Pope: pedophilia was considered normal in the 1970s

Merry Christmas to all catholics...

Victims of clerical sex abuse have reacted furiously to Pope Benedict's claim yesterday that paedophilia wasn't considered an "absolute evil" as recently as the 1970s.

In his traditional Christmas address yesterday to cardinals and officials working in Rome, Pope Benedict XVI also claimed that child pornography was increasingly considered "normal" by society.

"In the 1970s, paedophilia was theorised as something fully in conformity with man and even with children," the Pope said.

"It was maintained — even within the realm of Catholic theology — that there is no such thing as evil in itself or good in itself. There is only a 'better than' and a 'worse than'. Nothing is good or bad in itself."

The Pope said abuse revelations in 2010 reached "an unimaginable dimension" which brought "humiliation" on the Church.

Asking how abuse exploded within the Church, the Pontiff called on senior clerics "to repair as much as possible the injustices that occurred" and to help victims heal through a better presentation of the Christian message.

"We cannot remain silent about the context of these times in which these events have come to light," he said, citing the growth of child pornography "that seems in some way to be considered more and more normal by society" he said.

But outraged Dublin victim Andrew Madden last night insisted that child abuse was not considered normal in the company he kept.

Mr Madden accused the Pope of not knowing that child pornography was the viewing of images of children being sexually abused, and should be named as such.

He said: "That is not normal. I don't know what company the Pope has been keeping for the past 50 years."

Pope Benedict also said sex tourism in the Third World was "threatening an entire generation".

Angry abuse victims in America last night said that while some Church officials have blamed the liberalism of the 1960s for the Church's sex abuse scandals and cover-up catastrophes, Pope Benedict had come up with a new theory of blaming the 1970s.

"Catholics should be embarrassed to hear their Pope talk again and again about abuse while doing little or nothing to stop it and to mischaracterise this heinous crisis," said Barbara Blaine, the head of SNAP, the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests,

"It is fundamentally disturbing to watch a brilliant man so conveniently misdiagnose a horrific scandal," she added.

"The Pope insists on talking about a vague 'broader context' he can't control, while ignoring the clear 'broader context' he can influence — the long-standing and unhealthy culture of a rigid, secretive, all-male Church hierarchy fixated on self-preservation at all costs. This is the 'context' that matters."

The latest controversy comes as the German magazine Der Spiegel continues to investigate the Pope's role in allowing a known paedophile priest to work with children in the early 1980s.



Thoughts? lol

I'm pretty sure that's the worst way anyone has ever wished someone a merry Christmas since... ever.

Its the churches own fault for not letting priests marry. And only ugly girls become nuns, so what's a guy gonna do but play grab ass with an altar boy. bobaban

Wanted: Public relations person for the pope.... and maybe a small child

Oh Pope, you so crazy.

Man, the '70s must've been insane!

Sounds like he is reminiscing upon the good ol' days.

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It's hard to know what you're ****ing with enough coke and disco.

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SAGE_OF_FIRE

Good.......Let the pedophilia run through you.

Wanted: Public relations person for the pope.... and maybe a small child

Bedizen

LMFAO

OT: i really, really hope this is fake...

Of course homosexuality is a evil sin by the church...

with the exception of little boys.:P:?

Of course homosexuality is a evil sin by the church...

with the exception of little boys.:P:?

dercoo

Its the churches own fault for not letting priests marry. And only ugly girls become nuns, so what's a guy gonna do but play grab ass with an altar boy. bobaban

"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth." (1 Timothy 4:1-3 KJV)

and it says in order to be a bishop you must have a wife and even kids

"This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife... One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity"(1 Timothy 3:1-4 KJV)

But i guess they don't like to read those parts :P

Like this matters at all (his statements). He could've just shut up, done his investigations and put his head down; instead, he makes probably one of the most controversial claims in recent times which is going to be hilarious offensive to those affected by the issue. Genius trolling.

Though, a world class mountebank will try to sell you a story, I'm not surprised.

considering the context that an act has been done on is merely to get a better understanding of the act ,it doesn't make the act any less evil.

I really don't see anything inherently wrong with being attracted to fertile females, that's how we are hardwired regardless of an abitrary age number.UT_Wrestler

LOL

Oh Pope, you so crazy

I really don't see anything inherently wrong with being attracted to fertile females, that's how we are hardwired regardless of an abitrary age number.UT_Wrestler

Though that technically isn't pedophilia. Pedophilia is the attraction to prepubescent children.

the pope should be sacked

I really don't see anything inherently wrong with being attracted to fertile females, that's how we are hardwired regardless of an abitrary age number.UT_Wrestler

haha ok!! :>

Reminds me, pools closed early today, you better go pick up the kids before the parents do!

