what you say. Alcohol, exercise, vehicles, water etc. Where do you draw the line to make something illegal? directly causing deaths. Theres so many facters leading to indirect deaths that it doesn't justify making something illegal because of it,and theres been many more cases of indirect deaths from other normal things than pot.links136

[QUOTE="Big_player"]

You do have a point, but at the same time the fact that it can should hold no negative bearing against it. in the same way that abusing caffeine, alcohol or nicotine can have side effects so can marijuana. Almost everything that is legal can have a downside to it, so why single out marijuana's? Theokhoth

Because, arguably, the downsides of marijuana are so avoidable that making these downsides more commonplace would be backward. The main use of pot is for relaxation, and that can be gained through multitudes of non-harmful means.

Pot should be available as a prescribed medicine, but only prescribed, like Xanax.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]I personally would have no problem with pot being legalized as long as tobacco cigarettes were banned. So many deaths for such a senseless habit being replaced by a drug that, while causing problems of its own, has never been linked to a direct death would be fine by me.LikeHaterade

Yes, and I understand that, but that is not a direct death. A direct death would be dying from the drug itself. Such a death has, so far, never been reported by the government.

[QUOTE="Lord__Darkstorn"] Plus, people under the influence don't hurt anyone elseTheokhoth

http://www.mlive.com/news/citpat/index.ssf?/base/news-27/1229094330107300.xml&coll=3

People do terrible things whether or not they are under the influence of marijuana. War? Assassination? It's just a part of human nature. If anything, pot PREVENTS these things from happening, since it's a downer.

Alcohol and cell phones have caused a hell of lot more accidents than weed has. GoldenCashew

Word.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="Lord__Darkstorn"] Plus, people under the influence don't hurt anyone elseLord__Darkstorn

http://www.mlive.com/news/citpat/index.ssf?/base/news-27/1229094330107300.xml&coll=3

People do terrible things whether or not they are under the influence of marijuana.

Yes, but you stated the exact opposite: that pot users under the influence never hurt anybody.

[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]I personally would have no problem with pot being legalized as long as tobacco cigarettes were banned. So many deaths for such a senseless habit being replaced by a drug that, while causing problems of its own, has never been linked to a direct death would be fine by me.Theokhoth

Yes, and I understand that, but that is not a direct death. A direct death would be dying from the drug itself. Such a death has, so far, never been reported by the government.

Alcohol and cell phones have caused a hell of lot more accidents than weed has. GoldenCashew

Alcohol and cell phones have caused a hell of lot more accidents than weed has. GoldenCashew

[QUOTE="GoldenCashew"]Alcohol and cell phones have caused a hell of lot more accidents than weed has. Lord__Darkstorn

Word.

Well, of COURSE they would.

Alcohol and cell phones are legal and therefore, easier to come by. Since marijuana is illegal, fewer of your average Americans are under its influence while driving. As a result, the number of accidents caused by it will be much lower than accidents caused by alcohol and cell phones.

[QUOTE="Big_player"] I know I don't represent every user, I'm just proving the point that marijuana doesn't cause widespread intellectual impairment in users. In my personal experience out of the dozens of regular smokers I know I've only ever seen a degradation of marks and lifestyle in 1. Everyone else maintained the marks and lifestyle they had before they smoked whether those be good or bad. Stevo_the_gamer

Well if you want to go off of if something is potentially harful, then EVERYTHING should be illegal. No exceptions. Too much of anything is harmful, no matter what you say. Alcohol, exercise, vehicles, water etc. Where do you draw the line to make something illegal? directly causing deaths. Theres so many facters leading to indirect deaths that it doesn't justify making something illegal because of it,and theres been many more cases of indirect deaths from other normal things than pot.links136

You haven't stated any reason why pot should be illegal and tv shouldn't.

[QUOTE="Big_player"] I know I don't represent every user, I'm just proving the point that marijuana doesn't cause widespread intellectual impairment in users. In my personal experience out of the dozens of regular smokers I know I've only ever seen a degradation of marks and lifestyle in 1. Everyone else maintained the marks and lifestyle they had before they smoked whether those be good or bad. Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="Lord__Darkstorn"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

http://www.mlive.com/news/citpat/index.ssf?/base/news-27/1229094330107300.xml&coll=3

Theokhoth

People do terrible things whether or not they are under the influence of marijuana.

Yes, but you stated the exact opposite: that pot users under the influence never hurt anybody.

I realize that my evidence in anecdotal, but you've yet to show any evidence of intellectual impairment at all. In fact I have some showing that marijuana does not effect educational performance or lifestyle.Big_player

You haven't stated any reason why pot should be illegal and tv shouldn't.links136

[QUOTE="Sajedene"][QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]

No, I would argue that the effects felt by meth or heroin are far more potent making them more dangerous, not to mention more addictive. Sure everyone's physiology is different, but the effects felt in the majority of users shows it. You cannot have federal legalizations of drugs just because a select few are effected differently than most. For the greater good of society, you make decisions on drugs based on how most are effected by them, because the more people, the bigger effect it has on society. Which is why one can argue legalizing pot and not heroin.

LikeHaterade

No. It just leads people into harder drugs. I watched some of my 'friends' start of with with weed and move into harder junk. They said they wouldent try anything else, but time tells different.

Drugs are for losers or patients that need them.

tim22000