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#1 lightleggy
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OK...im really not the kind of guy who goes around posting threads like "yo atheist tell bla bla bla" but im just doing this because something called my attention...

well in an older topic, I saw a bunch of atheist saying that they stopped believe in God because they realized that "if God really loved them why didnt they had a better life?"

I just see no sense in that...so according to them...just because God loves them, he must give them the world on a silver plate? so if you have a son and you dont give him everything in the world, does it means that you dont love your son?

sorry but I just think that the people who stopped believing because of that excuse...are just...I dont know!...they think that the world spins around them? that they need to have everything in the world?

btw...I dont want this to be a 19 pages thread...

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#3 smc91352
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what types of comments do you expect from this? yes; that's not a good reason to "lose faith" but it is one that makes people reconsider the accuracy of the "beliefs" in the first place.
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#5 Rocky32189
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sorry but I just think that the people who stopped believing because of that excuse...are just...I dont know!...lightleggy
I think the absolute lack of evidence is the main reason people don't believe in a god. I don't think anyone is using that "excuse" as their only reason.
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#7 Astrapsody
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There are many poor arguments, and that's one of them. However, there are many very good arguments, and I suggest you get into those....

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#8 Frattracide
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Wah happen to teh question?

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#9 trust_nobody
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So how does it make you feel knowing youve been believeing in something fake?

Jump_Muffin



Stop. You've posted this once already.

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#10 lightleggy
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[QUOTE="lightleggy"]sorry but I just think that the people who stopped believing because of that excuse...are just...I dont know!...Rocky32189
I think the absolute lack of evidence is the main reason people don't believe in a god. I don't think anyone is using that "excuse" as their only reason.

there is a common reason and its lack of evidence, but before of that a lot of people passes through different circumstances that lead to the "there is no evidence God exists"

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#11 lightleggy
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There are many poor arguments, and that's one of them. However, there are many very good arguments, and I suggest you get into those....

Astrapsody
im not discussing other arguments, im discussing this one, the silly "oh I stopped believing because if God really loves me, why I didnt got a ferrari for christmas when I was 11 years old?"
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#12 Assassin1349
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I don't expect God to do anything special for me personally. However, there are people in this world who didn't have a chance at all. Why did your God abandon them? Simple. He doesn't exist.

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#13 Legendaryscmt
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I think the main arguement is "If there is a God, then why is the world the way it is?".

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#14 Darth-Caedus
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Because god obviously shows his love to all those children starving in Africa. I don't think it is an argument against the possibility of the existence of a god...however, it certainly is an argument against a god that actually influences this world...unless of course you believe in a god that cares about the petty needs of the well off christians of the world, but doesn't give a rats posterior about the children starving in Africa, for example.
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#15 spawnassasin
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the bible is against incest yet how did adam and eves kids have kids:|

i find that the bible contradicts itself to much

also the lack of evidence to prove god actually exist is a big reason why im athiest

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#16 lightleggy
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I don't expect God to do anything special for me personally. However, there are people in this world who didn't have a chance at all. Why did your God abandon them? Simple. He doesn't exist.

Assassin1349
hmm how do you know he abandoned them?
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#17 Brainkiller05
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First of all this is pretty pointless because one weird comment doesn't justify a thread and to be fair I can post a lot more ridiculous "reasons" why people are religious, for eg. seeing jesus in a piece of toast or a door etc. etc. etc.
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#18 LoG-Sacrament
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and i take it that the thread was locked or the posted deleted so you couldnt discuss this directly with that person?
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#19 lightleggy
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I think the main arguement is "If there is a God, then why is the world the way it is?".

Legendaryscmt
if there are barbershops, why do we see people with long hair and beards on the street all time?
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#20 Assassin1349
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[QUOTE="Assassin1349"]

I don't expect God to do anything special for me personally. However, there are people in this world who didn't have a chance at all. Why did your God abandon them? Simple. He doesn't exist.

lightleggy
hmm how do you know he abandoned them?

Because they are dying, malnourished, diseased and poor. If there is a god, he doesn't care about you, me, or this world or what we do on it.
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#21 deactivated-58b6232955e4a
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I stopped believing when I realized the only reason I'd been believing was because I was scared of what comes after life.
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#22 lightleggy
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and i take it that the thread was locked or the posted deleted so you couldnt discuss this directly with that person?LoG-Sacrament
no because i never posted on the thread, I delete the historial like once a month so I dont have a linkage, cant remember the name, or someone who posted on it, I searched for like 3000 pages and I couldn't find it
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#23 Astrapsody
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[QUOTE="Astrapsody"]

There are many poor arguments, and that's one of them. However, there are many very good arguments, and I suggest you get into those....

lightleggy

im not discussing other arguments, im discussing this one, the silly "oh I stopped believing because if God really loves me, why I didnt got a ferrari for christmas when I was 11 years old?"

