POLL: Was Bush's War in Iraq really about oil?

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#1 majwill24
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Looking back, do you think Bush started the War for oil or did he really belive Iraq had WMD's?

[Saddam]he allowed the world to believe he had weapons of mass destruction becausehe was worried about appearing weak to Iran" he told the FBI

and

China gets Iraq oil

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#2 l4dak47
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Despite what many people will say, no-one will ever know for sure what the war was really for. With that said, I'm sure the oil was a factor, but not the main goal.
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#3 Xx_Hopeless_xX
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I don't believe it was about oil...

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#4 Osaka-06
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I wasn't about WMDs that's for sure.
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#5 yabbicoke
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I don't see any reason to doubt that the Bush administration believed there were WMDs there, especially since that's what Saddam wanted everyone to think (according to him, at least).

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#6 Pirate700
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No. Anyone that says it was is just hatin' on Bush.

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#7 ScorpionBeeBee
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Yeah I'm sure we went to Iraq to promote democracy and for the beaches. If you honestly think oil is not the whole reason we are entrenched in the middle east at large I got a bridge on the other side of town to sell you I promise!
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#8 nintend-man86
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No. Anyone that says it was is just hatin' on Bush.

Pirate700

it was factor in the long run he was "misinformed" on weather there were weapons of mass distruction in a hostile country. http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/were_there_really_weapons_of_mass_destruction.html

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#9 biggest_loser
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Everyone knows it was about his ego of having to live up to his dads expectations by trying to finish what Bush Senior started.
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#10 bobaban
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No. Anyone that says it was is just hatin' on Bush.

Pirate700
But it was. And I sure as hell supported war for oil.
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#11 theone86
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Oil, contracts for Haliburton, installing a puppet government under the guise of democracy, furthering the military industrial complex, perhaps more things we don't know about or I'm forgetting. THe one thing I'm sure of is that it was not started to secure American Freedom, it was not started because of terrorism, and it was not started because they had WMD's. I thinking that looking at the definite lack of evidence supporting the presence of WMD's in Iraq now that we have a clearer picture and the method in which top administration officials went about, "convincing," people that there were WMD's it's pretty obvious that the whole argument was a farce, a globally significant, monetarily expensive, and human life-taking farce.

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#12 deactivated-57e5de5e137a4
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I think it was more a misguided power play.
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#13 xbox360isgr8t
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not for oil because if it was than our prices should be much lower than they are and to those that say otherwise are kidding themselves. its a good thing that saddam is gone so that is a plus whether people want to admit that or not as well. dont blame bush for iraq blame the world for always relying on the US.
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#14 gamedude2020
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it was definitely about oil. imo, it would be naive to think otherwise

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#15 Snipes_2
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No, It was not.

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#16 x8VXU6
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No. Anyone that says it was is just hatin' on Bush.

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yea cuz we dont have to reason to hate him........I mean its not like he did anything for us to hate him right!!!!!

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#17 yabbicoke
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it was definitely about oil. imo, it would be naive to think otherwise

gamedude2020

Why? From my point of view most of the evidence says otherwise, what evidence is there to suggest the entire war was about oil?

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#18 one_plum
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It was a geopolitical move; oil is not the main factor (if it was).

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#19 BosoxJoe5
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It was about a lot of things, but it is hard to make oil the sole reason of the war. I firmly believe they wanted to believe the whole WMD thing. The war for oil was largely a French/German/Russia myth that was created by them to cover up the massive corruption with the Oil-for-Food program. It was really cars, wine, and electronic for oil. Those three countries got a sweet deal on oil Iraq got premium products.

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#20 Ninja-Hippo
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I don't think we'll ever know. Personally i think they just wanted a puppet-government in the region because it's probably the biggest threat to the US in the world, thanks to Iran and the terrorist hub that is the middle east. That's just my interpretation of the events, though. They've tried to do the same thing so many times before; aiding the toppling of the government in Iran, selling weapons to saddam, putting the Taliban in power. The US wants a satellite in the region, and this seems like the latest attempt. Of course that could be *completely* wrong, we'll never know. It definitely wasn't for oil though. The money spent waging the war, plus the fact that the oil has gone to other countries easily demonstrate that.
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#21 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="gamedude2020"]

it was definitely about oil. imo, it would be naive to think otherwise

yabbicoke

Why? From my point of view most of the evidence says otherwise, what evidence is there to suggest the entire war was about oil?

This website of course! http://www.anti-bush.us/a5.php

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#22 biggest_loser
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[QUOTE="gamedude2020"]

it was definitely about oil. imo, it would be naive to think otherwise

yabbicoke

Why? From my point of view most of the evidence says otherwise, what evidence is there to suggest the entire war was about oil?

Because there were no WMDS and the reports on them were bogus?

I'm going to recommend a film for you!!

Thank me later!

