Prison Life is Too Good!

I think a person that has commited a crime should not live better than a homeless person. What is your position on this topic?

But they get free education and health care not even on their dollar, OURS!!!TragicalBeauty

So you'd rather have them out there committing crimes?

I think a person that has commited a crime should not live better than a homeless person. What is your position on this topic?

TragicalBeauty

Have you ever been to prison?

And I don't mean taken a tour, I mean have you ever been imprisoned, and forced to LIVE in prison?

[QUOTE="TragicalBeauty"]But they get free education and health care not even on their dollar, OURS!!!UnrighteousFury

So you'd rather have them out there committing crimes?

No, make their experience more like hell than a hotel so they won't return. They will think twice before strealing that coke.

But they get free education and health care not even on their dollar, OURS!!!TragicalBeauty

So do the Guantanamo Bay detainees. Fact of the matter is that the US health care system is very broken. We could fix it and make it socialized like every other industrialized nation on earth, but that would make us commies.

Anyway, health care and education are human rights, hence the reason they're provided to prisoners (they should also be provided to US citizens, but again we have too many idiots living in this country for such legislation to ever get passed in the next century). And without education prisoner recidivism goes up because they aren't able to get half-decent jobs when they get out of prison. And without a job they're going to turn back to habits that they know will get them money (ie crime). Remember: Prison isn't supposed to be about punishment but rather rehabilitation.

But I wouldn't say that prison life is good. I'd hardly say that the constant threat of being murdered and/or raped is living the good life, nor is losing every right, privilage, and right to privacy you ever had.

[QUOTE="TragicalBeauty"]

I think a person that has commited a crime should not live better than a homeless person. What is your position on this topic?

MrGeezer

Have you ever been to prison?

And I don't mean taken a tour, I mean have you ever been imprisoned, and forced to LIVE in prison?

I think a person that has commited a crime should not live better than a homeless person. What is your position on this topic?

TragicalBeauty

[QUOTE="UnrighteousFury"]

[QUOTE="TragicalBeauty"]But they get free education and health care not even on their dollar, OURS!!!TragicalBeauty

So you'd rather have them out there committing crimes?

No, make their experience more like hell than a hotel so they won't return. They will think twice before strealing that coke.

It's not as if they just sit there twiddling their thumbs all day. The focus of the prison system is to reform criminals, not to torture them.

Now whether or not it's effective in that reformation is debatable.

I haven't, but I'm willing to bet it's better than living like this: Brainkiller05

I'm sorry, but assumptions don't exactly qualify as evidence.

having a roof over your head, have three meals a day versuses homeless people who somtimes dont eat, free clothing. Excercise faculties, im mean have you seen a homeless guy hitting the gym? clearly, Prison system need to be more harsh.

having a roof over your head, have three meals a day versuses homeless people who somtimes dont eat, free clothing. Excercise faculties, im mean have you seen a homeless guy hitting the gym? clearly, Prison system need to be more harsh.

TragicalBeauty

So what you're suggesting is that we lock prisoners in cells naked, without any heating or cooling, and only enough food to keep them from dying of starvation. Yeah, we'd have the UN Human Rights comittee and Amnesty International all over our asses if we started doing that. The reason why prisoners get treated better than homeless is because when a person gets incarcerated the government becomes responsible for them whereas no one is resonsible for hobos except the hobos themselves.

having a roof over your head, have three meals a day versuses homeless people who somtimes dont eat, free clothing. Excercise faculties, im mean have you seen a homeless guy hitting the gym? clearly, Prison system need to be more harsh.

TragicalBeauty

having a roof over your head, have three meals a day versuses homeless people who somtimes dont eat, free clothing. Excercise faculties, im mean have you seen a homeless guy hitting the gym? clearly, Prison system need to be more harsh.

TragicalBeauty

Walking to the park and watching the sun set, vs having to let somebody rape you every night just so you don't get murdered.

FREEDOM vs a LACK of freedom.

"Oh, that freedom thing is overrated. As long as my mastuh gives me food, I couldn't care less about freedom. Shoot, on Christmas he even lets me eat at the family table!"

having a roof over your head, have three meals a day versuses homeless people who somtimes dont eat, free clothing. Excercise faculties, im mean have you seen a homeless guy hitting the gym? clearly, Prison system need to be more harsh.

TragicalBeauty

But seriously why should we pay for it? I think we should seize their assests and liquidate them or go through their bank, I understand human rights but I should I pay for a lifestyle i do not approve of. TragicalBeauty

But seriously why should we pay for it? I think we should seize their assests and liquidate them or go through their bank, I understand human rights but I should I pay for a lifestyle i do not approve of. TragicalBeauty

But seriously why should we pay for it? I think we should seize their assests and liquidate them or go through their bank, I understand human rights but I should I pay for a lifestyle i do not approve of. TragicalBeauty

because somebody has to and the hobo isnt gonna be the one to do it.

food, shelter, exersice are all basic human rights which everyone is entitled too. i have an article laying around arguing that we should cut funding to help homeless people nd the argument is much better than this one you are presenting.

