poll should marijuana be legalized in the US?

[QUOTE="Big_player"] I realize that my evidence in anecdotal, but you've yet to show any evidence of intellectual impairment at all. In fact I have some showing that marijuana does not effect educational performance or lifestyle.Stevo_the_gamer

You haven't stated any reason why pot should be illegal and tv shouldn't.links136

tv rots your brain. I'm waiting.

[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"][QUOTE="Sajedene"] AND THAT IS WHY Marijuana is ILLEGAL.Sajedene

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

[QUOTE="Big_player"]*yawn*

[QUOTE="links136"]You haven't stated any reason why pot should be illegal and tv shouldn't.links136

I'm waiting.

*yawn* LinkStevo_the_gamer

First a document from the white house is an absolute joke, not only is it clearly biased but everything about psychological damage and negative impacts refers to all illicit drugs. SO it's saying that if you use marijuana OR any illicit drug this is the outcome.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

[QUOTE="Big_player"]*yawn* Link

[QUOTE="links136"]You haven't stated any reason why pot should be illegal and tv shouldn't.links136

I'm waiting.

...are you really trying to say TV and marijuana are equally dangerous? Really?

TV doesn't cause the phychoactive effects marijuana does (television doesn't alter cognition or perception of things like color or sounds. The worst it'll do is change your outlook on a particular subject), nor could it cause lung cancer, heart attacks, etc, or any of the other health effects associated with smoking.

Happy?

First a document from the white house is an absolute joke, not only is it clearly biased but everything about psychological damage and negative impacts refers to all illicit drugs. SO it's saying that if you use marijuana OR any illicit drug this is the outcome.Big_player

[QUOTE="Big_player"] First a document from the white house is an absolute joke, not only is it clearly biased but everything about psychological damage and negative impacts refers to all illicit drugs. SO it's saying that if you use marijuana OR any illicit drug this is the outcome.Stevo_the_gamer

While we're at it, the government did 9/11. I don't need actual proof, you should know it's true by now.

[QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]And it still continues. What's the next tangent we should go on? How CDs and DVDs can be used as weapons of Mass destruction?I mean seriously bro,marijuana is harmful -- just give it a rest.

Sajedene

I'm waiting.

I don't really give a rats ass about any other drug. Personally, I can go either way with any other drug except for meth. That **** is just rediculous.

btw, The only way weed is harmful is by abusing it

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_myth9.shtml

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="Big_player"] First a document from the white house is an absolute joke, not only is it clearly biased but everything about psychological damage and negative impacts refers to all illicit drugs. SO it's saying that if you use marijuana OR any illicit drug this is the outcome.RadBooley

While we're at it, the government did 9/11. I don't need actual proof, you should know it's true by now.

[QUOTE="Big_player"] First a document from the white house is an absolute joke, not only is it clearly biased but everything about psychological damage and negative impacts refers to all illicit drugs. SO it's saying that if you use marijuana OR any illicit drug this is the outcome.Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="Big_player"] First a document from the white house is an absolute joke, not only is it clearly biased but everything about psychological damage and negative impacts refers to all illicit drugs. SO it's saying that if you use marijuana OR any illicit drug this is the outcome.Stevo_the_gamer

They had numbers for references, but there weren't any actual references. Its just blank at the bottom as far as I could see

[QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]And it still continues. What's the next tangent we should go on? How CDs and DVDs can be used as weapons of Mass destruction?I mean seriously bro,marijuana is harmful -- just give it a rest.

RadBooley

I'm waiting.

...are you really trying to say TV and marijuana are equally dangerous? Really?

TV doesn't cause the phychoactive effects marijuana does (television doesn't alter cognition or perception of things like color or sounds. The worst it'll do is change your outlook on a particular subject), nor could it cause lung cancer, heart attacks, etc, or any of the other health effects associated with smoking.

Happy?

again, do your research. HAD you done your research you'd know that the gov't is incredibly biased and as i said before won't publish anything that goes against its anti drug policies. in many many trials marijuana has shown a possibility to protect against cancer, not promote it. as for heart attacks you have a better chance of getting a heart attack from running or jogging a quarter mile as that will raise your blood pressure and heart rate far more than marijuana will. the only detriment i can think of from long term habitual usage is empheseyma (which develops in people who never even smoke)

PLEASE people, do your research with unbiased sources.

[QUOTE="RadBooley"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Everything in there is referenced, believe what you may; I'll continue to follow the leading researchers at universities over some forum-smoker. But hey, you're more than well entitled to your views; however radical they may be.GoldenCashew

While we're at it, the government did 9/11. I don't need actual proof, you should know it's true by now.

