it seems everytime i post on these forums about being northern irish and its made me wonder how many Americans (or anyone) know that Ireland is divided into two countries? and even better does anyone know why theres such resntment in the communities towards each ohter?
Ireland was divided because of religion. I'm not entirely which sects of Chirstianity are divided, but I think one of them is Roman Catholic.THE_DRUGGIE
Divided because the crown wanted to take over Ireland so they sent their people over. Yes the religion was different.
was watching a BBC documentary on our (the UK's) Monarchy and it was interviewing some American people about our Queens visit to the US a little while ago and they were saying how they should she ruled the UK and she was still making all the decisions, and other people had never heard of her and others thought that the UK was just england... does this really represent the standard of US foreign knowledge?
I'm not sure how extensive a cross section of America you'll get here for a scientific result, but I am aware that Ireland is split into two sections. There doesn't seem to be much focus on it in the school system here, but my average Joe impression was that it's split into independent Ireland with Dublin as the capital, and British-controlled Northern Ireland including Belfast and surrounding areas. My thought was that Britain did not want to relinquish all of Ireland and the periodic conflict there is due to a continuing hot/cold fight for independence by Irish nationalists. I was not aware at all that the two Irelands did not get along. I thought all the antagonism was directed at Great Britain. Not sure how close at all I am on that stuff, but there's your lightly-educated American opinion on the subject. I could cheat and look it up, then sound all informed, but how genuine would that be. Nevertheless, I'm going to look it up now. Thanks for the inspiration!
was watching a BBC documentary on our (the UK's) Monarchy and it was interviewing some American people about our Queens visit to the US a little while ago and they were saying how they should she ruled the UK and she was still making all the decisions, and other people had never heard of her and others thought that the UK was just england... does this really represent the standard of US foreign knowledge?GenTom
No...it does not. To be fair I could go to the UK and ask US questions and show incorrect answers as well.;)
[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]Ireland was divided because of religion. I'm not entirely which sects of Chirstianity are divided, but I think one of them is Roman Catholic.LJS9502_basic
Divided because the crown wanted to take over Ireland so they sent their people over. Yes the religion was different.
No...
At partition. The countys that had a protostant majority stayedas part of the UK and the countys with Catholic majoritys split and became the RoI. There was a large amount of terrorist and paramilitary fighting in the 60's,70's and 80's but the terrrorist groups are just organised crime groups nowadays...
Europe's a long way away, and the US is a pretty large self-contained country. You'll find some informed Amercans, but most of the time Europeans know a lot more about Europe.
[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]Ireland was divided because of religion. I'm not entirely which sects of Chirstianity are divided, but I think one of them is Roman Catholic.redstormrisen
Divided because the crown wanted to take over Ireland so they sent their people over. Yes the religion was different.
No...
At partition. The countys that had a protostant majority stayedas part of the UK and the countys with Catholic majoritys split and became the RoI. There was a large amount of terrorist and paramilitary fighting in the 60's,70's and 80's but the terrrorist groups are just organised crime groups nowadays...
I'm talking about the actual start. You do know the UK sent their people over and took the land from the Irish?
see i was just asking because 80% of the IRA(Irish Republican Army) comes from America (the IRA is a terrorist organisation i can't see how the contry trying to defeat terrorism is supporting the IRA.
you should watch some of the youtube videos they will remind you of al qaida interview videos.
i would also like to point out to the ill informed that there are more dead a a result of NI's troubles than in 9/11.
see i was just asking because 80% of the IRA(Irish Republican Army) comes from America (the IRA is a terrorist organisation i can't see how the contry trying to defeat terrorism is supporting the IRA.
you should watch some of the youtube videos they will remind you of al qaida interview videos.
i would also like to point out to the ill informed that there are more dead a a result of NI's troubles than in 9/11.
muff07
IRA isn't as active anymore...and BOTH sides are to blame.
[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]Ireland was divided because of religion. I'm not entirely which sects of Chirstianity are divided, but I think one of them is Roman Catholic.LJS9502_basic
Divided because the crown wanted to take over Ireland so they sent their people over. Yes the religion was different.
No...
At partition. The countys that had a protostant majority stayedas part of the UK and the countys with Catholic majoritys split and became the RoI. There was a large amount of terrorist and paramilitary fighting in the 60's,70's and 80's but the terrrorist groups are just organised crime groups nowadays...
I'm talking about the actual start. You do know the UK sent their people over and took the land from the Irish?
your refering to the plantations in the 1500's . And you realise it was the British that introduced catholsism to Ireland and made the country catholic in the first place.
see i was just asking because 80% of the IRA(Irish Republican Army) comes from America (the IRA is a terrorist organisation i can't see how the contry trying to defeat terrorism is supporting the IRA.
you should watch some of the youtube videos they will remind you of al qaida interview videos.
i would also like to point out to the ill informed that there are more dead a a result of NI's troubles than in 9/11.
