Poll what do you think reality is?

Hard to say, since schizophrenics can think one thing is real when really it isn't. Also Matrix, people in there go their whole lives thinking that is reality.

So it is really hard to say. I mean what I see seems like reality, but what if one day I just woke up and it was totally different. Or whatever else you can really imagine. It is such a complex thought or idea.

For the majority I think it's objective. Things are real, they exist. The laptop I'm typing on actually exists, regardless if you think it does, or whether you think I'm typing this on my Wii right now. Now I've got you thinking, but that doesn't change the fact.

The thing that is subjective is our perception. How do you know that you see the same as everyone else? There are people who are colourblind which adds subjectivity to their world. You can argue the symantics of what an apple truly looks like, but you can't deny that the apple exists. There are some things that we can't sense with our own bodies like infrared light and ultrasound, but that doesn't mean they don't exist because we subjectively can't experience them. On the other hand you can subjectively bring ideas into reality that are not actually real such as the ideas of Gods.

My biggest argument as you can probably guess is with people who say that you can't know anything is real except for yourself. While this is true to some extent, for reasonable everyday purposes it doesn't make sense to approach things this way, we have to assume that what we are experiencing is not being presented in a misleading way and that nature isn't just ****-ing with us, or we aren't in some kind of simulation or Matrix.

Objective through observation in a majority-rules manner.Oleg_Huzwog

subjective because nobody sees everything as everyone else.Patatopan

But we can see and describe everything in a way that 99.999% of the population would agree to.

[QUOTE="Patatopan"]subjective because nobody sees everything as everyone else.Oleg_Huzwog

But we can see and describe everything in a way that 99.999% of the population would agree to.

For the majority I think it's objective. Things are real, they exist. The laptop I'm typing on actually exists, regardless if you think it does, or whether you think I'm typing this on my Wii right now. Now I've got you thinking, but that doesn't change the fact.

The thing that is subjective is our perception. How do you know that you see the same as everyone else? There are people who are colourblind which adds subjectivity to their world. You can argue the symantics of what an apple truly looks like, but you can't deny that the apple exists. There are some things that we can't sense with our own bodies like infrared light and ultrasound, but that doesn't mean they don't exist because we subjectively can't experience them. On the other hand you can subjectively bring ideas into reality that are not actually real such as the ideas of Gods.

My biggest argument as you can probably guess is with people who say that you can't know anything is real except for yourself. While this is true to some extent, for reasonable everyday purposes it doesn't make sense to approach things this way, we have to assume that what we are experiencing is not being presented in a misleading way and that nature isn't just ****-ing with us, or we aren't in some kind of simulation or Matrix.

Yarcofin

Reality is one of two things:

1) The real world, and all the real solid objects on/in it.

OR

2) How we perceive the world.

It is completely deniable that everything around is real. But it is completely undeniable that our perception of it is real.

(Note: The above statement has no typos in it.)

The objects around us could, for all we know, be hallucinations. There is no evidence that they are real except what the facts are telling us. Facts which, assuming the objects around us are hallucinations, are also hallucinations. However, if I get what seems to be an orange out of what I understand to be a fruit bowl, to me it is an orange. That is undeniable. Never mind what it is, or whether or not it is real, to me it is an orange. The way I see that object is as an orange. So, as far as I care, the reality is that it is an orange. So that is what I think reality is.

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

[QUOTE="Patatopan"]subjective because nobody sees everything as everyone else.xaos

But we can see and describe everything in a way that 99.999% of the population would agree to.

:x I have half a mind to spank you with a subjective wooden spoon.

[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

But we can see and describe everything in a way that 99.999% of the population would agree to.

Oleg_Huzwog

:x I have half a mind to spank you with a subjective wooden spoon.

Reality is one of two things:

1) The real world, and all the real solid objects on/in it.

OR

2) How we perceive the world.

It is completely deniable that everything around is real. But it is completely undeniable that our perception of it is real.

(Note: The above statement has no typos in it.)

The objects around us could, for all we know, be hallucinations. There is no evidence that they are real except what the facts are telling us. Facts which, assuming the objects around us are hallucinations, are also hallucinations. However, if I get what seems to be an orange out of what I understand to be a fruit bowl, to me it is an orange. That is undeniable. Never mind what it is, or whether or not it is real, to me it is an orange. The way I see that object is as an orange. So, as far as I care, the reality is that it is an orange. So that is what I think reality is.

rundas03

So if I and a hundred other people unanimously agree that you've got an orange, are we coincidentally sharing the same hallucination? Or are you hallucinating that a hundred people are reaffirming your hallucination?

Only half..? :oops:xaos

Uh... well, that is... er... uh oh.

Hard to say, since schizophrenics can think one thing is real when really it isn't. Also Matrix, people in there go their whole lives thinking that is reality.

So it is really hard to say. I mean what I see seems like reality, but what if one day I just woke up and it was totally different. Or whatever else you can really imagine. It is such a complex thought or idea.

[QUOTE="rundas03"]

Reality is one of two things:

1) The real world, and all the real solid objects on/in it.

OR

2) How we perceive the world.

It is completely deniable that everything around is real. But it is completely undeniable that our perception of it is real.

(Note: The above statement has no typos in it.)

The objects around us could, for all we know, be hallucinations. There is no evidence that they are real except what the facts are telling us. Facts which, assuming the objects around us are hallucinations, are also hallucinations. However, if I get what seems to be an orange out of what I understand to be a fruit bowl, to me it is an orange. That is undeniable. Never mind what it is, or whether or not it is real, to me it is an orange. The way I see that object is as an orange. So, as far as I care, the reality is that it is an orange. So that is what I think reality is.

Oleg_Huzwog

So if I and a hundred other people unanimously agree that you've got an orange, are we coincidentally sharing the same hallucination? Or are you hallucinating that a hundred people are reaffirming your hallucination?

Either that is true, or you're just hallucinating me proposing this idea. Anyway, maybe I shouldn't have said hallucination. I just meant that there is no way we can ever be truly sure that what we see or feel is real, because if I asked you "is this orange real?" how do I know that what you're telling me is true? It's just what you think, based on what you can see. Which is not necessarily real.

Reality is objective.

If you believe otherwise, go to the highest point you can find, walk off, and believe that you won't fall.

Reality is objective.

If you believe otherwise, go to the highest point you can find, walk off, and believe that you won't fall.

Theokhoth