Proof of God(s)

Alright, I was just thinking, if God doesn't exist, how come religion is boundless when it comes to nationality? I'm talking about the language. Every single nationality has some refrences to some diety or god like characters. The thing im trying to say is, how come they all have these Gods yet at the time they were seperated by language and other technological means?

Small nations had gods large nations had gods, some in the west, some in the east in the north and the south, different languages but all refer to supernatural beings. Explanation?

It's human nature to try to explain everything, if you claim some higher power did it, there's your explanation.

Gods were used to explain the things that they couldn't understand. Nowadays the smart people use science. Simple.

Everybody has pondered what happens when you die and many people gave explanations based on that across the world. Not all of which are the same or closely related (yet there are some) Humans have known about death from the beginning so it's obvious we are bound to make up stories over it and try to give explanations towards it.

God, do you guys have any idea about christianity? I'm a god damn atheist and I know that the christian god is only coprehensible to the human mind via his actions. You can't coprehend god as a being. STOP TRYING. THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH SAYS IT.

Humans need answers, and "a big powerful guy did it" is the simplest answer you can get.

God, do you guys have any idea about christianity? I'm a god damn atheist and I know that the christian god is only coprehensible to the human mind via his actions. You can't coprehend god as a being. STOP TRYING. THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH SAYS IT.

medic36

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God, do you guys have any idea about christianity? I'm a god damn atheist and I know that the christian god is only coprehensible to the human mind via his actions. You can't coprehend god as a being. STOP TRYING. THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH SAYS IT.

Bluestorm-Kalas

Humans have a need to explain that which has not been explained, and "the invisible magician in the sky" is a pretty simple explanation.

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[QUOTE="medic36"]

God, do you guys have any idea about christianity? I'm a god damn atheist and I know that the christian god is only coprehensible to the human mind via his actions. You can't coprehend god as a being. STOP TRYING. THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH SAYS IT.

medic36

That still doesn't answer my question as to why you chose to bring the Christian God into this, when it was about religion in general, not just christianity.

very misleading thread title...but i didn't expect much coming in.

your theory would be more reasonable if every religion around the world was at least similar...but many just aren't.

[QUOTE="medic36"][QUOTE="Bluestorm-Kalas"] Tell me when this thread became soley about Christianity? :|

Bluestorm-Kalas

That still doesn't answer my question as to why you chose to bring the Christian God into this, when it was about religion in general, not just christianity.

Humans need answers, and "a big powerful guy did it" is the simplest answer you can get.

GabuEx

It's human nature to try to explain everything, if you claim some higher power did it, there's your explanation.

Bloodaxe726

Humans need answers, and "a big powerful guy did it" is the simplest answer you can get.

GabuEx

The same thing could be said for many things, from 'music, song & dancing' to 'legends of Vampires'!!

The similarities of cultures across the globe (even without interactions) far outweigh the differences.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

Humans need answers, and "a big powerful guy did it" is the simplest answer you can get.

medic36

I contend that it is precisely as simple as that as far as the origins of belief in some form of god or gods; the rest is societal propagation of ideas and the natural evolution thereof with each passing generation. This isn't saying that there doesn't exist some kind of supernatural entity; this is just saying that a desire to understand the unknown was the original impetus that generated a belief in some kind of a supernatural creator.

It probably started with the sun, way way back, people worshipped the sun. Bringer of life and warmth in the summer, bringer of death and cold in winter.
That might have evolved in the belief of other gods.

Gods were used to explain the things that they couldn't understand. Nowadays the smart people use science. Simple.

Bluestorm-Kalas

QFT

It's human nature to try to explain everything, if you claim some higher power did it, there's your explanation.

Bloodaxe726

Or you could ask: what if God is a personification of the human experience and more representative of psychological systems in the brain and humanistic tendencies that have been modified by different cultural norms and specific individuals thoughts over the centuries? Then you wouldn't have to prove a man in sky who cares nothing about the actions of humans exists, but merely that humans exist.

You only need to look at yourself to prove that an intelligent designer (aka God) exists. Atheists like to think that science and knowledge disprove the existence of God. This cannot be further from the truth.

You only need to look at yourself to prove that an intelligent designer (aka God) exists. Atheists like to think that science and knowledge disprove the existence of God. This cannot be further from the truth.

SpinoRaptor24

Gods were used to explain the things that they couldn't understand.

Bluestorm-Kalas

Pretty much what I was going to say.

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You only need to look at yourself to prove that an intelligent designer (aka God) exists. Atheists like to think that science and knowledge disprove the existence of God. This cannot be further from the truth.

foxhound_fox

Really now? Absolutely nothing?

The most simplest form of life, most primitive forms of life, bacteria, are incredibly complex, much too complex to have arisen by chance.

I assure you, I am dead serious.

Really now? Absolutely nothing?

The most simplest form of life, most primitive forms of life, bacteria, are incredibly complex, much too complex to have arisen by chance.

I assure you, I am dead serious.

SpinoRaptor24

The most simplest form of life, most primitive forms of life, bacteria, are incredibly complex, much too complex to have arisen by chance.