Apparently accepting responsibility is not considered normal in the early 21st century.

I don't think the pope represent the opinion of all Catholics or even a majority.krazy-blazer

I don't think the pope represent the opinion of all Catholics or even a majority.krazy-blazer

Isn't the Pope viewed as some who talks directly to God and spreads his word - a conduit of sorts?

[QUOTE="krazy-blazer"]I don't think the pope represent the opinion of all Catholics or even a majority.entropyecho

Isn't the Pope viewed as some who talks directly to God and spreads his word - a conduit of sorts?

[QUOTE="entropyecho"]

[QUOTE="krazy-blazer"]I don't think the pope represent the opinion of all Catholics or even a majority.krazy-blazer

Isn't the Pope viewed as some who talks directly to God and spreads his word - a conduit of sorts?

The Catholics who are having a difference of opinion with the recent things going on.. Are leaving the church.. Its pretty simple really.. The Vatican is more or less the defining point of the Catholic faith.. They have already been polls with the recent crap going on that people are thinking about leaving it.

[QUOTE="krazy-blazer"][QUOTE="entropyecho"]

Isn't the Pope viewed as some who talks directly to God and spreads his word - a conduit of sorts?

sSubZerOo

The Catholics who are having a difference of opinion with the recent things going on.. Are leaving the church.. Its pretty simple really.. The Vatican is more or less the defining point of the Catholic faith.. They have already been polls with the recent crap going on that people are thinking about leaving it.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="krazy-blazer"] Does that necessarily mean that he represents the opinion of catholic people? I am not very knowledgeable in Catholicism, but I don't think its a requirement to follow The Papacy.krazy-blazer

The Catholics who are having a difference of opinion with the recent things going on.. Are leaving the church.. Its pretty simple really.. The Vatican is more or less the defining point of the Catholic faith.. They have already been polls with the recent crap going on that people are thinking about leaving it.

Crap Xmas greeting dude. In fact, buying a bottle of wine from the off licence on Xmas Eve a tramp approached me for some money, I declined. What he said next was a better Xmas greeting than the author just offered. A time & a place my friend, learn to.Justinps2hero

Merry Christmas to all catholics...

Victims of clerical sex abuse have reacted furiously to Pope Benedict's claim yesterday that paedophilia wasn't considered an "absolute evil" as recently as the 1970s.

In his traditional Christmas address yesterday to cardinals and officials working in Rome, Pope Benedict XVI also claimed that child pornography was increasingly considered "normal" by society.

"In the 1970s, paedophilia was theorised as something fully in conformity with man and even with children," the Pope said.

"It was maintained — even within the realm of Catholic theology — that there is no such thing as evil in itself or good in itself. There is only a 'better than' and a 'worse than'. Nothing is good or bad in itself."

The Pope said abuse revelations in 2010 reached "an unimaginable dimension" which brought "humiliation" on the Church.

Asking how abuse exploded within the Church, the Pontiff called on senior clerics "to repair as much as possible the injustices that occurred" and to help victims heal through a better presentation of the Christian message.

"We cannot remain silent about the context of these times in which these events have come to light," he said, citing the growth of child pornography "that seems in some way to be considered more and more normal by society" he said.

But outraged Dublin victim Andrew Madden last night insisted that child abuse was not considered normal in the company he kept.

Mr Madden accused the Pope of not knowing that child pornography was the viewing of images of children being sexually abused, and should be named as such.

He said: "That is not normal. I don't know what company the Pope has been keeping for the past 50 years."

Pope Benedict also said sex tourism in the Third World was "threatening an entire generation".

Angry abuse victims in America last night said that while some Church officials have blamed the liberalism of the 1960s for the Church's sex abuse scandals and cover-up catastrophes, Pope Benedict had come up with a new theory of blaming the 1970s.

"Catholics should be embarrassed to hear their Pope talk again and again about abuse while doing little or nothing to stop it and to mischaracterise this heinous crisis," said Barbara Blaine, the head of SNAP, the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests,

"It is fundamentally disturbing to watch a brilliant man so conveniently misdiagnose a horrific scandal," she added.

"The Pope insists on talking about a vague 'broader context' he can't control, while ignoring the clear 'broader context' he can influence — the long-standing and unhealthy culture of a rigid, secretive, all-male Church hierarchy fixated on self-preservation at all costs. This is the 'context' that matters."