I believe you're referring to the "silly" why does God allow suffering argument. To which is replied, because man allowed sin into the world. To which I reply, isn't God all-knowing and all-powerful?

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#24 Assassin1349
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[QUOTE="Legendaryscmt"]

I think the main arguement is "If there is a God, then why is the world the way it is?".

lightleggy
if there are barbershops, why do we see people with long hair and beards on the street all time?

hahahaahah, that was ridiculous.
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I believe that most people who follow a religion came from a religious family, And the beliefs where instilled in them from a young age. I grew up with a family that wasn't very religious which allowed me to see everything with a completely open and unbiased mindset. I've yet to see any religion that makes sense and i don't believe god is an all powerful entity. But from a scientific point of view everything had to come from somewhere and i see that something as being god.

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#26 lightleggy
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[QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"]Because god obviously shows his love to all those children starving in Africa. I don't think it is an argument against the possibility of the existence of a god...however, it certainly is an argument against a god that actually influences this world...unless of course you believe in a god that cares about the petty needs of the well off christians of the world, but doesn't give a rats posterior about the children starving in Africa, for example.

do you want God to send angels to deliver the kids food? God doesnt intervine like that in the world...not you or me know how he works...
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#27 Brainkiller05
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[QUOTE="Legendaryscmt"]

I think the main arguement is "If there is a God, then why is the world the way it is?".

lightleggy
if there are barbershops, why do we see people with long hair and beards on the street all time?

if there's a god why are people born disabled or with diseases or die of starvation etc. what's worse is when religious people say they believe in God because he did performed some "miracle" in their life, it's pretty arrogant to think gods performing miracles specifically for you/your family yet he seems to be ignoring the millions of people who are truly in need, like the people I mentioned above.
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[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"]Because god obviously shows his love to all those children starving in Africa. I don't think it is an argument against the possibility of the existence of a god...however, it certainly is an argument against a god that actually influences this world...unless of course you believe in a god that cares about the petty needs of the well off christians of the world, but doesn't give a rats posterior about the children starving in Africa, for example.

do you want God to send angels to deliver the kids food? God doesnt intervine like that in the world...not you or me know how he works...

If god doesn't intervene in the world, then why do christians pray for their petty little wants or needs?
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#29 lightleggy
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[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="Assassin1349"]

I don't expect God to do anything special for me personally. However, there are people in this world who didn't have a chance at all. Why did your God abandon them? Simple. He doesn't exist.

Assassin1349
hmm how do you know he abandoned them?

Because they are dying, malnourished, diseased and poor. If there is a god, he doesn't care about you, me, or this world or what we do on it.

like I said...God doesnt intervine directly into the world.... and God doesnt punish someone for something that person didnt knew it was wrong. for example...how do you know God wont sent those kids to heaven because they never heard of him?
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[QUOTE="Assassin1349"]

I don't expect God to do anything special for me personally. However, there are people in this world who didn't have a chance at all. Why did your God abandon them? Simple. He doesn't exist.

lightleggy

hmm how do you know he abandoned them?

if this is gods love then i wonder what its like when hes mad

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#31 lightleggy
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[QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"][QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"]Because god obviously shows his love to all those children starving in Africa. I don't think it is an argument against the possibility of the existence of a god...however, it certainly is an argument against a god that actually influences this world...unless of course you believe in a god that cares about the petty needs of the well off christians of the world, but doesn't give a rats posterior about the children starving in Africa, for example.

do you want God to send angels to deliver the kids food? God doesnt intervine like that in the world...not you or me know how he works...

If god doesn't intervene in the world, then why do christians pray for their petty little wants or needs?

one thing is a little pray, like for example "pls help me at school" other is something like "COME DOWN AND HAND THE KIDS IN AFRICA SOME FOOD BY YOURSELF" tell me something... if you are in africa, and you see God comming down from the sky with a bunch of food, handing the food himself to every single kid...would you still be atheist? no, because you would have an actual concrete undeniable proof that He exist, eliminating the need of FAITH
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#32 Assassin1349
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[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="Assassin1349"][QUOTE="lightleggy"] hmm how do you know he abandoned them?