SpinoRaptor24

If you're mounting a form of the "10 to the power of however much" argument, that rests on the fatal assumption that life as we know it could only have come together all at once as it exists today from nothing. That is, of course, not how it works; it would have come together gradually over time. The simplest form of life to have ever existed probably does not exist today on Earth, given that what we have today is better fit in evolutionary terms; hence, it went extinct. One should not assume that the simplest form of life in existence today is the simplest form of life to have ever existed, as this is clearly not true. This video can explain the prevailing thought on how life likely formed much better than I, so I will refer you to it for more details.

Furthermore, proponents of intelligent design must necessarily accept the assertion that everything in a creature is specifically designed to be functional, which is a problem, as then one must answer questions such as these:

- Why do we have toenails?

- Why do we have a tailbone - the exact same structure as the one found in chimpanzees - but no tail?

- Why do we breathe with the same orifice that we use to eat?

- Why can we not synthesize vitamin C, when almost all other creatures can? Synthesis of vitamin C requires four enzymes; we have three of them, but the gene to produce the fourth in humans is defective and nonfunctional. Why would this intelligent designer give us a defective gene for the synthesis of a vital nutrient?

- For that matter, why is this defective gene present in all members of the simian suborder Anthripoidea, which includes humans?

- And furthermore, why is the vast majority of our DNA nonfunctional?

I mean no offense, but I feel as though people who look at humans and see evidence of intelligent design really do not know what they are looking at. Those who see perfection quite simply are not well-learned enough to see the vast array of imperfections. We bear all the hallmarks of a vast, long lineage of evolutionary change that has left us evolutionarily fit, but with a considerable amount of excess baggage from our distant ancestors that serves no real purpose other than to bear witness to our evolutionary heritage.

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You only need to look at yourself to prove that an intelligent designer (aka God) exists. Atheists like to think that science and knowledge disprove the existence of God. This cannot be further from the truth.

SpinoRaptor24

Really now? Absolutely nothing?

The most simplest form of life, most primitive forms of life, bacteria, are incredibly complex, much too complex to have arisen by chance.

I assure you, I am dead serious.

No one worth listening to claims complex life forms emerged by chance. Natural selection is the key.

This thread has provided Lulz...Thank You.

@ Fox and Gabe

As I am currently doing much more research on Evolution, comparative religions/God etc my answers may seem uninformed and I apologise if they do.

Most of these imperfections (albeit Vitamin C) do not hamper our functions in any significant way. As far as I know, tail bones serve as a support structure for muscles and acts as a shock absorber when sitting. Toenails protect sensitive skin that is under them. I could go deeper or so. However, these questions don't hold much water, as I can easily say that if our bodies got rid of unneeded structures such as hair/tails/precision grip on our feet as we evolved from inferior life, then you might ask yourself why it didn't get rid of toenails/tailbone/Genetic junk etc. Surely they must serve a purpose if the body didn't get rid of them. We certainly didn't get rid of our eyes, ears, mouth etc. since they do have a function.

Thank you for succinctly demonstrating you do not understand evolution by referring to it as "chance".

No one worth listening to claims complex life forms emerged by chance. Natural selection is the key.

Danm_999

I never stated evolution is related to chance. I know quite well that evolution does not explain the origins of life.

Natural selection does not form speciation. If it did, we humans would not be able to breed with other humans halfway across the world, yet we can. Eskimos would have grown fur to protect themselves from the cold, yet they're just as hairless as everyone else.

. If it did, we humans would not be able to breed with other humans halfway across the world, yet we can. Eskimos would have grown fur to protect themselves from the cold, yet they're just as hairless as everyone else.

SpinoRaptor24

It takes millions of years to evolve. Humans as a species have only been divergent geographically one hundred thousand years at best.

As I am currently doing much more research on Evolution, comparative religions/God etc SpinoRaptor24

[QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]. If it did, we humans would not be able to breed with other humans halfway across the world, yet we can. Eskimos would have grown fur to protect themselves from the cold, yet they're just as hairless as everyone else.

Danm_999

It takes millions of years to evolve. Humans as a species have only been divergent geographically one hundred thousand years at best.

Yet we see species that have remained the same for millions of years. No signs of evolution on them whatsoever. The Coelacanth is a good example.

[QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]As I am currently doing much more research on Evolution, comparative religions/God etc foxhound_fox

Ah thank you. I will watch them over the following week or so.

Yet we see species that have remained the same for millions of years. No signs of evolution on them whatsoever. The Coelacanth is a good example.

SpinoRaptor24

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[QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]. If it did, we humans would not be able to breed with other humans halfway across the world, yet we can. Eskimos would have grown fur to protect themselves from the cold, yet they're just as hairless as everyone else.

SpinoRaptor24

It takes millions of years to evolve. Humans as a species have only been divergent geographically one hundred thousand years at best.

Yet we see species that have remained the same for millions of years. No signs of evolution on them whatsoever. The Coelacanth is a good example.

Coleacanth fossils demonstrate evidence of evolution. Fossils have been discovered with remnants of leg like structures.

It's human nature to try to explain everything, if you claim some higher power did it, there's your explanation.

