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#1 fiscope
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Hello OT I come to you now for some info, and I'm too lazy to wiki, so don't let me down!

I have a friend who is very religious. I talk to her alot, and it's usually fun, but every once and I while she asks me to go to church with her and starts preaching about Jesus.

I am agnostic and this frustrates me. I have a habit of beating on organized religion when I can, a habit I'm trying to curb, so defusing these situations can become a dangerous exercise in self-restraint.

I need to know some more about Christianity, if I'm going to make educated, mature judgements, so here are my questions:

1) When it is said that "Jesus died for our sins," what does this actually mean? Did he somehow absorb the sins and make them go away?

2) What is original sin, and why is everyone said to have committed it?

3) Why are churches anti-birth control, and anti- homosexual?

4) What is baptism, why is it significant.

5) Why is Jesus the way to heaven, and not god? Does that mean people did not go to heaven before jesus came around.

6) Were Mary and Joseph married? If so, why wasn't Mary stoned or punished for bearing a child from someone else other than her husband? Doesn't mother Mary in a way disprove abstinence as being a 100% effective way to prevent unwanted pregnancy? Doesn't that in turn undermine the rule for not having children out of wedlock, since any women could get pregnant at any time, so no matter what the risk is there.

7) Does Christianity blame the jews for killing Jesus. I can't get a straight answer for this.

8. If a new testament of the bible were published NOW, would it be excepted as canon?

I may have more questions later. Please, answer these in intelligent ways, and absolutely NO PREACHING. Converting me is impossible, so please don't waste my time and yours. Thanks for the answers!

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1) When it is said that "Jesus died for our sins," what does this actually mean? Did he somehow absorb the sins and make them go away?

2) What is original sin, and why is everyone said to have committed it?

3) Why are churches anti-birth control, and anti- homosexual?

4) What is baptism, why is it significant.

5) Why is Jesus the way to heaven, and not god? Does that mean people did not go to heaven before jesus came around.

6) Were Mary and Joseph married? If so, why wasn't Mary stoned or punished for bearing a child from someone else other than her husband? Doesn't mother Mary in a way disprove abstinence as being a 100% effective way to prevent unwanted pregnancy? Doesn't that in turn undermine the rule for not having children out of wedlock, since any women could get pregnant at any time, so no matter what the risk is there.

7) Does Christianity blame the jews for killing Jesus. I can't get a straight answer for this.

8) If a new testament of the bible were published NOW, would it be excepted as canon?

I may have more questions later. Please, answer these in intelligent ways, and absolutely NO PREACHING. Converting me is impossible, so please don't waste my time and yours. Thanks for the answers!

fiscope

1. yes, that's the general Idea, you have to believe in him to get the benefit, though.

2. the whole Adam and Eve story.

3. prevents procreation, which is supposedly a staple of the church.

4. baptism is the cleansing of a newborn via a church ceremony, and aside from Catholics I don't think it means that much.

5. Jesus is God, just a different form.

6. I honestly don't know. I guess people just believed she really did have the son of God or something.

7. supposedly the Jews ratted him out to the romans, but again I don't get it.

8. if you mean the new testament, then it would have to be since it details the life of Jesus. if you mean a whole new part of the Bible, then no, otherwise Mormonism would be what most Christians would follow.

-not a Christian, atheist, or agnostic.

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#3 FamiBox
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You're agnostic?

Well... it's all nonsense. Become Atheist.

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#4 -Austin-
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You're agnostic?

Well... it's all nonsense. Become Atheist.

FamiBox

Are you kidding?

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#5 fiscope
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Hewkii thanks for the answers, although not as comprehensive as I would like but good enough. FamiBox, agnosticism is how I really feel, so i'll stick with it. Athiesm is just as hard-lined as religion is, both assume without just proof.
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#6 Denso-GS
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good questions ...
Id like to add
Do u consider Jesus a god ?
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#8 -Austin-
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Alright its about religion, so 200 posts is a given.

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#9 ClawKiller
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good questions ...
Id like to add
Do u consider Jesus a god ?Denso-GS

Isn't Jesus one third of God- The Father, the son and the holy ghost.

The Father- The big guy who supposedly made the world and all that crap

The Son-Jesus who supposedly saved us from sin, but the world didnt make a massive shift did it?