Because they are dying, malnourished, diseased and poor. If there is a god, he doesn't care about you, me, or this world or what we do on it.

like I said...God doesnt intervine directly into the world.... and God doesnt punish someone for something that person didnt knew it was wrong. for example...how do you know God wont sent those kids to heaven because they never heard of him?

He won't send those kids to heaven because there is no heaven and your definition of God is completely absurd and wrong.
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[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="Assassin1349"][QUOTE="lightleggy"] hmm how do you know he abandoned them?

Because they are dying, malnourished, diseased and poor. If there is a god, he doesn't care about you, me, or this world or what we do on it.

like I said...God doesnt intervine directly into the world.... and God doesnt punish someone for something that person didnt knew it was wrong. for example...how do you know God wont sent those kids to heaven because they never heard of him?

i dont know how this all works, but why not just send those kids directly to heaven and skip the whole torture and suffering part? does there really have to be some kind of suffering meter that gives you a free ride to heaven when you hit the jackpot of pain?
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[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"][QUOTE="lightleggy"] do you want God to send angels to deliver the kids food? God doesnt intervine like that in the world...not you or me know how he works...

If god doesn't intervene in the world, then why do christians pray for their petty little wants or needs?

one thing is a little pray, like for example "pls help me at school" other is something like "COME DOWN AND HAND THE KIDS IN AFRICA SOME FOOD BY YOURSELF" tell me something... if you are in africa, and you see God comming down from the sky with a bunch of food, handing the food himself to every single kid...would you still be atheist? no, because you would have an actual concrete undeniable proof that He exist, eliminating the need of FAITH

I hope for your sake this is a joke thread. Take a step back and listen to what you're saying, if you actually believe the stuff coming out of your mouth then... son, I am disappoint.
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#35 lightleggy
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[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="Legendaryscmt"]

I think the main arguement is "If there is a God, then why is the world the way it is?".

Assassin1349
if there are barbershops, why do we see people with long hair and beards on the street all time?

hahahaahah, that was ridiculous.

your post is ridiculous, the answer is "because those peps want to have their hair long, they dont want to go to a fricking barbershop..." so the world is the way it is because people dont look out God for help at first place! im also guilty of that! when a person is in great need, the last thing he do is asking God for help! yeah like I said im no different, I also do that. every person in the world is able to choose whether he wants or does not wants to follow God...do you expect God to help those who choose not to follow him? and I suppose you say "a lot of kids in africa dont even have the chance to hear about God" yeah, God wont punish them for that... btw...you are all seeing this from a human POV...I mean the "there is no afterlife so they suffer here and wont have any more joy" but we are talking about Christianity...which does believes in afterlife...not like im saying I want to die or something cuz once again: im also guilty for that! I would not like to get killed or to starve, im just saying, when we die is not the end...
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I believe that most people who follow a religion came from a religious family, And the beliefs where instilled in them from a young age. I grew up with a family that wasn't very religious which allowed me to see everything with a completely open and unbiased mindset. I've yet to see any religion that makes sense and i don't believe god is an all powerful entity. But from a scientific point of view everything had to come from somewhere and i see that something as being god.

mattisgod01

My family wasn't very religious either. I was also raised to have an open mind and unbiased mindset. I chose to become religious later in life and never regretted my decision. I have always had and still do have an open mind and unbiased mindset much like yourself. There are quite a few religious people who were not raised as part of a religion, at least where I am from which may be different where you live I guess.

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[QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"][QUOTE="lightleggy"] do you want God to send angels to deliver the kids food? God doesnt intervine like that in the world...not you or me know how he works...lightleggy
If god doesn't intervene in the world, then why do christians pray for their petty little wants or needs?

one thing is a little pray, like for example "pls help me at school" other is something like "COME DOWN AND HAND THE KIDS IN AFRICA SOME FOOD BY YOURSELF" tell me something... if you are in africa, and you see God comming down from the sky with a bunch of food, handing the food himself to every single kid...would you still be atheist? no, because you would have an actual concrete undeniable proof that He exist, eliminating the need of FAITH

So are you saying that God allows other people to suffer so people will have faith?

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[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"][QUOTE="lightleggy"] do you want God to send angels to deliver the kids food? God doesnt intervine like that in the world...not you or me know how he works...

