*PROOF* The TRUTH about our world.

The truth of the world: We are actually in the fifth age of man. The fourth age ended thousands of years ago with the inevitable collapse of Middle Earth. Many races died out, with some journeying to a land with out death and the rest being conquered by man. This is true an I have supporting evidence to follow.

The third age of man was born when a certain collection of rings was created, supported by this series of evidence:
"Three Rings for the Elven-kings under the sky," (Lord of The Rings, Vol 1, p.VI)
As you can see, three rings were created for all of the Elven kings living on Middle Earth.

"Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone," (Lord of The Rings, Vol 1, p.VI)
We know now after much research that "halls of stone" referred to the Dwarf's underground dwellings, and we can assume that the Dwarf's were more numerous than the Elves during the Third Age because of the increased number of rings received.

"Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die," (Lord of The Rings, Vol 1, p.VI)
These are our ancestors, the only existing race from the times of Middle Earth. We can also assume using logic present in the previous paragraph that Humans numbered more than the Dwarfs and Elves.

"One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne" (Lord of The Rings, Vol 1, p.VI)
We know through common language that dark is often synonymous with evil an so we can ascertain that the "dark" lord was an evil lord.

We know that a race of humanoids existed that were referred to as "Hobbits". They were a smaller species in the Homo genus, but studies of the first volume of the Lord Of The Rings suggests that they were actually the same species as ours, or at the very least, able to breed with our own: "Hobbits are an unobtrusive but very ancient people, more numerous formerly than they are today,".(Lord of The Rings, Vol.1, p.1) The quote states that Hobbit numbers have dwindled , which some scientists speculate to mean that Hobbits were able to breed with Homo Sapiens and thus mold in with our society, as no specific "Hobbit" genes have been found within the Human Genome. Some people have put forward the idea that short people share a common gene with their Hobbit ancestors but no proof of this has been found.

We have learned through careful study that all the rings were lost save for one, given to the dark lord Sauron. This was lost in a war, and was only found by Bilbo Baggins quite later in its life. Gandalf speaks to Bilbo and tells him that "this is the One Ring that he lost many ages ago," (Lord of The Rings, Vol 1, p.67)

We know that we are in the Fifth age of Man, this being found through a sentence on the topic of Hobbit history mentions the part the Hobbits played "At the end of the Third Age,"(Lord of The Rings, Vol.1, p.19). This was referred to in the past tense so we can assume that The Lord of The Rings takes place in the Fourth age of man, as no mention of events signifying the end of the Fourth Age. Since we modern Homo Sapiens regard ourselves as being in a new age then we see that we are in the Fifth age.

Much of our knowledge comes from Elrond, an elf who has "seen three ages in the West of the world," (Lord of The Rings, Vol.1, p.318). This is also supporting evidence to our theory that we are in the Fifth age.

The rings themselves were forged "in the Second Age of the world,"(Lord of The Rings, Vol.1, p.317). After the rings were forged and Sauron took up arms against man and "forged secretly in the Mountain of Fire the One Ring,"(Lord of The Rings, Vol.1, p.317). We know that the War of the Ring signified the beginning of the Third Age, and the clash of the Five Armies signified the beginning of the Fourth Age.

More evidence and discovery to follow, I just need a break.

And to all of you saying I can't quote The Lord of The Rings as if it were fact, what is different between the Lord of The Rings and the Bible?

Both were:
1.Written by man
2.Science Fiction
3.Had crazy, unrealistic ideas
4.Had many events that seem impossible

In fact, Lord of The Rings has more support than the Bible as many of its stories are much more detailed and well documented.

EDIT: Bolded quotes

Instead of Lord of the Rings...You should have used a science fiction writer with an actual religious following...L. Ron Hubbard.spazzx625

Does that mean Lord of the Rings is a religion. Wait, who would be the deity then? This is so confusing :?.

So... either you're trying to convince everyone that The Lord of The Rings is an accurate description of our history, or you're using satire to criticize the lavish claims made by The Bible. Interesting :PManiacc1

Praise Sauron! The eye that sees all!

The Bible and the Lord of the Rings are very different. For example, one was written about 70 years ago, the other was written a few thousand years ago. I'd say that seperates the two...

The Bible and the Lord of the Rings are very different. For example, one was written about 70 years ago, the other was written a few thousand years ago. I'd say that seperates the two...

Darth_Tyrev

Does this mean Gollum is actually the messiah?

Tom Bombadil's still just a weird paedo who lives in the woods though, right?

The Bible and the Lord of the Rings are very different. For example, one was written about 70 years ago, the other was written a few thousand years ago. I'd say that seperates the two...