The Ghost: The god type spirit thing which is in everybody.

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#10 fiscope
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Can I get some elaboration on original sin, why jesus replaced god as the way to heaven, and what is happening to the sins we do now?
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#11 FamiBox
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[QUOTE="FamiBox"]

You're agnostic?

Well... it's all nonsense. Become Atheist.

-Austin-

Are you kidding?

Yes.... and no....

Twisted, huh?

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#12 -Austin-
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[QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="FamiBox"]

You're agnostic?

Well... it's all nonsense. Become Atheist.

FamiBox

Are you kidding?

Yes.... and no....

Twisted, huh?

Not really. Kind of stupid though.

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#14 FamiBox
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[QUOTE="FamiBox"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="FamiBox"]

You're agnostic?

Well... it's all nonsense. Become Atheist.

-Austin-

Are you kidding?

Yes.... and no....

Twisted, huh?

Not really. Kind of stupid though.

Thanks.

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Hello OT I come to you now for some info, and I'm too lazy to wiki, so don't let me down!

I have a friend who is very religious. I talk to her alot, and it's usually fun, but every once and I while she asks me to go to church with her and starts preaching about Jesus.

I am agnostic and this frustrates me. I have a habit of beating on organized religion when I can, a habit I'm trying to curb, so defusing these situations can become a dangerous exercise in self-restraint.Keep it that way

I need to know some more about Christianity, if I'm going to make educated, mature judgements, so here are my questions:

1) When it is said that "Jesus died for our sins," what does this actually mean? Did he somehow absorb the sins and make them go away? He died for our sins bassicly means he opened the way to heaven for dying for us on the cross

2) What is original sin, and why is everyone said to have committed it? Original sin is the 1st sin commited by adam and eve by eating the forbidden fruit

3) Why are churches anti-birth control, and anti- homosexual? They think Sex is only for baby making, and ani homo is basicly saying that god made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve

4) What is baptism, why is it significant. It gets rid of Original sin and introduces the religion to you

5) Why is Jesus the way to heaven, and not god? Does that mean people did not go to heaven before jesus came around. Honostly ask a priest

6) Were Mary and Joseph married? If so, why wasn't Mary stoned or punished for bearing a child from someone else other than her husband? Doesn't mother Mary in a way disprove abstinence as being a 100% effective way to prevent unwanted pregnancy? Doesn't that in turn undermine the rule for not having children out of wedlock, since any women could get pregnant at any time, so no matter what the risk is there. they were married but "The will of god" got her pregnant before sex so she was a "Virgin"

7) Does Christianity blame the jews for killing Jesus. I can't get a straight answer for this. You will never get one

8. If a new testament of the bible were published NOW, would it be excepted as canon? i no understand

I may have more questions later. Please, answer these in intelligent ways, and absolutely NO PREACHING. Converting me is impossible, so please don't waste my time and yours. Thanks for the answers!

fiscope
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#16 MasterKingMP
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Uh I am outright offeneded by this thread and the language in it a video game forum is no place for discussions about Christianity or any religon If it is not taken down immediately I will complain directly to Gamespot management by writing a letter and brining it to the attention of the head of my chuch. forum rules say religon i not to be discussed and I do not want to be exposed to such talk I want to be able to browse these forums without worry of viewing any topics about christianity.

Amen

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lol, well this IS Off Topic.

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#17 -Austin-
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Uh I am outright offeneded by this thread and the language in it a video game forum is no place for discussions about Christianity or any religon If it is not taken down immediately I will complain directly to Gamespot management by writing a letter and brining it to the attention of the head of my chuch. forum rules say religon i not to be discussed and I do not want to be exposed to such talk I want to be able to browse these forums without worry of viewing any topics about christianity.

Amen

zim001

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#18 fiscope
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Uh I am outright offeneded by this thread and the language in it a video game forum is no place for discussions about Christianity or any religon If it is not taken down immediately I will complain directly to Gamespot management by writing a letter and brining it to the attention of the head of my chuch. forum rules say religon i not to be discussed and I do not want to be exposed to such talk I want to be able to browse these forums without worry of viewing any topics about christianity.