If god doesn't intervene in the world, then why do christians pray for their petty little wants or needs?

one thing is a little pray, like for example "pls help me at school" other is something like "COME DOWN AND HAND THE KIDS IN AFRICA SOME FOOD BY YOURSELF" tell me something... if you are in africa, and you see God comming down from the sky with a bunch of food, handing the food himself to every single kid...would you still be atheist? no, because you would have an actual concrete undeniable proof that He exist, eliminating the need of FAITH

So god is a petty little ass that thinks that keeping his existence a mystery is more important then the lives of millions of people?
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[QUOTE="Legendaryscmt"]

I think the main arguement is "If there is a God, then why is the world the way it is?".

lightleggy

if there are barbershops, why do we see people with long hair and beards on the street all time?

So then God lets people rape, murder, kill, start wars, starve, etc, etc?

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#40 lightleggy
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[QUOTE="Assassin1349"][QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="Assassin1349"] Because they are dying, malnourished, diseased and poor. If there is a god, he doesn't care about you, me, or this world or what we do on it.

like I said...God doesnt intervine directly into the world.... and God doesnt punish someone for something that person didnt knew it was wrong. for example...how do you know God wont sent those kids to heaven because they never heard of him?

He won't send those kids to heaven because there is no heaven and your definition of God is completely absurd and wrong.

you are helpless...why am I even discussing with you? I mean...everything I say about God you dont even care to read you just said "wont happen because he doesnt exist" which is a pretty poor reason if you ask me...
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#42 lightleggy
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[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"]If god doesn't intervene in the world, then why do christians pray for their petty little wants or needs? Darth-Caedus
one thing is a little pray, like for example "pls help me at school" other is something like "COME DOWN AND HAND THE KIDS IN AFRICA SOME FOOD BY YOURSELF" tell me something... if you are in africa, and you see God comming down from the sky with a bunch of food, handing the food himself to every single kid...would you still be atheist? no, because you would have an actual concrete undeniable proof that He exist, eliminating the need of FAITH

So god is a petty little ass that thinks that keeping his existence a mystery is more important then the lives of millions of people?

so you dont understand that God gives eternal life? a limited life is meaningless infront of an eternal life...
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[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"][QUOTE="lightleggy"] do you want God to send angels to deliver the kids food? God doesnt intervine like that in the world...not you or me know how he works...

If god doesn't intervene in the world, then why do christians pray for their petty little wants or needs?

one thing is a little pray, like for example "pls help me at school" other is something like "COME DOWN AND HAND THE KIDS IN AFRICA SOME FOOD BY YOURSELF" tell me something... if you are in africa, and you see God comming down from the sky with a bunch of food, handing the food himself to every single kid...would you still be atheist? no, because you would have an actual concrete undeniable proof that He exist, eliminating the need of FAITH

What do you mean by "faith"? And more importantly, if God were to exist, and he's a really super dude who loves everyone, what would "faith" mean to him? Because "faith" has multiple definitions. Do you merely mean "faith" as in believing in something that has no proof - sure, that applies to God, but would that be a reason for him not to help? It seems childish for an omnimax being to not help out those who are experiencing a profound amount of suffering just because they can't know that he exists. Or would faith mean an obligation of loyalty (just an FYI, I got both of these definitions from dictionary.com)? I think that makes more sense, and I don't think that starving kids in Africa would feel as if they are not obligated to be loyal to God just because they are certain he exists - if anything that would be the ultimate "loyalty boost".
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[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"]If god doesn't intervene in the world, then why do christians pray for their petty little wants or needs? mattisgod01

one thing is a little pray, like for example "pls help me at school" other is something like "COME DOWN AND HAND THE KIDS IN AFRICA SOME FOOD BY YOURSELF" tell me something... if you are in africa, and you see God comming down from the sky with a bunch of food, handing the food himself to every single kid...would you still be atheist? no, because you would have an actual concrete undeniable proof that He exist, eliminating the need of FAITH

So are you saying that God allows other people to suffer so people will have faith?

no, im saying he wont intervene directly so that people still have faith, and not a concrete proof. you cant have faith if you already know something, you dont say "I HAVE FAITH THAT 2+2=4!" because you already know that 2+2 IS 4
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#45 Darth-Caedus
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[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"][QUOTE="lightleggy"] one thing is a little pray, like for example "pls help me at school" other is something like "COME DOWN AND HAND THE KIDS IN AFRICA SOME FOOD BY YOURSELF" tell me something... if you are in africa, and you see God comming down from the sky with a bunch of food, handing the food himself to every single kid...would you still be atheist? no, because you would have an actual concrete undeniable proof that He exist, eliminating the need of FAITH

So god is a petty little ass that thinks that keeping his existence a mystery is more important then the lives of millions of people?

so you dont understand that God gives eternal life? a limited life is meaningless infront of an eternal life...

