Protect Israel?

I hear lots of Politicians say how the world must protect Israel. Like I am not against Israel or anythign but they were invaded by basically the entire western half of the middle east and win *multible* times.

I don't think they really need much protecting, support yes, protection... not really. What do you think?

I think that we need to stop policing the world and start focusing on our own country.RenegadePatriot

I am not just focusing on American politicians, I mean I have heard this from a very large numbe of politicians outside the US too, mostly in Europe.

u must not get it Jews have high power in america thus if anybody hurts isreal america will interviene

Iraq has always hated Isreal thus wee took them out

Iran also hates Isreal and lets just say were not buddies with Iran

see the picture here

[QUOTE="RenegadePatriot"]I think that we need to stop policing the world and start focusing on our own country.KaptainKernal

I am not just focusing on American politicians, I mean I have heard this from a very large numbe of politicians outside the US too, mostly in Europe.

[QUOTE="Norg"]

u must not get it Jews have high power in america thus if anybody hurts isreal america will interviene

Iraq has always hated Isreal thus wee took them out

Iran also hates Isreal and lets just say were not buddies with Iran

see the picture here

R-Dot-Yung

Im sorry but what kind of crap is that...

"Jews have high power"

I forgot, there are no wealthy Christians, Blacks, Muslims, Indians, Hindus, Christians, Christians, Christians...

Not every Jew is a millionare with high power and connections, man

Your right not everyone but some do

plus i know what iam talking about ask the germans about the Jewish Race and how they lost WW2 because of them

u must not get it Jews have high power in america thus if anybody hurts isreal america will interviene

Iraq has always hated Isreal thus wee took them out

Iran also hates Isreal and lets just say were not buddies with Iran

see the picture here

Norg

paranoid much?

We are not really buddies with anyone in the middle east, and while our support of Israel contributes to this, then by your logic, Jordon, Syria, Egypt, and Lebanon shouldn't be around anymore. I don't think the Iraq - Israel relations really contributed to why we invaded Iraq. Like Saddam was never really that religious to begin with.

[QUOTE="Norg"]

u must not get it Jews have high power in america thus if anybody hurts isreal america will interviene

Iraq has always hated Isreal thus wee took them out

Iran also hates Isreal and lets just say were not buddies with Iran

see the picture here

KaptainKernal

paranoid much?

We are not really buddies with anyone in the middle east, and while our support of Israel contributes to this, then by your logic, Jordon, Syria, Egypt, and Lebanon shouldn't be around anymore. I don't think the Iraq - Israel relations really contributed to why we invaded Iraq. Like Saddam was never really that religious to begin with.

Its true man but the higher powers will not admit it

Heck we even threated to invade syria like a few ago just becasue they where sending syrian fighters into iraq to fight america

that just shows u how bad we are itching to take them out

[QUOTE="Norg"]

u must not get it Jews have high power in america thus if anybody hurts isreal america will interviene

Iraq has always hated Isreal thus wee took them out

Iran also hates Isreal and lets just say were not buddies with Iran

see the picture here

KaptainKernal

paranoid much?

We are not really buddies with anyone in the middle east, and while our support of Israel contributes to this, then by your logic, Jordon, Syria, Egypt, and Lebanon shouldn't be around anymore. I don't think the Iraq - Israel relations really contributed to why we invaded Iraq. Like Saddam was never really that religious to begin with.

P.S Germany lost WW2, because Hitler was an arogant ass who liked to play general and ignore his real tacicians... but that is beside the point. How would the Jews contribute to Germany loosing WW2... The Nazis were slaughtering Jewish people by the millions. :?

[QUOTE="KaptainKernal"][QUOTE="Norg"]

u must not get it Jews have high power in america thus if anybody hurts isreal america will interviene

Iraq has always hated Isreal thus wee took them out

Iran also hates Isreal and lets just say were not buddies with Iran

see the picture here

KaptainKernal

paranoid much?

We are not really buddies with anyone in the middle east, and while our support of Israel contributes to this, then by your logic, Jordon, Syria, Egypt, and Lebanon shouldn't be around anymore. I don't think the Iraq - Israel relations really contributed to why we invaded Iraq. Like Saddam was never really that religious to begin with.