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="TragicalBeauty"]

I think a person that has commited a crime should not live better than a homeless person. What is your position on this topic?

Brainkiller05

Have you ever been to prison?

And I don't mean taken a tour, I mean have you ever been imprisoned, and forced to LIVE in prison?

[QUOTE="Brainkiller05"] I haven't, but I'm willing to bet it's better than living like this: MrGeezer

I'm sorry, but assumptions don't exactly qualify as evidence.

Walking to the park and watching the sun set, vs having to let somebody rape you every night just so you don't get murdered.MrGeezer

heres a solution. why dont u volunteer yourself to spend 2 weeks in maximum security

and sign a contract to be treated like a maximum security inmate and comeback and tell us if life was GOOOOOOOOD like u mentioned.

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[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]Walking to the park and watching the sun set, vs having to let somebody rape you every night just so you don't get murdered.3-Legged_Man

Please. What part of being homeless prevents you from living your life the way that YOU see fit? If you live within 5 miles of any grocery store, you'll have an unlimited supply of free dumpster food (which despite coming from a dumpster, is often quite good. You also have access to libraries (last I checked, most libraries don't require people to provide proof of permanent residence before allowing them to read). Sure you can't check out books, but prisoners also can't check prison books out of prison. Prisoners have to wear prison uniforms. That dude with the shopping cart can wear whatever the hell he wants to. He doesn't have a curfew, he can still visit his family or merely chat it up with random people. He can walk down the street as a free man, interact with you and I, and he probably has access to homeless shelters where he can clean himself up a little bit.

He is FREE. He can live the way that HE wants to live. Now sure, if he WANTS to get drunk every night and pass out in a puddle of his own wastes, then he is also free to do that too. The prisoner is NOT free to do that.

When you're homeless, you live as a free man. You have the freedom to better yourself, and you have the freedom to continue pissing your life away. As a homeless man your options might be more limited than someone with a house and a car, but you STILL get the freedom to choose how to live your life. Prisoners do NOT have this freedom. Yes, they get food and shelter, and they are not free. That's the tradeoff. If you think that being homeless and free for 10 years is worse than being in prison (I'm talking REAL prison here, not white collar prison) for ten years, then that really only reflects upon YOU.

Please. What part of being homeless prevents you from living your life the way that YOU see fit?MrGeezer

Oh I don't know... maybe not having a nice bed to sleep on!!! Among other things. I'm not even going to entertain this any further. How ridiculous!

If you live within 5 miles of any grocery store, you'll have an unlimited supply of free dumpster food (which despite coming from a dumpster, is often quite good.MrGeezer

To quote you, "I'm sorry, but assumptions don't exactly qualify as evidence."

Because I'm sure people just love eating dumpster food...all covered in bacteria. Delicious and nutritious! :roll:

You also have access to libraries (last I checked, most libraries don't require people to provide proof of permanent residence before allowing them to read). Sure you can't check out books, but prisoners also can't check prison books out of prison. MrGeezer

Yeah maybe they can print out that Dr. Pepper coupon while they're in there. Whatever. There are libraries in prison too.

Prisoners have to wear prison uniforms. MrGeezer

Yep. Nice clean uniforms. Better than soiled and soggy clothes that smell like goats, and haven't been washed in a month. :roll:

That dude with the shopping cart can wear whatever the hell he wants to. MrGeezer

If he has the strength. Most homeless people are in terrible health.

He doesn't have a curfew, he can still visit his family or merely chat it up with random people. MrGeezer

Curfew isn't the gamebreaker between prison life and homeless life. :lol: I doubt he cares about being able to sit freely in an alley at 3 AM, when he'd rather have a nice warm bed... and maybe a sandwich.. and maybe some teeth to chew that sandwich.

He can walk down the street as a free man, interact with you and I, and he probably has access to homeless shelters where he can clean himself up a little bit. MrGeezer

If all goes well. But most homeless people don't have it like this. Otherwise they wouldn't smell so bad. Some of them get kicked out of shelters too, for causing trouble, when most of the trouble they cause is rooted in their mental illness, and really isn't their fault. Not to mention, kicking them out doesn't make the situation any better.

He is FREE. He can live the way that HE wants to live. MrGeezer

What are you talking about? Free? Really? He's a prisoner of the street life!

As a homeless man your options might be more limited than someone with a house and a car, but you STILL get the freedom to choose how to live your life. MrGeezer

When you live on the street, your options for bettering your life are slim to none. Here you are talking about choices like it's some wonderland of opportunity.

I think a person that has commited a crime should not live better than a homeless person. What is your position on this topic?

TragicalBeauty

Living behind bars, locked almost all day long, eating crappy food, afraid of being murdered is a good life?Cedric169

I can't afford the health care that I'd like to have. I can't afford to eat at fancy restaurants. And I'm not even homeless.