Then why bother creating this limited life in the first place? You would think a supposedly all powerful being would be capable of creating us in this eternal paradise without the need for this meaningless life.
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[QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"][QUOTE="lightleggy"] one thing is a little pray, like for example "pls help me at school" other is something like "COME DOWN AND HAND THE KIDS IN AFRICA SOME FOOD BY YOURSELF" tell me something... if you are in africa, and you see God comming down from the sky with a bunch of food, handing the food himself to every single kid...would you still be atheist? no, because you would have an actual concrete undeniable proof that He exist, eliminating the need of FAITHlightleggy
So god is a petty little ass that thinks that keeping his existence a mystery is more important then the lives of millions of people?

so you dont understand that God gives eternal life? a limited life is meaningless infront of an eternal life...

This is the reason why religion is a danger to society.

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#47 lightleggy
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[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"]If god doesn't intervene in the world, then why do christians pray for their petty little wants or needs? -Sun_Tzu-
one thing is a little pray, like for example "pls help me at school" other is something like "COME DOWN AND HAND THE KIDS IN AFRICA SOME FOOD BY YOURSELF" tell me something... if you are in africa, and you see God comming down from the sky with a bunch of food, handing the food himself to every single kid...would you still be atheist? no, because you would have an actual concrete undeniable proof that He exist, eliminating the need of FAITH

What do you mean by "faith"? And more importantly, if God were to exist, and he's a really super dude who loves everyone, what would "faith" mean to him? Because "faith" has multiple definitions. Do you merely mean "faith" as in believing in something that has no proof - sure, that applies to God, but would that be a reason for him not to help? It seems childish for an omnimax being to not help out those who are experiencing a profound amount of suffering just because they can't know that he exists. Or would faith mean an obligation of loyalty (just an FYI, I got both of these definitions from dictionary.com)? I think that makes more sense, and I don't think that starving kids in Africa would feel as if they are not obligated to be loyal to God just because they are certain he exists - if anything that would be the ultimate "loyalty boost".

life is a test of faith... and it certainly cant be a test of faith without faith...
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#48 lightleggy
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[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"]So god is a petty little ass that thinks that keeping his existence a mystery is more important then the lives of millions of people?Darth-Caedus
so you dont understand that God gives eternal life? a limited life is meaningless infront of an eternal life...

Then why bother creating this limited life in the first place? You would think a supposedly all powerful being would be capable of creating us in this eternal paradise without the need for this meaningless life.

cuz God wants to see if you really wanna have that eternal life? if you deserve it?
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#49 mattisgod01
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[QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

I believe that most people who follow a religion came from a religious family, And the beliefs where instilled in them from a young age. I grew up with a family that wasn't very religious which allowed me to see everything with a completely open and unbiased mindset. I've yet to see any religion that makes sense and i don't believe god is an all powerful entity. But from a scientific point of view everything had to come from somewhere and i see that something as being god.

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My family wasn't very religious either. I was also raised to have an open mind and unbiased mindset. I chose to become religious later in life and never regretted my decision. I have always had and still do have an open mind and unbiased mindset much like yourself. There are quite a few religious people who were not raised as part of a religion, at least where I am from which may be different where you live I guess.

If people can approach religion with an open mindset i can respect whatever they choose to believe, but if people believe in something becuase its what they where told and have practices ever since they where born then i find it hard to believe they can see any other point of view openly. Also where i live i'm surrounded by mosques, temple, churches, pretty much every religion there is. Its a very religion community, but everyone seems to get along.

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#50 lightleggy
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[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"]So god is a petty little ass that thinks that keeping his existence a mystery is more important then the lives of millions of people?St_JimmyX

so you dont understand that God gives eternal life? a limited life is meaningless infront of an eternal life...

This is the reason why religion is a danger to society.

not encouraging something like "LIFE SUCKS, KILL YOURSEL! AFTER ALL THERES ANOTHER ETERNAL LIFE WAITING!" btw peps... gotta go now, I'll be back tomorrow ;)