I keep hearing this. Why can't it be taxed? Just wondering, I honestly don't know the basis behind this.

And I don't remember hearing that "we can ingest whatever we want" clause in the Constitution. If that were true, why don't we open the floodgates and make all drugs illegal? Forget the fact that they ruin lives, destroy health and pose dangers to others, people have a god-given right to take them if they so choose.

They had numbers for references, but there weren't any actual references. Its just blank at the bottom as far as I could see

links136

Well if you want some leading research I will present you with what is known as granny crows list A comprehensive list of studies about marijuana, including everything from medical effect to driving ability while under the influence to development of the brain and the effects of prohibition on societyBig_player

I keep hearing this. Why can't it be taxed? Just wondering, I honestly don't know the basis behind this.

And I don't remember hearing that "we can ingest whatever we want" clause in the Constitution. If that were true, why don't we open the floodgates and make all drugs illegal? Forget the fact that they ruin lives, destroy health and pose dangers to others, people have a god-given right to take them if they so choose.

RadBooley

[QUOTE="links136"]

They had numbers for references, but there weren't any actual references. Its just blank at the bottom as far as I could see

Stevo_the_gamer

Well if you want some leading research I will present you with what is known as granny crows list A comprehensive list of studies about marijuana, including everything from medical effect to driving ability while under the influence to development of the brain and the effects of prohibition on societyBig_player

It also has in the main page that mairjuana is as harmful as tobacco, which really destroys all credibility.

Yes it should be legal, or at least decriminalized(which it will be within a few years, even Ron Paul endorses a new act coming to decriminalize up to 3 grams). The lies the drug people tell you are false.

It does not lead to harder drugs or make you lazy. Only the ignorant say that because that is what they have been told their whole life.

70% of adults have tried it. Most of the population would like to have it legalized.

It is totally harmless and does not kill braincells. Does not give you lung cancer. On and on and on.

There is so much to tell. It should be. It is a plant for gods sake. Tobacco is way worse.

It also has in the main page that mairjuana is as harmful as tobacco, which really destroys all credibility.links136

again, do your research. HAD you done your research you'd know that the gov't is incredibly biased and as i said before won't publish anything that goes against its anti drug policies. in many many trials marijuana has shown a possibility to protect against cancer, not promote it. as for heart attacks you have a better chance of getting a heart attack from running or jogging a quarter mile as that will raise your blood pressure and heart rate far more than marijuana will. the only detriment i can think of from long term habitual usage is empheseyma (which develops in people who never even smoke)

PLEASE people, do your research with unbiased sources.

z4twenny

With regards to cancer, yes, CBD (a non-psychoactive chemical in marijuana) has been linked to reduced risks of breast cancer. But many other studies have found smoking marijuana to increase the risk of lung cancer much more than tobacco smoke.

And besides, if CBD can provide some protection against breast cancer, why not just extract that chemical and use it as a treatment? I can assure you that nobody goes around smoking marijuana with the intent to protect themselves against cancer.

[QUOTE="RadBooley"]

I keep hearing this. Why can't it be taxed? Just wondering, I honestly don't know the basis behind this.

And I don't remember hearing that "we can ingest whatever we want" clause in the Constitution. If that were true, why don't we open the floodgates and make all drugs illegal? Forget the fact that they ruin lives, destroy health and pose dangers to others, people have a god-given right to take them if they so choose.

Big_player

Ingest anything, you say? What if the consumption of something poses a threat to the safety of others?

[QUOTE="links136"]It also has in the main page that mairjuana is as harmful as tobacco, which really destroys all credibility.Stevo_the_gamer

Biased study is biased. Anyone who knows anything about marijuana and tobacco knows that tobacco is much, much worse for your health. I mean seriously. Of course if you smoke 3 to 4 joints by yourself a day you'll degrade your health, thats called abusing drugs. And honestly, I don't know anyone who smokes nearly that much. Most people I know will smoke at most a few times a week, shared. Hell, I can't smoke one by myself. How then can anything else there be taken with credibility?

Of course if you smoke 3 to 4 joints by yourself a day you'll degrade your health

links136

Its not harmful.links136

Hmm. So which is it? :D

Of course if you smoke 3 to 4 joints by yourself a day you'll degrade your health

links136

[QUOTE="links136"]

Of course if you smoke 3 to 4 joints by yourself a day you'll degrade your health

Stevo_the_gamer

Its not harmful.links136

Hmm. So which is it? :D

for non abusers its not harmful. For abusers, anything is harmful. No excepts.