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#23 fidosim
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Sadly, no. Instead of seizing Iraq's oil like we could have, we left it to the Iraqis.
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#24 BosoxJoe5
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[QUOTE="yabbicoke"]

[QUOTE="gamedude2020"]

it was definitely about oil. imo, it would be naive to think otherwise

Snipes_2

Why? From my point of view most of the evidence says otherwise, what evidence is there to suggest the entire war was about oil?

This website of course! http://www.anti-bush.us/a5.php

Wow that site is bad, what if I claimed Obama was born in Keyna and my only proof was a birther website. It would be pretty foolish.
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#25 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

[QUOTE="yabbicoke"]

Why? From my point of view most of the evidence says otherwise, what evidence is there to suggest the entire war was about oil?

BosoxJoe5

This website of course! http://www.anti-bush.us/a5.php

Wow that site is bad, what if I claimed Obama was born in Keyna and my only proof was a birther website. It would be pretty foolish.

I know, I was joking. :P
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#26 Ninja-Hippo
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] I know, I was joking. :P

You were joking just then or joking about the whole born in Kenya thing?
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#27 theone86
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[QUOTE="yabbicoke"]

[QUOTE="gamedude2020"]

it was definitely about oil. imo, it would be naive to think otherwise

biggest_loser

Why? From my point of view most of the evidence says otherwise, what evidence is there to suggest the entire war was about oil?

Because there were no WMDS and the reports on them were bogus?

I'm going to recommend a film for you!!

Thank me later!

Or this one:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/bushswar/

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#28 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] I know, I was joking. :P

You were joking just then or joking about the whole born in Kenya thing?

I was joking with the Website.
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#29 snowman6251
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I think for Bush personally the oil was more of a secondary objective. For Dick that was probably the main target but not Bush. I suspect Bush's main goal with the war was to outdo his Daddy.
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#30 Raiden004
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We will probably never know the real truth. But i think might oil become a major part in the war, but not the main reason. The nukes that they had and 9/11 was the primary reason we went to war with Iraq.

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[QUOTE="yabbicoke"]

[QUOTE="gamedude2020"]

it was definitely about oil. imo, it would be naive to think otherwise

biggest_loser

Why? From my point of view most of the evidence says otherwise, what evidence is there to suggest the entire war was about oil?

Because there were no WMDS and the reports on them were bogus?

I'm going to recommend a film for you!!

Thank me later!

Ahhh yes Green zone very good movie indeed.Makes you wonder after watching it.

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#32 Ninja-Hippo
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We will probably never know the real truth. But i think might oil become a major part in the war, but not the main reason. The nukes that they had and 9/11 was the primary reason we went to war with Iraq.

Raiden004
The nukes that they didn't have and the 9/11 attacks they had no involvement in. :o Really, when you think about it, it's kinda crazy Bush and Blair aren't in jail. Cheney even more so.
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#33 theone86
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[QUOTE="Raiden004"]

We will probably never know the real truth. But i think might oil become a major part in the war, but not the main reason. The nukes that they had and 9/11 was the primary reason we went to war with Iraq.

Ninja-Hippo

The nukes that they didn't have and the 9/11 attacks they had no involvement in. :o Really, when you think about it, it's kinda crazy Bush and Blair aren't in jail. Cheney even more so.

You're in the UK right? Lotta people over here outside the mainstream media of either side have been calling for criminal prosecutions for many members of the Bush staff. It's politically toxic, though, because the minute a lawsuit gets filed the right's going to start screaming about political motivation and I think the Obama administration just wants to get past it.

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#34 fidosim
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Raiden004"]

We will probably never know the real truth. But i think might oil become a major part in the war, but not the main reason. The nukes that they had and 9/11 was the primary reason we went to war with Iraq.

The nukes that they didn't have and the 9/11 attacks they had no involvement in. :o Really, when you think about it, it's kinda crazy Bush and Blair aren't in jail. Cheney even more so.

Er, not really. Everything Bush did was legal. :?
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#35 UnknownSniper65
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[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]

[QUOTE="yabbicoke"]

Why? From my point of view most of the evidence says otherwise, what evidence is there to suggest the entire war was about oil?

Promised_Trini

Because there were no WMDS and the reports on them were bogus?

I'm going to recommend a film for you!!

Thank me later!

Ahhh yes Green zone very good movie indeed.Makes you wonder after watching it.

That movie is fictional :roll:

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#36 one_plum
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Raiden004"]

We will probably never know the real truth. But i think might oil become a major part in the war, but not the main reason. The nukes that they had and 9/11 was the primary reason we went to war with Iraq.

fidosim

The nukes that they didn't have and the 9/11 attacks they had no involvement in. :o Really, when you think about it, it's kinda crazy Bush and Blair aren't in jail. Cheney even more so.

Er, not really. Everything Bush did was legal. :?

I guess UN laws do not apply for the most powerful country in the world.