Amen

zim001
This is not a video game forum it is an off topic forum. And please, report this thread. The mods wont lock it because it doesn't violate any rules, and the mods wont bend to pressure like that. Just let us talk about it and leave the thread.
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#19 -Austin-
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[QUOTE="zim001"]

Uh I am outright offeneded by this thread and the language in it a video game forum is no place for discussions about Christianity or any religon If it is not taken down immediately I will complain directly to Gamespot management by writing a letter and brining it to the attention of the head of my chuch. forum rules say religon i not to be discussed and I do not want to be exposed to such talk I want to be able to browse these forums without worry of viewing any topics about christianity.

Amen

fiscope

This is not a video game forum it is an off topic forum. And please, report this thread. The mods wont lock it because it doesn't violate any rules, and the mods wont bend to pressure like that. Just let us talk about it and leave the thread.

Dude.....his gonna tell the head of his church....we should just close the thread....before we get in anymore trouble...seriously....Im honestly scared....yeah

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Uh I am outright offeneded by this thread and the language in it a video game forum is no place for discussions about Christianity or any religon If it is not taken down immediately I will complain directly to Gamespot management by writing a letter and brining it to the attention of the head of my chuch. forum rules say religon i not to be discussed and I do not want to be exposed to such talk I want to be able to browse these forums without worry of viewing any topics about christianity.

Amen

zim001

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25620483

- Religion and Politics: These topics will always inspire passionate discussion. The important thing to keep in mind is that many people have many different views, and that these will often be in opposition. Keep these threads free of hate speech and personal attacks if you wish to have them.

Topics on religion are allowed.

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1. yes, that's the general Idea, you have to believe in him to get the benefit, though.

2. the whole Adam and Eve story.

3. prevents procreation, which is supposedly a staple of the church.

4. baptism is the cleansing of a newborn via a church ceremony, and aside from Catholics I don't think it means that much.

5. Jesus is God, just a different form.

6. I honestly don't know. I guess people just believed she really did have the son of God or something.

7. supposedly the Jews ratted him out to the romans, but again I don't get it.

8. if you mean the new testament, then it would have to be since it details the life of Jesus. if you mean a whole new part of the Bible, then no, otherwise Mormonism would be what most Christians would follow.

-not a Christian, atheist, or agnostic.

Hewkii

If you don't mind I'd to add a little to that.

1.Jesus was crucified on a cross for your sins. Through him you are cleansed forever. For the Bible says that the wages of sin is death, but God sent Jesus for us so we can have eternal life with him in Heaven.

2.Yes, Adam and Eve were the first to defy God. Therefore all man will sin at somwtime in life.

3.Pretty sure that's right

4.That only takes place in the Catholic church. In my denomination (Baptist) Baptism is a sign to the church congregation that you have become a Christian.

5.Correct

6.God made Mary pregnant, so it was not against any laws.

7.not sure about that one.

8.sorry. Not sure of that one

hope that helps.:)

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#22 bsman00
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blahhh ... you can ask as many questions as you want but i guarantee you wont get a 100% clear crystal answer that makes you go O THat makes sense....... and original sin... what a load of CRAPOLA!

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#23 MasterKingMP
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blahhh ... you can ask as many questions as you want but i guarantee you wont get a 100% clear crystal answer that makes you go O THat makes sense....... and original sin... what a load of CRAPOLA!

bsman00

This.

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Can I get some elaboration on original sin, why jesus replaced god as the way to heaven, and what is happening to the sins we do now?fiscope

As far as I remember (and it's hazy) original sin is something we "inherit" when we are born because adam and eve broke the rules and had sex. As a result of this, every single person is a sinner. That's Original Sin.

I think Jesus replaced God as the way to heaven because he changed the rules in the New Testament. In the OT, the rules were a bit harsher, in the NT, God sends Jesus down to experience the human condition and preach to us the NEW news, says the old laws aren't game anymore, and gave us the new rules. Since he sacrificed himself and died by crucifixion, he took on all the sins that we commit/or will commit. Because of his "son's" sacrifice, he is the new conduit to heaven, rather than God himself.

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#25 fiscope
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So far most people are giving good, concise answers. Thank you!

Some other people are using this as a Christianity bashing thread, please stop, that is not what this thread is about.

Take that to the "Atheists....." thread.

Through education we will build understanding!