Darth_Tyrev

Lord of the Rings is 100% fiction. While the Bible is mostly stories that appear fictional, it does have historical value... a lot more than the Lord of the Rings at least.Moroes

[QUOTE="spazzx625"]Instead of Lord of the Rings...You should have used a science fiction writer with an actual religious following...L. Ron Hubbard.zombiefruit

You'd be surprised. Battlefield: Earth, the novel, was a pretty good read, to be honest.

Instead of Lord of the Rings...You should have used a science fiction writer with an actual religious following...L. Ron Hubbard.spazzx625

[QUOTE="zombiefruit"][QUOTE="spazzx625"]Instead of Lord of the Rings...You should have used a science fiction writer with an actual religious following...L. Ron Hubbard.tycoonmike

You'd be surprised. Battlefield: Earth, the novel, was a pretty good read, to be honest.

[QUOTE="Moroes"]Lord of the Rings is 100% fiction. While the Bible is mostly stories that appear fictional, it does have historical value... a lot more than the Lord of the Rings at least.zombiefruit

lol.

[QUOTE="tycoonmike"]

[QUOTE="zombiefruit"] I don't have any of his books..:( Wait a sec, that should be a :)zombiefruit

You'd be surprised. Battlefield: Earth, the novel, was a pretty good read, to be honest.

So then, by saying I liked the novel, I am associated with the Scientologists? I guess that means people who read the Bible are considered Christians or the Bhagavad Gita, Hindus?

[QUOTE="zombiefruit"][QUOTE="tycoonmike"]

You'd be surprised. Battlefield: Earth, the novel, was a pretty good read, to be honest.

tycoonmike

So then, by saying I liked the novel, I am associated with the Scientologists? I guess that means people who read the Bible are considered Christians or the Bhagavad Gita, Hindus?

So basically, why do people believe in the bible but not in the Lord Of The Rings stories? ... maybe because the author said that his books were fiction and the "author" of the bible didn't say that. And maybe also because there are at least some proof of the existence of some of the countries and people mentioned in the bible.Hungry_bunny

Your soul will burn in hellfire for all of eternity if you deny the existence of Gandalf you infidel!!

[QUOTE="Hungry_bunny"]So basically, why do people believe in the bible but not in the Lord Of The Rings stories? ... maybe because the author said that his books were fiction and the "author" of the bible didn't say that. And maybe also because there are at least some proof of the existence of some of the countries and people mentioned in the bible.FlyingArmbar

Your soul will burn in hellfire for all of eternity if you deny the existence of Gandalf you infidel!!

Good one. :P

The simple fact that the "earth" in LOTR is ver different that the one we live in and we know, Middle Earh has nothing in common with Pangea. (Geographically speaking)

Does this mean Gollum is actually the messiah?

Tom Bombadil's still just a weird paedo who lives in the woods though, right?

bogaty

The simple fact that the "earth" in LOTR is ver different that the one we live in and we know, Middle Earth has nothing in common with Pangea. (Geographically speaking)

darkguy_101

huh?

[QUOTE="Hungry_bunny"]So basically, why do people believe in the bible but not in the Lord Of The Rings stories? ... maybe because the author said that his books were fiction and the "author" of the bible didn't say that. And maybe also because there are at least some proof of the existence of some of the countries and people mentioned in the bible.FlyingArmbar

Your soul will burn in hellfire for all of eternity if you deny the existence of Gandalf you infidel!!

[QUOTE="darkguy_101"]

The simple fact that the "earth" in LOTR is ver different that the one we live in and we know, Middle Earth has nothing in common with Pangea. (Geographically speaking)

DrinkDuff

[QUOTE="DrinkDuff"][QUOTE="darkguy_101"]

The simple fact that the "earth" in LOTR is ver different that the one we live in and we know, Middle Earth has nothing in common with Pangea. (Geographically speaking)

zombiefruit

[QUOTE="zombiefruit"][QUOTE="DrinkDuff"]That's because the dark lord Sauron spread the lies of the geography and destroyed the maps and documents of real earth geography to confuse man. All that is left show the fake "middle earth" geography.DrinkDuff

The truth of the world: We are actually in the fifth age of man. The fourth age ended thousands of years ago with the inevitable collapse of Middle Earth. Many races died out, with some journeying to a land with out death and the rest being conquered by man. This is true an I have supporting evidence to follow.

The third age of man was born when a certain collection of rings was created, supported by this series of evidence:
"Three Rings for the Elven-kings under the sky," (Lord of The Rings, Vol 1, p.VI)
As you can see, three rings were created for all of the Elven kings living on Middle Earth.

"Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone," (Lord of The Rings, Vol 1, p.VI)
We know now after much research that "halls of stone" referred to the Dwarf's underground dwellings, and we can assume that the Dwarf's were more numerous than the Elves during the Third Age because of the increased number of rings received.

"Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die," (Lord of The Rings, Vol 1, p.VI)
These are our ancestors, the only existing race from the times of Middle Earth. We can also assume using logic present in the previous paragraph that Humans numbered more than the Dwarfs and Elves.

"One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne" (Lord of The Rings, Vol 1, p.VI)
We know through common language that dark is often synonymous with evil an so we can ascertain that the "dark" lord was an evil lord.

We know that a race of humanoids existed that were referred to as "Hobbits". They were a smaller species in the Homo genus, but studies of the first volume of the Lord Of The Rings suggests that they were actually the same species as ours, or at the very least, able to breed with our own: "Hobbits are an unobtrusive but very ancient people, more numerous formerly than they are today,".(Lord of The Rings, Vol.1, p.1) The quote states that Hobbit numbers have dwindled , which some scientists speculate to mean that Hobbits were able to breed with Homo Sapiens and thus mold in with our society, as no specific "Hobbit" genes have been found within the Human Genome. Some people have put forward the idea that short people share a common gene with their Hobbit ancestors but no proof of this has been found.

We have learned through careful study that all the rings were lost save for one, given to the dark lord Sauron. This was lost in a war, and was only found by Bilbo Baggins quite later in its life. Gandalf speaks to Bilbo and tells him that "this is the One Ring that he lost many ages ago," (Lord of The Rings, Vol 1, p.67)

We know that we are in the Fifth age of Man, this being found through a sentence on the topic of Hobbit history mentions the part the Hobbits played "At the end of the Third Age,"(Lord of The Rings, Vol.1, p.19). This was referred to in the past tense so we can assume that The Lord of The Rings takes place in the Fourth age of man, as no mention of events signifying the end of the Fourth Age. Since we modern Homo Sapiens regard ourselves as being in a new age then we see that we are in the Fifth age.

Much of our knowledge comes from Elrond, an elf who has "seen three ages in the West of the world," (Lord of The Rings, Vol.1, p.318). This is also supporting evidence to our theory that we are in the Fifth age.

The rings themselves were forged "in the Second Age of the world,"(Lord of The Rings, Vol.1, p.317). After the rings were forged and Sauron took up arms against man and "forged secretly in the Mountain of Fire the One Ring,"(Lord of The Rings, Vol.1, p.317). We know that the War of the Ring signified the beginning of the Third Age, and the clash of the Five Armies signified the beginning of the Fourth Age.

More evidence and discovery to follow, I just need a break.

And to all of you saying I can't quote The Lord of The Rings as if it were fact, what is different between the Lord of The Rings and the Bible?

Both were:
1.Written by man
2.Science Fiction
3.Had crazy, unrealistic ideas
4.Had many events that seem impossible

In fact, Lord of The Rings has more support than the Bible as many of its stories are much more detailed and well documented.

EDIT: Bolded quotes

zombiefruit

It describes the west, and possibly the middle east, but not Asia.

Does that mean Lord of the Rings is a religion. Wait, who would be the deity then? This is so confusing :?.

Moroes

[QUOTE="zombiefruit"]

The truth of the world: We are actually in the fifth age of man. The fourth age ended thousands of years ago with the inevitable collapse of Middle Earth. Many races died out, with some journeying to a land with out death and the rest being conquered by man. This is true an I have supporting evidence to follow.

The third age of man was born when a certain collection of rings was created, supported by this series of evidence:
"Three Rings for the Elven-kings under the sky," (Lord of The Rings, Vol 1, p.VI)
As you can see, three rings were created for all of the Elven kings living on Middle Earth.

"Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone," (Lord of The Rings, Vol 1, p.VI)
We know now after much research that "halls of stone" referred to the Dwarf's underground dwellings, and we can assume that the Dwarf's were more numerous than the Elves during the Third Age because of the increased number of rings received.

"Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die," (Lord of The Rings, Vol 1, p.VI)
These are our ancestors, the only existing race from the times of Middle Earth. We can also assume using logic present in the previous paragraph that Humans numbered more than the Dwarfs and Elves.

"One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne" (Lord of The Rings, Vol 1, p.VI)
We know through common language that dark is often synonymous with evil an so we can ascertain that the "dark" lord was an evil lord.