The latest controversy comes as the German magazine Der Spiegel continues to investigate the Pope's role in allowing a known paedophile priest to work with children in the early 1980s.



Thoughts? lol

GrabTheYayo

However the Pope is bringing up some important issues, hardly "blaming the 70s" (although one must admit if you look at when most of the abuse occured it was when the "sexual revolution" was raging strongest, it's not hard to see how an ideology that promotes sexual pleasure triumphing over any "old fashioned" morality and virtue, can lead pedophiles to indulge themselves in such odious deeds). Moral relativism would tend to make pedophilia more "acceptable" since by it's nature Moral relativism does not allow things to be "unacceptable". Likewise, one must realize that pedophilia is a rampant problem in society, and of course the poisons of society will seep into the Church. Thus it is not only the church that must deal with this issue, but all society.

Also in that same message, though the TC neglected to mention this, the Pope called for more vigilance to ensure that pedophiles and ephebophiles are not ordained to the priesthood or accepted into seminaries.

[QUOTE="GrabTheYayo"]

Merry Christmas to all catholics...

Victims of clerical sex abuse have reacted furiously to Pope Benedict's claim yesterday that paedophilia wasn't considered an "absolute evil" as recently as the 1970s.

In his traditional Christmas address yesterday to cardinals and officials working in Rome, Pope Benedict XVI also claimed that child pornography was increasingly considered "normal" by society.

"In the 1970s, paedophilia was theorised as something fully in conformity with man and even with children," the Pope said.

"It was maintained - even within the realm of Catholic theology - that there is no such thing as evil in itself or good in itself. There is only a 'better than' and a 'worse than'. Nothing is good or bad in itself."

The Pope said abuse revelations in 2010 reached "an unimaginable dimension" which brought "humiliation" on the Church.

Asking how abuse exploded within the Church, the Pontiff called on senior clerics "to repair as much as possible the injustices that occurred" and to help victims heal through a better presentation of the Christian message.

"We cannot remain silent about the context of these times in which these events have come to light," he said, citing the growth of child pornography "that seems in some way to be considered more and more normal by society" he said.

But outraged Dublin victim Andrew Madden last night insisted that child abuse was not considered normal in the company he kept.

Mr Madden accused the Pope of not knowing that child pornography was the viewing of images of children being sexually abused, and should be named as such.

He said: "That is not normal. I don't know what company the Pope has been keeping for the past 50 years."

Pope Benedict also said sex tourism in the Third World was "threatening an entire generation".

Angry abuse victims in America last night said that while some Church officials have blamed the liberalism of the 1960s for the Church's sex abuse scandals and cover-up catastrophes, Pope Benedict had come up with a new theory of blaming the 1970s.

"Catholics should be embarrassed to hear their Pope talk again and again about abuse while doing little or nothing to stop it and to mischaracterise this heinous crisis," said Barbara Blaine, the head of SNAP, the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests,

"It is fundamentally disturbing to watch a brilliant man so conveniently misdiagnose a horrific scandal," she added.

"The Pope insists on talking about a vague 'broader context' he can't control, while ignoring the clear 'broader context' he can influence - the long-standing and unhealthy culture of a rigid, secretive, all-male Church hierarchy fixated on self-preservation at all costs. This is the 'context' that matters."

The latest controversy comes as the German magazine Der Spiegel continues to investigate the Pope's role in allowing a known paedophile priest to work with children in the early 1980s.



Thoughts? lol

JoeRatz16

However the Pope is bringing up some important issues, hardly "blaming the 70s" (although one must admit if you look at when most of the abuse occured it was when the "sexual revolution" was raging strongest, it's not hard to see how an ideology that promotes sexual pleasure triumphing over any "old fashioned" morality and virtue, can lead pedophiles to indulge themselves in such odious deeds). Moral relativism would tend to make pedophilia more "acceptable" since by it's nature Moral relativism does not allow things to be "unacceptable". Likewise, one must realize that pedophilia is a rampant problem in society, and of course the poisons of society will seep into the Church. Thus it is not only the church that must deal with this issue, but all society.

Also in that same message, though the TC neglected to mention this, the Pope called for more vigilance to ensure that pedophiles and ephebophiles are not ordained to the priesthood or accepted into seminaries.

[QUOTE="JoeRatz16"]

[QUOTE="GrabTheYayo"]

Merry Christmas to all catholics...

Victims of clerical sex abuse have reacted furiously to Pope Benedict's claim yesterday that paedophilia wasn't considered an "absolute evil" as recently as the 1970s.

In his traditional Christmas address yesterday to cardinals and officials working in Rome, Pope Benedict XVI also claimed that child pornography was increasingly considered "normal" by society.

