Poll: Would you support a 80% reduction in the US military budget?

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#1 majwill24
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The point is to cut the military spending and man power just enough to defend the US homeland. That would mean a closing of all over seas bases.

Also, keep in mind much of the antagonism towards the US will very likely be lessened with its forces gone from all parts of the world so you may be even safer, especially if you also cut foreign aid.

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#2 Dylan_11
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Will never happen....
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#3 topgunmv
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No, our military is what keeps other countries somewhat in check, although being stuck in 2 wars has made Russia pretty ballsy.

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#4 MoonMarvel
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NO! Its not a good idea to weaken us and some nations depend on our military. We tried to remove some troops from Germany and they complained and Japan wouldn't like it either.
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#5 hittin
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such stupidity never ceases to amaze even a reduction in the us budget would be catastrophic, an 80 percent reduc. would be super catastrophic
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#6 Tannerr33
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No, government spending is part of GDP and an 80% reduction would be terrible for the economy.

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#7 D3nnyCrane
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[QUOTE="hittin"]such stupidity never ceases to amaze even a reduction in the us budget would be catastrophic, an 80 percent reduc. would be super catastrophic

US MILITARY budget. 80% is excessive but the domestic and international impact of that sorta of financial freedom would be amazing.
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#8 hittin
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No, government spending is part of GDP and an 80% reduction would be terrible for the economy.

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add to that the aggregate demand would just drop like a sack of potatoes falling down a well but then again government intervention can cause gov. failure mr obama has to play it v. carefully
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#9 D3nnyCrane
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No, government spending is part of GDP and an 80% reduction would be terrible for the economy.

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You realise that the money taken from a non-revenue generating department could then be invested in foreign trade, domestic job growth, cheap/free education, and other revenue raising ventures, right?
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#10 Tannerr33
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[QUOTE="Tannerr33"]

No, government spending is part of GDP and an 80% reduction would be terrible for the economy.

D3nnyCrane

You realise that the money taken from a non-revenue generating department could then be invested in foreign trade, domestic job growth, cheap/free education, and other revenue raising ventures, right?

Oh I understand that, but the TC never said where the money would be going, so with the info that I am given I vote no.

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#11 snakes_codec
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im not American so its not my place to say but i will say 600 billion is a little to much to spend on any Military especially in these economically challenging times .

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#12 snakes_codec
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No, our military is what keeps other countries somewhat in check, although being stuck in 2 wars has made Russia pretty ballsy.

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no Russia is getting ballsy because it has most on Europe by the balls in that they can turn there Gas off at any time they want .

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#13 Mafiree
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[QUOTE="Tannerr33"]

No, government spending is part of GDP and an 80% reduction would be terrible for the economy.

D3nnyCrane
You realise that the money taken from a non-revenue generating department could then be invested in foreign trade, domestic job growth, cheap/free education, and other revenue raising ventures, right?

The military creates revenue..... Why do you think military contracts are so sought after? The military also provides scholarships for military persons for higher education at reduced costs. The military also creates fairly decent paying jobs as well.
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#14 D3nnyCrane
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[QUOTE="D3nnyCrane"][QUOTE="Tannerr33"]

No, government spending is part of GDP and an 80% reduction would be terrible for the economy.

Tannerr33

You realise that the money taken from a non-revenue generating department could then be invested in foreign trade, domestic job growth, cheap/free education, and other revenue raising ventures, right?

Oh I understand that, but the TC never said where the money would be going, so with the info that I am given I vote no.

Yeah fair play. Time will tell with a gradual decline in foreign military presence I guess.
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#15 LJS9502_basic
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No I would not. A strong military is the best defense.
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#16 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="Tannerr33"]

No, government spending is part of GDP and an 80% reduction would be terrible for the economy.

D3nnyCrane
You realise that the money taken from a non-revenue generating department could then be invested in foreign trade, domestic job growth, cheap/free education, and other revenue raising ventures, right?

The military itself already does all that.
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#17 jimmyjammer69
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Yes. I think there are more enjoyable ways to waste money than building anti-missile defences in Central Europe.
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#18 jetpower3
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No I would not. A strong military is the best defense.LJS9502_basic

Well said. Military deterrence is where it's at. By the enemy or potential enemy knowing he cannot attack or invade without unacceptable casualties and losses, you have therefore have peace. I would maybe cut it enough so that the U.S. does not run into deficit spending so easily.