LJS9502_basic
IRA isn't as active anymore...and BOTH sides are to blame.:)
I know for a fact both the IRA and UDA are very active organisations. with the IRA performing a kneecapping(shooting someone through both knee caps so they can never walk again) on a universaty student near my house because he drove through there community with a northern irelnad football team tax disc holder. The UDA are also very active in seeling stolen goods (there actually selling ps3's stolen from game for £100,and thats not where i got mine before people ask)
your refering to the plantations in the 1500's . And you realise it was the British that introduced catholsism to Ireland and made the country catholic in the first place.
muff07
And then they wanted to change religion....which you can't force.It's a long history with both sides doing the wrong thing at times. Ireland was initally it's own country....usually a subjegated people are not happy that way. It is time to move past that though....by both parties.
Part of my ancestry on my dad's side was from N. Ireland....but Catholic. :?
your refering to the plantations in the 1500's . And you realise it was the British that introduced catholsism to Ireland and made the country catholic in the first place.
LJS9502_basic
And then they wanted to change religion....which you can't force.It's a long history with both sides doing the wrong thing at times. Ireland was initally it's own country....usually a subjecgated people are not happy that way. It is time to move past that though....by both parties.
Part of my ancestry on my dad's side was from N. Ireland....but Catholic. :?
ireland has never actually been a fully united country initiallly it was divided beetween the 4 kings of ireland ruling over the provinces of munster, linschter(spelling could be of),ulster and monaghan.
ireland has never actually been a fully united country initiallly it was divided beetween the 4 kings of ireland ruling over the provinces of munster, linschter(spelling could be of),ulster and monaghan.
muff07
It was not a part of the UK though. Separate island. Have you read the history?
ireland has never actually been a fully united country initiallly it was divided beetween the 4 kings of ireland ruling over the provinces of munster, linschter(spelling could be of),ulster and monaghan.
LJS9502_basic
It was not a part of the UK though. Separate island. Have you read the history?
you do realise england , scotland and wales are part of the UK but are techincally diffrent countries(scotland has actaully a nationalist goverment at the minute and may vote to remove itself from the united kingdom)
you do realise england , scotland and wales are part of the UK but are techincally diffrent countries(scotland has actaully a nationalist goverment at the minute and may vote to remove itself from the united kingdom)
Its similar in the way America owns hawaii
muff07
You do realize Scotland and Wales aren't 100% happy either. The US doesn't OWN Hawaii...it's one of the states with the same rights.
you do realise england , scotland and wales are part of the UK but are techincally diffrent countries(scotland has actaully a nationalist goverment at the minute and may vote to remove itself from the united kingdom)
Its similar in the way America owns hawaii
LJS9502_basic
You do realize Scotland and Wales aren't 100% happy either. The US doesn't OWN Hawaii...it's one of the states with the same rights.
much in the way NI is a province of the united kingdom of great britian and northern ireland and can vote to remove itself from that union and has its owns goverment and laws.
That is exactly the same way as hawai is in regards to the united states
much in the way NI is a province of the united kingdom of great britian and northern ireland and can vote to remove itself from that union and has its owns goverment and laws.
That is exactly the same way as hawai is in regards to the united states
muff07
It's not the same thing....but I don't think you'd be swayed. And answering your original question...the educated Americans know. What part of NI are you from?
much in the way NI is a province of the united kingdom of great britian and northern ireland and can vote to remove itself from that union and has its owns goverment and laws.
That is exactly the same way as hawai is in regards to the united states
muff07
That is nothing like the way Hawaii (or New York or Wisconsin or any other state) is in regards to the U.S.
Ireland was divided because of religion. I'm not entirely which sects of Chirstianity are divided, but I think one of them is Roman Catholic.THE_DRUGGIE
Yea what he said. Not all Americans are idiots, just 80% of them.
Im sorry but the majority of americans do not know... and that is probably true. 45 out of 70 of my american friends believe the US consists of 52 states, now either i hang out with idiots, or americans are usually not that well educated when it comes to small facts. (thos extra states they name are Puerto rico and guam)
Im sorry but the majority of americans do not know... and that is probably true. 45 out of 70 of my american friends believe the US consists of 52 states, now either i hang out with idiots, or americans are usually not that well educated when it comes to small facts. (thos extra states they name are Puerto rico and guam)bluebusiness
[QUOTE="bluebusiness"]Im sorry but the majority of americans do not know... and that is probably true. 45 out of 70 of my american friends believe the US consists of 52 states, now either i hang out with idiots, or americans are usually not that well educated when it comes to small facts. (thos extra states they name are Puerto rico and guam)LJS9502_basic
You'd be wrong.....
Agreed, I've never known anyone that's thought that. However, I will tell the truth, I didn't know the answer to the topic, I only knew that Northern Ireland is part of the UK, and the other is well, Ireland.
[QUOTE="bluebusiness"]Im sorry but the majority of americans do not know... and that is probably true. 45 out of 70 of my american friends believe the US consists of 52 states, now either i hang out with idiots, or americans are usually not that well educated when it comes to small facts. (thos extra states they name are Puerto rico and guam)wemhim
You'd be wrong.....
Agreed, I've never known anyone that's thought that. However, I will tell the truth, I didn't know the answer to the topic, I only knew that Northern Ireland is part of the UK, and the other is well, Ireland.
After perusing his profile...he is French and lives in Japan. Doubt he has any logistiacal knowledge of Americans. I've never encountered an actual American that didn't know we had 50 states.:|
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