P.S Germany lost WW2, because Hitler was an arogant ass who liked to play general and ignore his real tacicians... but that is beside the point. How would the Jews contribute to Germany loosing WW2... The Nazis were slaughtering Jewish people by the millions. :?

lets just say the jewish people have powerful allies and these allies cough "Allied nations" crushed Germany

plus they made the nuke to blow japan off the map

[QUOTE="KaptainKernal"][QUOTE="Norg"]

u must not get it Jews have high power in america thus if anybody hurts isreal america will interviene

Iraq has always hated Isreal thus wee took them out

Iran also hates Isreal and lets just say were not buddies with Iran

see the picture here

KaptainKernal

paranoid much?

We are not really buddies with anyone in the middle east, and while our support of Israel contributes to this, then by your logic, Jordon, Syria, Egypt, and Lebanon shouldn't be around anymore. I don't think the Iraq - Israel relations really contributed to why we invaded Iraq. Like Saddam was never really that religious to begin with.

P.S Germany lost WW2, because Hitler was an arogant ass who liked to play general and ignore his real tacicians... but that is beside the point. How would the Jews contribute to Germany loosing WW2... The Nazis were slaughtering Jewish people by the millions. :?

I think you underestimate an arrogant ass...he was brilliant in conquering but after time he became senile so his judgement skills were inhibitted leading to the invasion of D-day on which he slept all mourning without mobilizing his forces. I am not condoning his actions, but don't say a man who conquered most of Europe was a bad tactician. He was talking about the iran and israel conflicts not the Jews contribution to fall of germany.

If the world superpowers werent protecting israel with their words then arabic nations would have driven them out into the sea by now but before that happens they would drop a couple of nukes and bad things would happenSOTE

[QUOTE="KaptainKernal"][QUOTE="KaptainKernal"][QUOTE="Norg"]

u must not get it Jews have high power in america thus if anybody hurts isreal america will interviene

Iraq has always hated Isreal thus wee took them out

Iran also hates Isreal and lets just say were not buddies with Iran

see the picture here

SOTE

paranoid much?

We are not really buddies with anyone in the middle east, and while our support of Israel contributes to this, then by your logic, Jordon, Syria, Egypt, and Lebanon shouldn't be around anymore. I don't think the Iraq - Israel relations really contributed to why we invaded Iraq. Like Saddam was never really that religious to begin with.

P.S Germany lost WW2, because Hitler was an arogant ass who liked to play general and ignore his real tacicians... but that is beside the point. How would the Jews contribute to Germany loosing WW2... The Nazis were slaughtering Jewish people by the millions. :?

I think you underestimate an arrogant ass...he was brilliant in conquering but after time he became senile so his judgement skills were inhibitted leading to the invasion of D-day on which he slept all mourning without mobilizing his forces. I am not condoning his actions, but don't say a man who conquered most of Europe was a bad tactician. He was talking about the iran and israel conflicts not the Jews contribution to fall of germany.

[QUOTE="KaptainKernal"][QUOTE="KaptainKernal"][QUOTE="Norg"]

u must not get it Jews have high power in america thus if anybody hurts isreal america will interviene

Iraq has always hated Isreal thus wee took them out

Iran also hates Isreal and lets just say were not buddies with Iran

see the picture here

SOTE

paranoid much?

We are not really buddies with anyone in the middle east, and while our support of Israel contributes to this, then by your logic, Jordon, Syria, Egypt, and Lebanon shouldn't be around anymore. I don't think the Iraq - Israel relations really contributed to why we invaded Iraq. Like Saddam was never really that religious to begin with.

P.S Germany lost WW2, because Hitler was an arogant ass who liked to play general and ignore his real tacicians... but that is beside the point. How would the Jews contribute to Germany loosing WW2... The Nazis were slaughtering Jewish people by the millions. :?

I think you underestimate an arrogant ass...he was brilliant in conquering but after time he became senile so his judgement skills were inhibitted leading to the invasion of D-day on which he slept all mourning without mobilizing his forces. I am not condoning his actions, but don't say a man who conquered most of Europe was a bad tactician. He was talking about the iran and israel conflicts not the Jews contribution to fall of germany.

Two reasons I say no.

1. The Israeli government is as bad as some of the terrorists.

2. Israel doesn't need any bloody help. They've got one of the best military forces in the world. >_>

[QUOTE="KaptainKernal"][QUOTE="KaptainKernal"][QUOTE="Norg"]

u must not get it Jews have high power in america thus if anybody hurts isreal america will interviene

Iraq has always hated Isreal thus wee took them out

Iran also hates Isreal and lets just say were not buddies with Iran

see the picture here

SOTE

paranoid much?