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#37 fidosim
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I guess UN laws do not apply for the most powerful country in the world.

one_plum
We are a sovereign nation, with our own constitution.
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[QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] The nukes that they didn't have and the 9/11 attacks they had no involvement in. :o Really, when you think about it, it's kinda crazy Bush and Blair aren't in jail. Cheney even more so. one_plum

Er, not really. Everything Bush did was legal. :?

I guess UN laws do not apply for the most powerful country in the world.

The UN's laws haven't applied to anyone for quite sometime.

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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Raiden004"] [QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Raiden004"]

We will probably never know the real truth. But i think might oil become a major part in the war, but not the main reason. The nukes that they had and 9/11 was the primary reason we went to war with Iraq.

theone86

The nukes that they didn't have and the 9/11 attacks they had no involvement in. :o Really, when you think about it, it's kinda crazy Bush and Blair aren't in jail. Cheney even more so.

You're in the UK right? Lotta people over here outside the mainstream media of either side have been calling for criminal prosecutions for many members of the Bush staff. It's politically toxic, though, because the minute a lawsuit gets filed the right's going to start screaming about political motivation and I think the Obama administration just wants to get past it.

Lotta people is a stretch. But your overall point is true it would be a dangerous precedent to go after a past administration.

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[QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] The nukes that they didn't have and the 9/11 attacks they had no involvement in. :o Really, when you think about it, it's kinda crazy Bush and Blair aren't in jail. Cheney even more so. one_plum

Er, not really. Everything Bush did was legal. :?

I guess UN laws do not apply for the most powerful country in the world.

I don't really think the UN has Laws or anyway to enforce. There is the Geneva Convention which is separate from the UN. Also, instead of Declaration of War they war was started with an UN Resolution. So the US did operate with UN Mandates.
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#41 T_REX305
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I bet Bush wanted something. But who knows.

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#42 Theokhoth
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Yes, it was about oil we could have easily bought in a few weeks or months with no casualties at a fraction of the price of the multi-year war in which five thousand Americans were killed.
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#43 one_plum
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[QUOTE="one_plum"]

I guess UN laws do not apply for the most powerful country in the world.

fidosim

We are a sovereign nation, with our own constitution.

Iraq is a sovereign nation too.

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#44 fidosim
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[QUOTE="one_plum"]

[QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="one_plum"]

I guess UN laws do not apply for the most powerful country in the world.

We are a sovereign nation, with our own constitution.

Iraq is a sovereign nation too.

Cool?
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#45 one_plum
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[QUOTE="one_plum"]

[QUOTE="fidosim"]We are a sovereign nation, with our own constitution. fidosim

Iraq is a sovereign nation too.

Cool?

So the US constitution decides what can be done and what can't be done with every other sovereign nations?

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ok please i have a serious question. why does that US have a military base in iraq the size of the vatican?
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#47 Theokhoth
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[QUOTE="lloveLamp"]ok please i have a serious question. why does that US have a military base in iraq the size of the vatican?

Because when we leave Iraq we want to keep a military presence there, just like Japan and other countries with whom we've warred.
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[QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="one_plum"]

I guess UN laws do not apply for the most powerful country in the world.

one_plum

We are a sovereign nation, with our own constitution.

Iraq is a sovereign nation too.

Who now uses USA approved rules thanks to a successful invasion. On the one hand, Saddam was a jerk who needed to be removed. But on the other hand the whole USA effort was pushing to go now now now now now now now now and wouldn't wait. omg so urgent, WMDS!!! Which there were no WMD's and even then Iraq LACKS the ability to deliver these weapons to the US. Israel maybe. the US? No. no ICBM's sorry. So it really looks more like the Bush administration was just gunning for a second war, and a second vietnam for no real tangible reason. It's just a massive loss for everyone involved, there are no winners here except for a select few already rich men. Meanwhile Joe Average Marine and the people of Iraq go through all this suffering and war for.... nothing. Cuz it's still a dangerous place to live and within months of Allied support leaving Iraq to itself, it'll be overrun by another powerful dictator. The rich decide to go to war and it's the poor who pay for it.
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[QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Raiden004"]

We will probably never know the real truth. But i think might oil become a major part in the war, but not the main reason. The nukes that they had and 9/11 was the primary reason we went to war with Iraq.

The nukes that they didn't have and the 9/11 attacks they had no involvement in. :o Really, when you think about it, it's kinda crazy Bush and Blair aren't in jail. Cheney even more so.

Er, not really. Everything Bush did was legal. :?

The UN's official verdict on the war is that it was illegal. Thus, everything he did was not legal. I imagine if you actually look into the exact things they did you would also find violations of ethics codes and fraud ie planting the story about the Yellow cake uranium and fraudulently tying Saddam to al queda.
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#50 fidosim
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[QUOTE="one_plum"]

[QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="one_plum"]

Iraq is a sovereign nation too.

Cool?

So the US constitution decides what can be done and what can't be done with every other sovereign nations?

It decides what the U.S. government is allowed to do...