On the other hand, in a world where homeless people can afford to live their whole lives in a drunken stupor, it IS entirely within a homeless person's ability to better themselves. Booze is not cheap, I know. Tonight I had to break the piggybank for my booze money. And again, I'm not even homeless, and I can hold a job. If a homeless person WANTS to spend the little money they find on booze rather than a toothbrush and some toothpaste, then that was THEIR choice, and anyone with a home and a job is entirely capable of making choices that are equally as bad. Homeless people have a LOT of freedom in how to live their lives, what they do with their lives IS up to them.

Here's a neat little exercise you can do. Go to the part of town where the homeless people live. Ask THEM if they would rather be homeless or in prison. My opinion doesn't count. Neither does yours. You're not homeless or in prison, and neither am I. Ask some people who really ARE homeless, and then come back here and tell me what they say.

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

Please. What part of being homeless prevents you from living your life the way that YOU see fit?3-Legged_Man

Oh I don't know... maybe not having a nice bed to sleep on!!! Among other things. I'm not even going to entertain this any further. How ridiculous!

If you live within 5 miles of any grocery store, you'll have an unlimited supply of free dumpster food (which despite coming from a dumpster, is often quite good.MrGeezer

To quote you, "I'm sorry, but assumptions don't exactly qualify as evidence."

Because I'm sure people just love eating dumpster food...all covered in bacteria. Delicious and nutritious! :roll:

You also have access to libraries (last I checked, most libraries don't require people to provide proof of permanent residence before allowing them to read). Sure you can't check out books, but prisoners also can't check prison books out of prison. MrGeezer

Yeah maybe they can print out that Dr. Pepper coupon while they're in there. Whatever. There are libraries in prison too.

Prisoners have to wear prison uniforms. MrGeezer

Yep. Nice clean uniforms. Better than soiled and soggy clothes that smell like goats, and haven't been washed in a month. :roll:

That dude with the shopping cart can wear whatever the hell he wants to. MrGeezer

If he has the strength. Most homeless people are in terrible health.

He doesn't have a curfew, he can still visit his family or merely chat it up with random people. MrGeezer

Curfew isn't the gamebreaker between prison life and homeless life. :lol: I doubt he cares about being able to sit freely in an alley at 3 AM, when he'd rather have a nice warm bed... and maybe a sandwich.. and maybe some teeth to chew that sandwich.

He can walk down the street as a free man, interact with you and I, and he probably has access to homeless shelters where he can clean himself up a little bit. MrGeezer

If all goes well. But most homeless people don't have it like this. Otherwise they wouldn't smell so bad. Some of them get kicked out of shelters too, for causing trouble, when most of the trouble they cause is rooted in their mental illness, and really isn't their fault. Not to mention, kicking them out doesn't make the situation any better.

He is FREE. He can live the way that HE wants to live. MrGeezer

What are you talking about? Free? Really? He's a prisoner of the street life!

As a homeless man your options might be more limited than someone with a house and a car, but you STILL get the freedom to choose how to live your life. MrGeezer

When you live on the street, your options for bettering your life are slim to none. Here you are talking about choices like it's some wonderland of opportunity.

I don't think you understand how terrible prison life is. I would choose being homeless over being in prison any day.

I can't afford the health care that I'd like to have. I can't afford to eat at fancy restaurants. And I'm not even homeless. MrGeezer

Cause you spend all your money on booze and cigarettes?

On the other hand, in a world where homeless people can afford to live their whole lives in a drunken stupor, it IS entirely within a homeless person's ability to better themselves. Booze is not cheap, I know. Tonight I had to break the piggybank for my booze money. And again, I'm not even homeless, and I can hold a job. If a homeless person WANTS to spend the little money they find on booze rather than a toothbrush and some toothpaste, then that was THEIR choice, and anyone with a home and a job is entirely capable of making choices that are equally as bad. Homeless people have a LOT of freedom in how to live their lives, what they do with their lives IS up to them.

MrGeezer

So you're saying money gives them choices? Then they don't have choices, because they have little to no money. Thanks for validating what I just said. :roll:

Here's a neat little exercise you can do. Go to the part of town where the homeless people live. Ask THEM if they would rather be homeless or in prison. My opinion doesn't count. Neither does yours. You're not homeless or in prison, and neither am I. Ask some people who really ARE homeless, and then come back here and tell me what they say.

MrGeezer

I've been homeless. I'd rather be in prison than on the street ever again. Good enough for you? Talk about a neat little exercise...

I don't think you understand how terrible prison life is. I would choose being homeless over being in prison any day.GTALoco

this is ur a-hole: o

this is ur a hole in prison: O

nuff said

And now you're NOT homeless.

How, pray tell, did that happen?

[QUOTE="GTALoco"]I don't think you understand how terrible prison life is. I would choose being homeless over being in prison any day.3-Legged_Man

Ever been to prison?