We are not really buddies with anyone in the middle east, and while our support of Israel contributes to this, then by your logic, Jordon, Syria, Egypt, and Lebanon shouldn't be around anymore. I don't think the Iraq - Israel relations really contributed to why we invaded Iraq. Like Saddam was never really that religious to begin with.

P.S Germany lost WW2, because Hitler was an arogant ass who liked to play general and ignore his real tacicians... but that is beside the point. How would the Jews contribute to Germany loosing WW2... The Nazis were slaughtering Jewish people by the millions. :?

I think you underestimate an arrogant ass...he was brilliant in conquering but after time he became senile so his judgement skills were inhibitted leading to the invasion of D-day on which he slept all mourning without mobilizing his forces. I am not condoning his actions, but don't say a man who conquered most of Europe was a bad tactician. He was talking about the iran and israel conflicts not the Jews contribution to fall of germany.

Norg said: "plus i know what iam talking about ask the germans about the Jewish Race and how they lost WW2 because of them"

Its fair game if I want to rebute that. Which I did. And ok I will concede that Hitler wasn't an idiot, but he did go off the deep end when he invaded Russia. And to some degree always crazy, but he really lost it when he realized he couldn't take stalingrad.

Anyway, I hope we can agree, Norg is some kind of anti-semetic conspiracy theorist.

Also Norg, Einstien wasn't the only guy who helped with the Atomic bomb, and Japan is still defentitely "on the map"

... and Japan is still defentitely "on the map"

KaptainKernal

Such as, um... *looks at the site we're on* GAMING? >_>

It's a bed we've chose to lie in, and I don't see how it can be undone. Make no mistake about it, if the US and UK suddenly stopped supporting Israel, they would be invaded from all sides in days.btaylor2404

I hear lots of Politicians say how the world must protect Israel. Like I am not against Israel or anythign but they were invaded by basically the entire western half of the middle east and win *multible* times.

I don't think they really need much protecting, support yes, protection... not really. What do you think?

KaptainKernal

i really dont see a reason to protect it.

[QUOTE="btaylor2404"]It's a bed we've chose to lie in, and I don't see how it can be undone. Make no mistake about it, if the US and UK suddenly stopped supporting Israel, they would be invaded from all sides in days.killtactics

Your sure about that? You don't think that without our support that Israel would be in more wars as they were in the 60's? Don't get me wrong, I support our backing Israel, and know they have a great defense program.

[QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="btaylor2404"]It's a bed we've chose to lie in, and I don't see how it can be undone. Make no mistake about it, if the US and UK suddenly stopped supporting Israel, they would be invaded from all sides in days.btaylor2404

Your sure about that? You don't think that without our support that Israel would be in more wars as they were in the 60's? Don't get me wrong, I support our backing Israel, and know they have a great defense program.

They don't need any help. And they probably don't deserve it, anyways.

I think Israel, and its Zionist's across the western world are pretty screwed up.

I dont like that our media, banks and government are controlled by Zionists who throw around the word anti semite and sensationalize everything that dosent go along with their plans.

I think it comes down to these crazy people with their crazy religions ultimately. Israel wants to build that temple where the Islamic mosque is right? well thats supposed to "bring the end times". I dont believe in that nonsense, but never the less I think the Zionists (not jews, because theres many jews who agree with me on this) need to be dealt with.

[QUOTE="btaylor2404"]

[QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="btaylor2404"]It's a bed we've chose to lie in, and I don't see how it can be undone. Make no mistake about it, if the US and UK suddenly stopped supporting Israel, they would be invaded from all sides in days.PannicAtack

Your sure about that? You don't think that without our support that Israel would be in more wars as they were in the 60's? Don't get me wrong, I support our backing Israel, and know they have a great defense program.

They don't need any help. And they probably don't deserve it, anyways.

[QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="btaylor2404"]It's a bed we've chose to lie in, and I don't see how it can be undone. Make no mistake about it, if the US and UK suddenly stopped supporting Israel, they would be invaded from all sides in days.btaylor2404

Your sure about that? You don't think that without our support that Israel would be in more wars as they were in the 60's? Don't get me wrong, I support our backing Israel, and know they have a great defense program.

[QUOTE="btaylor2404"]

[QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="btaylor2404"]It's a bed we've chose to lie in, and I don't see how it can be undone. Make no mistake about it, if the US and UK suddenly stopped supporting Israel, they would be invaded from all sides in days.killtactics

Your sure about that? You don't think that without our support that Israel would be in more wars as they were in the 60's? Don't get me wrong, I support our backing Israel, and know they have a great defense program.