So not harmful.

[QUOTE="links136"]

Of course if you smoke 3 to 4 joints by yourself a day you'll degrade your health

RadBooley

Smoking ANYTHING will degrade your health. Period.

You can eat it, but of coarse thats very costly beacuse its illegal.

for non abusers its not harmful. For abusers, anything is harmful. No excepts.So not harmful.links136

Well! I give up.

[QUOTE="links136"]for non abusers its not harmful. For abusers, anything is harmful. No excepts.So not harmful.Stevo_the_gamer

Well! I give up.

suit yourself and your biased studies.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

[QUOTE="links136"]for non abusers its not harmful. For abusers, anything is harmful. No excepts.So not harmful.links136

Well! I give up.

suit yourself and your biased studies.

Debating this with you is like arguing with a wall, I swear. :|

Debating this with you is like arguing with a wall, I swear. :|

RadBooley

[QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

Well! I give up.

RadBooley

suit yourself and your biased studies.

Debating this with you is like arguing with a wall, I swear. :|

There still hasn't been a legit point that suggests making marijuana legal will make things worse off than keeping it illegal.

[QUOTE="RadBooley"]

Debating this with you is like arguing with a wall, I swear. :|

Stevo_the_gamer

It's true. Belief closes one's mind to any alternatives to a given situation.

[QUOTE="RadBooley"][QUOTE="links136"]

suit yourself and your biased studies.

links136

Debating this with you is like arguing with a wall, I swear. :|

There still hasn't been a legit point that I choose to accept that suggests making marijuana legal will make things worse off than keeping it illegal.

Fixed.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="RadBooley"]

Debating this with you is like arguing with a wall, I swear. :|

Lord__Darkstorn

It's true. Belief closes one's mind to any alternatives to a given situation.

I look at the alternatives, and give a counterpoint. They then give up. I mean is marijuana really harmful to the general public?

[QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="RadBooley"]

Debating this with you is like arguing with a wall, I swear. :|

RadBooley

There still hasn't been a legit point that I choose to accept that suggests making marijuana legal will make things worse off than keeping it illegal.

Fixed.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="RadBooley"]

Debating this with you is like arguing with a wall, I swear. :|

Lord__Darkstorn

It's true. Belief closes one's mind to any alternatives to a given situation.

Because I should listen to a study that compares abusing marijuana to very casually smoking ciggerretes equally. Right?

[QUOTE="z4twenny"]

again, do your research. HAD you done your research you'd know that the gov't is incredibly biased and as i said before won't publish anything that goes against its anti drug policies. in many many trials marijuana has shown a possibility to protect against cancer, not promote it. as for heart attacks you have a better chance of getting a heart attack from running or jogging a quarter mile as that will raise your blood pressure and heart rate far more than marijuana will. the only detriment i can think of from long term habitual usage is empheseyma (which develops in people who never even smoke)

PLEASE people, do your research with unbiased sources.

RadBooley

With regards to cancer, yes, CBD (a non-psychoactive chemical in marijuana) has been linked to reduced risks of breast cancer. But many other studies have found smoking marijuana to increase the risk of lung cancer much more than tobacco smoke.

And besides, if CBD can provide some protection against breast cancer, why not just extract that chemical and use it as a treatment? I can assure you that nobody goes around smoking marijuana with the intent to protect themselves against cancer.

so by your statement you wouldn't have a problem if someone ate pot? by that rationale whats the issue behind smoking it? do some REALLY deep research to find out how cancer starts in the human body (free radicals altering dna within the cell) and how cannabinoids directly affect it (not just cbd's) and how marijuana elicits an incredibly minimal amount of free radicals through its travel in the human body (especially in comparison to tobacco or really any other thing) im guessing you'd like to make tobacco illegal as well, well while we're at it lets go ahead and take away alcohol and fast food. in fact, lets make everything except for work, exercise and lean food illegal because tv, alcohol, video games, movies and any other form of enjoyment has the potential to negatively impact a persons life. lets go ahead and remove everyones freedom of choice because obviously someone else knows whats better for me than myself.

[QUOTE="RadBooley"]

[QUOTE="z4twenny"]

again, do your research. HAD you done your research you'd know that the gov't is incredibly biased and as i said before won't publish anything that goes against its anti drug policies. in many many trials marijuana has shown a possibility to protect against cancer, not promote it. as for heart attacks you have a better chance of getting a heart attack from running or jogging a quarter mile as that will raise your blood pressure and heart rate far more than marijuana will. the only detriment i can think of from long term habitual usage is empheseyma (which develops in people who never even smoke)

PLEASE people, do your research with unbiased sources.

z4twenny

With regards to cancer, yes, CBD (a non-psychoactive chemical in marijuana) has been linked to reduced risks of breast cancer. But many other studies have found smoking marijuana to increase the risk of lung cancer much more than tobacco smoke.