We know that a race of humanoids existed that were referred to as "Hobbits". They were a smaller species in the Homo genus, but studies of the first volume of the Lord Of The Rings suggests that they were actually the same species as ours, or at the very least, able to breed with our own: "Hobbits are an unobtrusive but very ancient people, more numerous formerly than they are today,".(Lord of The Rings, Vol.1, p.1) The quote states that Hobbit numbers have dwindled , which some scientists speculate to mean that Hobbits were able to breed with Homo Sapiens and thus mold in with our society, as no specific "Hobbit" genes have been found within the Human Genome. Some people have put forward the idea that short people share a common gene with their Hobbit ancestors but no proof of this has been found.

We have learned through careful study that all the rings were lost save for one, given to the dark lord Sauron. This was lost in a war, and was only found by Bilbo Baggins quite later in its life. Gandalf speaks to Bilbo and tells him that "this is the One Ring that he lost many ages ago," (Lord of The Rings, Vol 1, p.67)

We know that we are in the Fifth age of Man, this being found through a sentence on the topic of Hobbit history mentions the part the Hobbits played "At the end of the Third Age,"(Lord of The Rings, Vol.1, p.19). This was referred to in the past tense so we can assume that The Lord of The Rings takes place in the Fourth age of man, as no mention of events signifying the end of the Fourth Age. Since we modern Homo Sapiens regard ourselves as being in a new age then we see that we are in the Fifth age.

Much of our knowledge comes from Elrond, an elf who has "seen three ages in the West of the world," (Lord of The Rings, Vol.1, p.318). This is also supporting evidence to our theory that we are in the Fifth age.

The rings themselves were forged "in the Second Age of the world,"(Lord of The Rings, Vol.1, p.317). After the rings were forged and Sauron took up arms against man and "forged secretly in the Mountain of Fire the One Ring,"(Lord of The Rings, Vol.1, p.317). We know that the War of the Ring signified the beginning of the Third Age, and the clash of the Five Armies signified the beginning of the Fourth Age.

More evidence and discovery to follow, I just need a break.

And to all of you saying I can't quote The Lord of The Rings as if it were fact, what is different between the Lord of The Rings and the Bible?

Both were:
1.Written by man
2.Science Fiction
3.Had crazy, unrealistic ideas
4.Had many events that seem impossible

In fact, Lord of The Rings has more support than the Bible as many of its stories are much more detailed and well documented.

EDIT: Bolded quotes

Makemap

It describes the west, and possibly the middle east, but not Asia.

Uh oh. Wrong. You forgot about the Easterlings. While not prominent in the book, it does talk about them quite a bit.

[QUOTE="Moroes"]

Does that mean Lord of the Rings is a religion. Wait, who would be the deity then? This is so confusing :?.

MFaraz_Hayat

[QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"][QUOTE="Moroes"]

Does that mean Lord of the Rings is a religion. Wait, who would be the deity then? This is so confusing :?.

zombiefruit

Lol, some one might have figured it out.

http://www.tuckborough.net/rhun.htmlThe Years of the Trees:

1050
The first Elves awake at Cuivienen in far eastern Middle-earth.

1105
Many of the Elves begin the Great Journey westward from Cuivienen to the Undying Lands, but some remain in the East.

First Age:

1
Men awake in Hildorien in far eastern Middle-earth. Some migrate westward while others remained in the East and become known as the Easterlings.

463
Easterlings come to Beleriand. The Easterling chieftains Ulfang and Bor form an alliance with the Elves.

472
The Battle of Unnumbered Tears. Ulfang the Easterling betrays the Elves, leading to their defeat.

488
Tuor is captured by Lorgan, the chieftain of the Easterlings of Hithlum.

491
Tuor escapes captivity.

c. 496
Brodda the Easterling is killed by Turin.

545-587
Some Easterlings fight for Morgoth in the War of Wrath.

590
Morgoth is banished from the world. End of the First Age.

Second Age:

c. 1000
Sauron establishes his realm in Mordor on the borders of Rhun.

c. 1800
Sauron extends his power eastward.

2251
The Nazgul appear around this time. One of them is Khamul the Easterling.

3434 - 3441
Easterlings fight for Sauron in the War of the Last Alliance. Sauron is defeated and the One Ring is taken from him. His spirit flees into the East. End of the Second Age.

Third Age:

490
Easterlings attack Gondor for the first time.

500
The Easterlings are defeated by Romendacil I of Gondor.

541
The Easterlings resume their attack, and Romendacil I is killed. His son Turambar defeats the Easterlings and expands Gondor's territory east of the Anduin.

c. 1000
The Wizards arrive in Middle-earth. The Blue Wizards travel to Rhun to try to free the Easterlings from Sauron's influence. Saruman accompanies them but soon returns to western Middle-earth.