True, again sorry if I jumped on you, No idea what your talking about is a bit harsh, I'm no 14 year old. Anyways, I agree they have a mighty military with Nukes, but WHO has used nukes in the last 60 some odd years? Now if anyone would I think it would be Isarel, but your talking about nuking countries very close to you, which could cause caution.

I'm sure the Israeli Defense Forces will protect Israel. I have complete confidence in them. I have a friend who is a Sergent in the IDF.MissRiotmaker

I hear lots of Politicians say how the world must protect Israel. Like I am not against Israel or anythign but they were invaded by basically the entire western half of the middle east and win *multible* times.

I don't think they really need much protecting, support yes, protection... not really. What do you think?

KaptainKernal

Israel has a policy that when you turn 18 you must serve for two years in the military. Every single Israeli citizen is fully trained in combat... yeah they need no help whatsoever.

[QUOTE="KaptainKernal"][QUOTE="Norg"]

u must not get it Jews have high power in america thus if anybody hurts isreal america will interviene

Iraq has always hated Isreal thus wee took them out

Iran also hates Isreal and lets just say were not buddies with Iran

see the picture here

Norg

paranoid much?

We are not really buddies with anyone in the middle east, and while our support of Israel contributes to this, then by your logic, Jordon, Syria, Egypt, and Lebanon shouldn't be around anymore. I don't think the Iraq - Israel relations really contributed to why we invaded Iraq. Like Saddam was never really that religious to begin with.

Its true man but the higher powers will not admit it

Heck we even threated to invade syria like a few ago just becasue they where sending syrian fighters into iraq to fight america

that just shows u how bad we are itching to take them out

they were supporting our enemy that we were at war with by sending troops... that's kind of an act of war...

[QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="btaylor2404"]It's a bed we've chose to lie in, and I don't see how it can be undone. Make no mistake about it, if the US and UK suddenly stopped supporting Israel, they would be invaded from all sides in days.btaylor2404

Your sure about that? You don't think that without our support that Israel would be in more wars as they were in the 60's? Don't get me wrong, I support our backing Israel, and know they have a great defense program.

do you remember the six day war?...

[QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"]I'm sure the Israeli Defense Forces will protect Israel. I have complete confidence in them. I have a friend who is a Sergent in the IDF.C_BozkurT_C

ever heard of the desert eagle? the TAR? the uzi? the galil? jericho 941? explosive reactive armor? what they do get from other countries they improve upon.

[QUOTE="C_BozkurT_C"][QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"]I'm sure the Israeli Defense Forces will protect Israel. I have complete confidence in them. I have a friend who is a Sergent in the IDF.jlh47

ever heard of the desert eagle? the TAR? the uzi? the galil? jericho 941? explosive reactive armor? what they do get from other countries they improve upon.

Wouldn't put the Desert Eagle in that list, as it's a joke amongst gun enthusiasts. But you are right about the other things. To say their military is entirely comprised of American-supplied weapons is ignorant. The Merkhava tank is a perfect example of Israel being able to make their own fighting equipment.

[QUOTE="jlh47"]

[QUOTE="C_BozkurT_C"][QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"]I'm sure the Israeli Defense Forces will protect Israel. I have complete confidence in them. I have a friend who is a Sergent in the IDF.Verge_6

ever heard of the desert eagle? the TAR? the uzi? the galil? jericho 941? explosive reactive armor? what they do get from other countries they improve upon.

Wouldn't put the Desert Egle in that list, as it's a joke amongst gun enthusiasts. But you are right about the other things. To say their military is entirely comprised of American-supplied weapons is ignorant. The Merkhava tank is a perfect example of Israel able to make their own fighting equipment.

true, but this is a gaming website where almost everyone has played cs where the deagle is very popular.

Israel has a policy that when you turn 18 you must serve for two years in the military. Every single Israeli citizen is fully trained in combat... yeah they need no help whatsoever.

KaptainKernal

utter crap. it's 3 years...but only 8% are combatants(and only 75% of the jewish population eventually serve(a lot try and weasel their way out...and the rest 92% spend most of the service making freaking coffee or preform other meaningful tasks such as..well.. starring at paint dry off,they're as much warriors as a..ehh..lamp shades?)-also you only contribute to us about 2 billion dollars a year while our annual budget is about 15(a substantial contribution to be sure-but not crucial)

and as an israeli tank commander-we make all our own tanks-which a lot consider to be the best in the world(the merkave)...