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#20 jimmyjammer69
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No I would not. A strong military is the best defense.jetpower3

Well said. Military deterrence is where it's at. By the enemy knowing he cannot attack without unacceptable casualties and losses, you have therefore have peace.

And what's the best defence against inland terrorism? A more powerful police force?
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#21 jetpower3
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[QUOTE="jetpower3"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No I would not. A strong military is the best defense.jimmyjammer69

Well said. Military deterrence is where it's at. By the enemy knowing he cannot attack without unacceptable casualties and losses, you have therefore have peace.

And what's the best defence against inland terrorism? A more powerful police force?

I do not know enough about counter terrorism to say. Police I would imagine is one of them, but so is general stability, and intelligence monitoring. But remember terrorism is not the only means of warfare, and it's hardly the only threat of war left in the world. Even if none present themselves now, things can, have, and will change very quickly in political, economic, and social trends. Eventually, someone will come into power and view the lack of military deterrence as a weakness to be exploited.

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#22 m45t3rch13f
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If you remove US bases from Japan, North Korea will laugh their asses off...
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#23 majwill24
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No I would not. A strong military is the best defense.jetpower3

Well said. Military deterrence is where it's at. By the enemy or potential enemy knowing he cannot attack or invade without unacceptable casualties and losses, you have therefore have peace. I would maybe cut it enough so that the U.S. does not run into deficit spending so easily.

I really dont think anyone would try to invade the US mainland because the risk of getting their country nuked.

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#24 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="jetpower3"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No I would not. A strong military is the best defense.majwill24

Well said. Military deterrence is where it's at. By the enemy or potential enemy knowing he cannot attack or invade without unacceptable casualties and losses, you have therefore have peace. I would maybe cut it enough so that the U.S. does not run into deficit spending so easily.

I really dont think anyone would try to invade the US mainland because the risk of getting their country nuked.

I don't think it's because of the nukes that they don't invade.
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#25 jimmyjammer69
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[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="jetpower3"]

Well said. Military deterrence is where it's at. By the enemy knowing he cannot attack without unacceptable casualties and losses, you have therefore have peace.

jetpower3

And what's the best defence against inland terrorism? A more powerful police force?

I do not know enough about counter terrorism to say. Police I would imagine is one of them, but so is general stability, and intelligence monitoring. But remember terrorism is not the only means of warfare, and it's hardly the only threat of war left in the world. Even if none present themselves now, things can, have, and will change very quickly in political, economic, and social trends. Eventually, someone will come into power and view the lack of military deterrence as a weakness to be exploited.

What I'm trying to say is that US foreign policy may well be a major factor in causing terrorism on US soil. When you're dealing with radicals who can't be deterred with threats, then heavier home security is ultimately going to take its toll on innocent civilians and do little to discourage terrorists - maybe there's a parallel with foreign military presence and escalation of violence too.
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#26 DA_B0MB
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Hell no?
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#27 snakes_codec
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If you remove US bases from Japan, North Korea will laugh their asses off...m45t3rch13f
dude North Korea is a very small country of only 20 million people granted Japan is pretty damn small to but they have 130 million people and the 2nd largest economy in the world in a one on one fight NK would get whooped bad Japan doesn't need America to deal with NK .

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#28 Bourbons3
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No. I think the US spends too much on the military, but 80% is too drastic.
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#29 majwill24
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[QUOTE="m45t3rch13f"]If you remove US bases from Japan, North Korea will laugh their asses off...snakes_codec

dude North Korea is a very small country of only 20 million people granted Japan is pretty damn small to but they have 130 million people and the 2nd largest economy in the world in a one on one fight NK would get whooped bad Japan doesn't need America to deal with NK .