And besides, if CBD can provide some protection against breast cancer, why not just extract that chemical and use it as a treatment? I can assure you that nobody goes around smoking marijuana with the intent to protect themselves against cancer.

so by your statement you wouldn't have a problem if someone ate pot? by that rationale whats the issue behind smoking it? do some REALLY deep research to find out how cancer starts in the human body (free radicals altering dna within the cell) and how cannabinoids directly affect it (not just cbd's) and how marijuana elicits an incredibly minimal amount of free radicals through its travel in the human body (especially in comparison to tobacco or really any other thing) im guessing you'd like to make tobacco illegal as well, well while we're at it lets go ahead and take away alcohol and fast food. in fact, lets make everything except for work, exercise and lean food illegal because tv, alcohol, video games, movies and any other form of enjoyment has the potential to negatively impact a persons life. lets go ahead and remove everyones freedom of choice because obviously someone else knows whats better for me than myself.

im not sure if links' pic was meant to be serious or sarcastic :P. what it all boils down to is that you only get one life. if you want to smoke pot and it doesn't negatively impact yourself or the people around you and you enjoy it then there shouldn't be a problem with it (i think this applies to everything personally) enjoy life however you see fit as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. i can personally say it had only been a positive experience for myself, note MYSELF which means it cannot be applied to everyone else, but is applicable to me.

Marijuana was made illegal in the first place to discriminate against Mexicans and blacks. It was because the drug was associated with negroes and mexican immigrants that high class white people who made all the rules looked down on it.dirtydishko2

i commend you on your self education! initially it was made illegal because mexicans were coming over illegally and selling it in large quantities and the government wanted a way to deter illegal immigration and to jail offenders. as we've seen it didn't deter much.

Marijuana was made illegal in the first place to discriminate against Mexicans and blacks. It was because the drug was associated with negroes and mexican immigrants that high class white people who made all the rules looked down on it.dirtydishko2

like the good old "marijuana turns you into an axe-wielding murderer" statement from the government.

im not sure if links' pic was meant to be serious or sarcastic :P. what it all boils down to is that you only get one life. if you want to smoke pot and it doesn't negatively impact yourself or the people around you and you enjoy it then there shouldn't be a problem with it (i think this applies to everything personally) enjoy life however you see fit as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. i can personally say it had only been a positive experience for myself, note MYSELF which means it cannot be applied to everyone else, but is applicable to me.

Marijuana was made illegal in the first place to discriminate against Mexicans and blacks. It was because the drug was associated with negroes and mexican immigrants that high class white people who made all the rules looked down on it.dirtydishko2

i commend you on your self education! initially it was made illegal because mexicans were coming over illegally and selling it in large quantities and the government wanted a way to deter illegal immigration and to jail offenders. as we've seen it didn't deter much.

No. It just leads people into harder drugs. I watched some of my 'friends' start of with with weed and move into harder junk. They said they wouldent try anything else, but time tells different.

Drugs are for losers or patients that need them.

tim22000

The only reason that happens is because we try to scare kids into thinking pot is some sort of horrible substance that will ruin your life with just one puff off a joint. Then when they do actually try it they realize it's not nearly as bad as society trys to tell you it is so that makes you think maybe other drugs are the same case. That and because some street dealers will lace it with other stuff.

[QUOTE="tim22000"]

No. It just leads people into harder drugs. I watched some of my 'friends' start of with with weed and move into harder junk. They said they wouldent try anything else, but time tells different.

Drugs are for losers or patients that need them.

TyrantDragon55

The only reason that happens is because we try to scare kids into thinking pot is some sort of horrible substance that will ruin your life with just one puff off a joint. Then when they do actually try it they realize it's not nearly as bad as society trys to tell you it is so that makes you think maybe other drugs are the same case. That and because some street dealers will lace it with other stuff.

Exactly, it all started in the 30's when it became a craze in the suburbs and they started making films and actually making up lies so people would think it was bad.

The commericals were hilarious, they said people would go insane from smoking it and you would run people over for fun. It is a modern day prohibition.

They banned it because this one white guy did not like it that had a high influence in government. I don't remember his name but if he never existed it would not have been illegal. It doesn't make you stupid. It can help you concentrate on things. It helps in studies. Many of the geniuses of the world smoked it including Albert Einstein.