They don't need protecting. There's a reason they are called "the modern day Sparta". I mean, when you're able to whoop a simultaneous invasion by every major Middle Eastern country MULTIPLE times...I think you're able to do just fine on your own.Verge_6

yeah...but those guys are just really bad...

I hear lots of Politicians say how the world must protect Israel. Like I am not against Israel or anythign but they were invaded by basically the entire western half of the middle east and win *multible* times.

I don't think they really need much protecting, support yes, protection... not really. What do you think?

KaptainKernal

The reason they won multiple times in the Israeli-Arab conflict is because of our support for them. Israel wouldn't have a leg to stand on now if we didn't support them. They most likely wouldn't even be around now if we hadn't given them funds and arms to fight against the Arab's with. We shouldn't support them, we should look at them like we do any other country.

I think that we need to stop policing the world and start focusing on our own country.RenegadePatriot

The reason they won multiple times in the Israeli-Arab conflict is because of our support for them. Israel wouldn't have a leg to stand on now if we didn't support them. They most likely wouldn't even be around now if we hadn't given them funds and arms to fight against the Arab's with. We shouldn't support them, we should look at them like we do any other country.

ElectronicMagic

no-the israeli war of independence was won without american support and with british hostility and support with the arabs,and that without an organized army-only ressistance movements...

like i said-most of the blame is amateurism and incapabilty of the arab nations-they're not very good(at anything for that matter)

[QUOTE="ElectronicMagic"]

The reason they won multiple times in the Israeli-Arab conflict is because of our support for them. Israel wouldn't have a leg to stand on now if we didn't support them. They most likely wouldn't even be around now if we hadn't given them funds and arms to fight against the Arab's with. We shouldn't support them, we should look at them like we do any other country.

pie-junior

no-the israeli war of independence was won without american support and with british hostility and support with the arabs,and that without an organized army-only ressistance movements...

like i said-most of the blame is amateurism and incapabilty of the arab nations-they're not very good(at anything for that matter)

I wouldn't say that aren't very good at anything. Just look at Iraq and Afghanistan and other African nations, they are pretty good a Guerilla warfare. I highly disagree with the thought that we didn't support the Israeli war of Independance, from what I have read, the United States was one of if not the biggest supporter of Israel, from what I understand even the Soviet Union supported them when they first declared independance. I would agree that the Arabs were using outdated equipment and didn't have the best Commanders leading at the time.

[QUOTE="pie-junior"][QUOTE="ElectronicMagic"]

The reason they won multiple times in the Israeli-Arab conflict is because of our support for them. Israel wouldn't have a leg to stand on now if we didn't support them. They most likely wouldn't even be around now if we hadn't given them funds and arms to fight against the Arab's with. We shouldn't support them, we should look at them like we do any other country.

ElectronicMagic

no-the israeli war of independence was won without american support and with british hostility and support with the arabs,and that without an organized army-only ressistance movements...

like i said-most of the blame is amateurism and incapabilty of the arab nations-they're not very good(at anything for that matter)

I wouldn't say that aren't very good at anything. Just look at Iraq and Afghanistan and other African nations, they are pretty good a Guerilla warfare.

Those aren't the armed forces of Iraq and Afghanistan doing the guerrilla fighting. Those are locals and insurgents.

[QUOTE="ElectronicMagic"][QUOTE="pie-junior"][QUOTE="ElectronicMagic"]

The reason they won multiple times in the Israeli-Arab conflict is because of our support for them. Israel wouldn't have a leg to stand on now if we didn't support them. They most likely wouldn't even be around now if we hadn't given them funds and arms to fight against the Arab's with. We shouldn't support them, we should look at them like we do any other country.

Verge_6

no-the israeli war of independence was won without american support and with british hostility and support with the arabs,and that without an organized army-only ressistance movements...

like i said-most of the blame is amateurism and incapabilty of the arab nations-they're not very good(at anything for that matter)

I wouldn't say that aren't very good at anything. Just look at Iraq and Afghanistan and other African nations, they are pretty good a Guerilla warfare.

Those aren't the armed forces of Iraq and Afghanistan doing the guerrilla fighting. Those are locals and insurgents.

And forigen volunteers. I was just saying that there is something that they(Arabs) are good at, which the person I was talking to said that they aren't good at anything.