South Korea can also defeat the North as well. Much of the talk about how difficult a war with the North would be is on the assumption that the war would conducted by the South with US/western style tactics based on limited collateral damage. If war broke out, the south would suffer massive damage to their capital and put its people in a war of survival. It would turn into old school total war and the north would be annihilated

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#30 darkfox101
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No. Not only defense wise, but it creates relationships between other countires living in a military community myself.
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#31 Dark__Link
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You'd destroy our economy. Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Sikorsky, Northrop Grumman, Hamilton Sunstrand, Pratt & Whitney, Electric Boat, Raytheon, Textron, and all of the smaller companies (and there are thousands of them) that supply those larger ones would go out of business.

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#32 morewasabi
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[QUOTE="snakes_codec"]

[QUOTE="m45t3rch13f"]If you remove US bases from Japan, North Korea will laugh their asses off...majwill24

dude North Korea is a very small country of only 20 million people granted Japan is pretty damn small to but they have 130 million people and the 2nd largest economy in the world in a one on one fight NK would get whooped bad Japan doesn't need America to deal with NK .

South Korea can also defeat the North as well. Much of the talk about how difficult a war with the North would be is on the assumption that the war would conducted by the South with US/western style tactics based on limited collateral damage. If war broke out, the south would suffer massive damage to their capital and put its people in a war of survival. It would turn into old school total war and the north would be annihilated

I wouldn't assume that the North would go down so easily.

North Korea has one of the largest armies in the world. The South and its allies have a huge technological advantage, but would still be hard pressed to hold off the millions of North Koreans who could pour across the border on short notice. All of the South's major cities are within a few days of the border, and several (including Seoul) are within artillery range.

Of course, it really doesn't matter which one is stronger. Neither China nor the US would allow their proxies to be defeated, and would inevitably be drawn into the conflict.

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#33 Flamecommando
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80% ?!? Nope.

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#34 Pixel-Pirate
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80% Is abit overboard. I would be for cutting some military spending. Atleast 30%, if not more.

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#35 Dr_Brocoli
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80% is insane. Maybe just end the war in Iraq to save all that money that is spent everyday but stay in afghanistan.
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#36 lloveLamp
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No I would not. A strong military is the best defense.LJS9502_basic
so people actually think america would get invaded if it wasn't invading other countries?
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#37 majwill24
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80% is insane. Maybe just end the war in Iraq to save all that money that is spent everyday but stay in afghanistan.Dr_Brocoli

The US military budget for 2010 is projected to be 880 billion dollars! Cutting it by 80% would still make the US the top military spender in the world.

How much armament an personnel does the US need:shock:

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#38 spazzx625
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No I would not. A strong military is the best defense.lloveLamp
so people actually think america would get invaded if it wasn't invading other countries?

We did during WW2...:? Also, it's not just being invaded, it's security. The same reason you have a lock on your front door.
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#39 majwill24
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80% Is abit overboard. I would be for cutting some military spending. Atleast 30%, if not more.

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Look at these numbers :o

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#40 EMOEVOLUTION
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Yes, I would. But, people who make weapons for the U.S. military would hate this idea.. oh, well. I could really care less if people who make weapons got any money at all.

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#41 Lonelynight
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No, and I'm not even an American.
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#42 OODALOOP
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No, because I'm not an idiot.

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#43 Kamekazi_69
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May I ask you a neutral question? Whats with you and the whole "TheUS is in the wrong" threads? :? Do you find something apalling about it?, or perhaps its envy?

and No. While I believe that the US doesnt need 20,000 nuclear weapons, I think the budget should be focused onadvance but affordable technology research.

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#44 curono
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I would not just support it but encourage.
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#45 Oleg_Huzwog
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No, I like being able to impose our will upon others.

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#46 loco145
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Yes. (Im not USA citizen)
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#47 majwill24
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May I ask you a neutral question? Whats with you and the whole "TheUS is in the wrong" threads? :? Do you find something apalling about it?, or perhaps its envy?

and No. While I believe that the US doesnt need 20,000 nuclear weapons, I think the budget should be focused onadvance but affordable technology research.

Kamekazi_69

I'll answer your question if you answer mines first.

Describe your political ideology. Ignore social issues, like religion, g ays, affirmative action etc

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#48 wstfld
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No. I think America's overwhelming military superiority is has an overall positive effect in the world. In terms of its affect on America alone, I think its great that we try to stay 25 years ahead of everyone else technologically.
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#49 get-ka12
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No, we need the protection, it's an investment that pays off.