Bloodaxe726

Back then, establishing a state religion was a good way of controlling the populace. There would have been some push from the governments of the time to use these sorts of things to consolidate their power bases and give themselves a moral upper-hand over their opponents.

@ Fox and Gabe

As I am currently doing much more research on Evolution, comparative religions/God etc my answers may seem uninformed and I apologise if they do.

Most of these imperfections (albeit Vitamin C) do not hamper our functions in any significant way. As far as I know, tail bones serve as a support structure for muscles and acts as a shock absorber when sitting. Toenails protect sensitive skin that is under them. I could go deeper or so. However, these questions don't hold much water, as I can easily say that if our bodies got rid of unneeded structures such as hair/tails/precision grip on our feet as we evolved from inferior life, then you might ask yourself why it didn't get rid of toenails/tailbone/Genetic junk etc. Surely they must serve a purpose if the body didn't get rid of them. We certainly didn't get rid of our eyes, ears, mouth etc. since they do have a function.

SpinoRaptor24

But you're dodging the question. You assert that we are created by an intelligent designer. Yet that means you must accept the idea that this intelligent designer gave us three enzymes for which to synthesize vitamin C and then a broken gene that, if functional, would give us that fourth enzyme. That we are able to function without synthesizing vitamin C is not the point. The point is that many people suffered or even died from scurvy on account of the fact that they could not naturally synthesize vitamin C. If we truly are intelligently designed, then why in the world would we have three of four enzymes to synthesize vitamin C and a broken gene that would induce production of the fourth? If this intelligent designer purposefully did not want us to be able to synthesize vitamin C, why would we have that? And if we were supposed to be able to synthesize vitamin C, then what happened to that gene for the fourth enzyme?

Same thing with the tailbone. Yes, it's not nonfunctional in our bodies. But, again, that's not the point. The point is that it is a tailbone, whose purpose in the chimpanzee is to support their tail. We have the exact same tailbone as chimpanzees do, yet unlike the chimpanzee, we have no tail. Why would this intelligent designer have given us the exact same skeletal feature as chimpanzees have, yet not give us a tail for it to support? Did the store where he was buying skeletons have a 2-for-1 deal on tailbones? Why not give us a skeletal structure that is uniquely our own and which is designed specifically for our bodies?

The fact that something is present in our bodies or our DNA is not proof that it is functional or needed. Evolution only selects the traits that enable animals to better survive and reproduce; it does not optimize animals. The reason why we have not gotten rid of junk DNA is because it does not affect our ability to survive and reproduce, so there is no evolutionary benefit in doing so. Same thing with toenails and the tailbone. They do not impede our ability to survive and reproduce; hence, there is no evolutionary benefit in their removal. They are all benign remnants of our evolutionary ancestors.

Natural selection does not form speciation. If it did, we humans would not be able to breed with other humans halfway across the world, yet we can. Eskimos would have grown fur to protect themselves from the cold, yet they're just as hairless as everyone else.

SpinoRaptor24

Speciation from natural selection not only is possible, it has been observed. See here for an example. The reason why Eskimos have not grown fur is because humans are resourceful, and can create their own "fur" that enables them to live in frigid temperatures. Animals that voluntarily go to a location where they can survive thanks to their tools are worlds apart from animals that are put in two different environments and left to either adapt or die.

Those are some compelling arguments indeed.

Who knows? Like I said I am doing more research myself. Maybe I will someday discover the answer.

Hopefully.

Those are some compelling arguments indeed.

Who knows? Like I said I am doing more research myself. Maybe I will someday discover the answer.

Hopefully.

SpinoRaptor24

Well, if you'd like to talk more on the subject, feel free to PM me - it's one of my favorite subjects, so I'm always happy to talk about it.

Alright, I was just thinking, if God doesn't exist, how come religion is boundless when it comes to nationality? I'm talking about the language. Every single nationality has some refrences to some diety or god like characters. The thing im trying to say is, how come they all have these Gods yet at the time they were seperated by language and other technological means?

Small nations had gods large nations had gods, some in the west, some in the east in the north and the south, different languages but all refer to supernatural beings. Explanation?

JJ_Productions

But, because humans are sinful, large numbers began to abandon the God of Creation and began to worship the Creation rather than the Creator, and became pagans and idolaters. ZCatan

So...why do Christians worship Jesus then? And what did they worship before Jesus was created? :?

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Those are some compelling arguments indeed.

Who knows? Like I said I am doing more research myself. Maybe I will someday discover the answer.

Hopefully.

GabuEx

Well, if you'd like to talk more on the subject, feel free to PM me - it's one of my favorite subjects, so I'm always happy to talk about it.

Thank you :)

Even if I wasn't sure I still would believe, better than this.

Even if I wasn't sure I still would believe, better than this.

*pic*

CHOASXIII

Even if I wasn't sure I still would believe, better than this.

CHOASXIII

Wouldn't it be more like this

As they believe in nothingness after death.

They would not get the luxury of a stool or white box.:P

Even if I wasn't sure I still would believe, better than this.CHOASXIII

Why would you feign belief in something you did not truely believe in?