"In the 1970s, paedophilia was theorised as something fully in conformity with man and even with children," the Pope said.

"It was maintained - even within the realm of Catholic theology - that there is no such thing as evil in itself or good in itself. There is only a 'better than' and a 'worse than'. Nothing is good or bad in itself."

The Pope said abuse revelations in 2010 reached "an unimaginable dimension" which brought "humiliation" on the Church.

Asking how abuse exploded within the Church, the Pontiff called on senior clerics "to repair as much as possible the injustices that occurred" and to help victims heal through a better presentation of the Christian message.

"We cannot remain silent about the context of these times in which these events have come to light," he said, citing the growth of child pornography "that seems in some way to be considered more and more normal by society" he said.

But outraged Dublin victim Andrew Madden last night insisted that child abuse was not considered normal in the company he kept.

Mr Madden accused the Pope of not knowing that child pornography was the viewing of images of children being sexually abused, and should be named as such.

He said: "That is not normal. I don't know what company the Pope has been keeping for the past 50 years."

Pope Benedict also said sex tourism in the Third World was "threatening an entire generation".

Angry abuse victims in America last night said that while some Church officials have blamed the liberalism of the 1960s for the Church's sex abuse scandals and cover-up catastrophes, Pope Benedict had come up with a new theory of blaming the 1970s.

"Catholics should be embarrassed to hear their Pope talk again and again about abuse while doing little or nothing to stop it and to mischaracterise this heinous crisis," said Barbara Blaine, the head of SNAP, the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests,

"It is fundamentally disturbing to watch a brilliant man so conveniently misdiagnose a horrific scandal," she added.

"The Pope insists on talking about a vague 'broader context' he can't control, while ignoring the clear 'broader context' he can influence - the long-standing and unhealthy culture of a rigid, secretive, all-male Church hierarchy fixated on self-preservation at all costs. This is the 'context' that matters."

The latest controversy comes as the German magazine Der Spiegel continues to investigate the Pope's role in allowing a known paedophile priest to work with children in the early 1980s.



Thoughts? lol

cybrcatter

However the Pope is bringing up some important issues, hardly "blaming the 70s" (although one must admit if you look at when most of the abuse occured it was when the "sexual revolution" was raging strongest, it's not hard to see how an ideology that promotes sexual pleasure triumphing over any "old fashioned" morality and virtue, can lead pedophiles to indulge themselves in such odious deeds). Moral relativism would tend to make pedophilia more "acceptable" since by it's nature Moral relativism does not allow things to be "unacceptable". Likewise, one must realize that pedophilia is a rampant problem in society, and of course the poisons of society will seep into the Church. Thus it is not only the church that must deal with this issue, but all society.

Also in that same message, though the TC neglected to mention this, the Pope called for more vigilance to ensure that pedophiles and ephebophiles are not ordained to the priesthood or accepted into seminaries.

I imagine that once it seeps from one into the other than it can seep back into the other. But if I'm correct things like the Sexual Revolution, Moral Relativism and the Gay Rights movements emerged in secular society and their effects seeped into the Church setting the stage for the abuse issueJoeRatz16

[QUOTE="JoeRatz16"]I imagine that once it seeps from one into the other than it can seep back into the other. But if I'm correct things like the Sexual Revolution, Moral Relativism and the Gay Rights movements emerged in secular society and their effects seeped into the Church setting the stage for the abuse issueLonelynight

[QUOTE="cybrcatter"]

[QUOTE="JoeRatz16"] I presume that you are referring to the Pope's Address to members of the Curia, which contrary to the news reports which fixate on the abuse issue, only mentioned the abuse issue in passing. This is not a Christmas message to all Catholics, the Urbi et Orbi fulfills that role.

However the Pope is bringing up some important issues, hardly "blaming the 70s" (although one must admit if you look at when most of the abuse occured it was when the "sexual revolution" was raging strongest, it's not hard to see how an ideology that promotes sexual pleasure triumphing over any "old fashioned" morality and virtue, can lead pedophiles to indulge themselves in such odious deeds). Moral relativism would tend to make pedophilia more "acceptable" since by it's nature Moral relativism does not allow things to be "unacceptable". Likewise, one must realize that pedophilia is a rampant problem in society, and of course the poisons of society will seep into the Church. Thus it is not only the church that must deal with this issue, but all society.

Also in that same message, though the TC neglected to mention this, the Pope called for more vigilance to ensure that pedophiles and ephebophiles are not ordained to the priesthood or accepted into seminaries.

JoeRatz16