1050
Sauron leaves Rhun for Dol Guldur in Mirkwood but his influence remains among the Easterlings.

1248
Romendacil II defeats a large army of Easterlings.

1635 - 1636
The Great Plague spreads from the East across Middle-earth.

1851
The Wainriders come from Rhun and attack the Northmen in Wilderland.

1856
The Wainriders defeat the forces of Gondor in the Battle of the Plains and King Narmacil II of Gondor is killed.

1899
The Wainriders' plan to invade Calenardhon is thwarted by King Calimehtar of Gondor and they are defeated on Dagorlad.

1944
The Wainriders join forces with the Men of Khand and Harad and launch an attack on Gondor on two fronts. King Ondoher of Gondor and both his sons are killed. Earnil of Gondor defeats the Haradrim and then surprises the Wainriders at the Battle of the Camp. The Wainriders are defeated and driven into the Dead Marshes.

2063
Sauron leaves Dol Guldur to escape discovery by Gandalf and hides in Rhun. The Watchful Peace begins.

2460
Sauron leaves Rhun and returns to Dol Guldur. End of the Watchful Peace.

2510
The Balchoth from Rhun cross the Anduin into Calenardhon. They are defeated in the Battle of the Field of Celebrant by the Eotheod led by Eorl and the Gondorians led by Cirion. Calenardhon is given to the Eotheod and it becomes Rohan.

2545
Easterlings invade the Wold of Rohan. Eorl is killed. His son Brego drives out the Easterlings.

2758
Easterlings invade Rohan from the east while Dunlendings invade Rohan from the west. The Long Winter begins.

2759
The Long Winter ends. In the spring thaw, there is great flooding around the Mouths of the Entwash. Many Easterlings perish and the rest retreat. Frealaf drives out the Dunlendings.

2957 - 2980
Aragorn travels throughout Middle-earth including Rhun where he learns about the Easterlings and Sauron's plans.

3018

June 20: Sauron launches an attack on Osgiliath with an army that includes Easterlings. The War of the Ring begins.

3019

March 5: Frodo Baggins sees an army of Easterlings enter Mordor.
March 10: An army of Easterlings and Orcs capture Cair Andros and enter Anorien. They block the Great West Road to try to prevent the Rohirrim from coming to Minas Tirith.
March 15: Easterlings fight in the Battle of the Pelennor Fields and are among the last of Sauron's forces to be defeated. In the north, Easterlings attack Dale and the Lonely Mountain.
March 17: The Men of Dale and the Dwarves of the Lonely Mountain are besieged by Easterlings.
March 21: Easterlings and Orcs try to ambush the Host of the West in Ithilien but are defeated.
March 25: Easterlings fight in the Battle of the Morannon. The One Ring is destroyed and Sauron is vanquished. Some Easterlings flee, others surrender, and others continue fighting until they are defeated.
March 27: The siege of the Lonely Mountain is broken and the Easterlings are driven away.

May 1: Aragorn becomes King of the Reunited Kingdom of Gondor and Arnor. Afterwards he pardons the Easterlings who surrendered and receives ambassadors from Rhun.

Fourth Age:

Some Easterlings remain enemies of the Men of western Middle-earth, and Aragorn and King Eomer of Rohan ride to Rhun to subdue them.

Could be the fourth age lost it's history.

People the bible does not exist why would we want to believe in it. It is just one book that contains stories.

[QUOTE="Moroes"]Lord of the Rings is 100% fiction. While the Bible is mostly stories that appear fictional, it does have historical value... a lot more than the Lord of the Rings at least.zombiefruit

[QUOTE="Moroes"]

Does that mean Lord of the Rings is a religion. Wait, who would be the deity then? This is so confusing :?.

MFaraz_Hayat

People the bible does not exist why would we want to believe in it. It is just one book that contains stories.

SSBFan12

[QUOTE="Moroes"][QUOTE="SSBFan12"]

People the bible does not exist why would we want to believe in it. It is just one book that contains stories.

zombiefruit

....

....

....this convsersation is really starting to confuse me... :|

screw LOTR, the star wars universe is much more likely to exist, there's multitudes of evidence. one bible? screw that, there's 40 million star wars bibles, books, graphic novels, etc, with all mostly corraborating evidence. not only that, we have a few hours of film footage of this evidence.. "in a galaxy far far away" there's clear evidence all around the world in these tapes of jabba the hutt, guido, and death stars existing, and the force. when's the last time we saw credible film footage of jesus reviving the dead?

Instead of Lord of the Rings...You should have used a science fiction writer with an actual religious following...L. Ron Hubbard.spazzx625