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[QUOTE="fiscope"]Can I get some elaboration on original sin, why jesus replaced god as the way to heaven, and what is happening to the sins we do now?Atheos-Arkhaios

As far as I remember (and it's hazy) original sin is something we "inherit" when we are born because adam and eve broke the rules and had sex. As a result of this, every single person is a sinner. That's Original Sin.

I think Jesus replaced God as the way to heaven because he changed the rules in the New Testament. In the OT, the rules were a bit harsher, in the NT, God sends Jesus down to experience the human condition and preach to us the NEW news, says the old laws aren't game anymore, and gave us the new rules. Since he sacrificed himself and died by crucifixion, he took on all the sins that we commit/or will commit. Because of his "son's" sacrifice, he is the new conduit to heaven, rather than God himself.

Is this true?

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#27 -Austin-
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So far most people are giving good, concise answers. Thank you!

Some other people are using this as a Christianity bashing thread, please stop, that is not what this thread is about.

Take that to the "Atheists....." thread.

Through education we will build understanding!

fiscope

Guess I know were I am going.

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#28 Dreams-Visions
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If you have questions about christianity, go post them on a christian forum. Most people here would not be able to answer your questions thoroughly. That should be obvious for a bunch of different reasons.
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If you have questions about christianity, go post them on a christian forum. Most people here would not be able to answer your questions thoroughly. That should be obvious for a bunch of different reasons.Dreams-Visions

Wasn't aware we had christian forums.... >_>

I'll keep that in mind

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#30 Atheos-Arkhaios
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Might I recommend also picking up a bible and trying to read some of it? It would probably help you piece some of this together and give you a better background for more knowledgeable people to answer your questions.

I'm not trying to convert you by the way, I'm an Atheist, but to deny something you have to to understand it first. And I like what you said, something to the effect of through knowledge we can start to understand one another.

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1) When it is said that "Jesus died for our sins," what does this actually mean? Did he somehow absorb the sins and make them go away?

2) What is original sin, and why is everyone said to have committed it?

3) Why are churches anti-birth control, and anti- homosexual?

4) What is baptism, why is it significant.

5) Why is Jesus the way to heaven, and not god? Does that mean people did not go to heaven before jesus came around.

6) Were Mary and Joseph married? If so, why wasn't Mary stoned or punished for bearing a child from someone else other than her husband? Doesn't mother Mary in a way disprove abstinence as being a 100% effective way to prevent unwanted pregnancy? Doesn't that in turn undermine the rule for not having children out of wedlock, since any women could get pregnant at any time, so no matter what the risk is there.

7) Does Christianity blame the jews for killing Jesus. I can't get a straight answer for this.

8. If a new testament of the bible were published NOW, would it be excepted as canon?

I may have more questions later. Please, answer these in intelligent ways, and absolutely NO PREACHING. Converting me is impossible, so please don't waste my time and yours. Thanks for the answers!

fiscope

1. It means that His dying on the cross took away any need for animal sacrifice which is what was required beforehand. His dying for the sins of mankind was God sacrificing his son for us and belief and faith is all that is necessary now.

2. Has already been answered, but yes, original sin is that of Adam and Eve eating of the forbidden tree.

3. I'm not completely sure all churches are anti-birth control, but I believe it has to do with God telling Adam and Eve to go forth and multiply...can't do that when one is preventing it. As for homosexuality, there are verses in the Bible that talk against it. I can't recall off hand where exactly, I know there's a verse in either Deuteronomy or Leviticus, and another verse/passage in I or II Corinthians...

4. Catholics and Church of England tend to Christen babies. Baptists and other protestant denominations baptize adults or teens (I was 8 when I was baptized)...I can't speak for christenings, but for baptism it's a sign of our faith in Jesus and only those who know what baptism signifies is allowed to be baptized.

5. Before Jesus came, those that believed in God and worshipped him alone and followed His commandments would be most likely in heaven. Those like Moses, David, Solomon etc...

6. Mary did marry Joseph, and she would have been stoned but was not because Joseph married her because God said he should...

7. Some Christians may, I don't...as Jesus said, "Forgive them, for they know not what they do."

8. I'm at a loss as to what you are getting at here exactly. Are you asking if someone completely wrote a new New Testament would it be canonized? If so, no...at least not rightly in my opinion.

I shall leave you with one last verse: Matthew 19:26 "But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible."

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[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]If you have questions about christianity, go post them on a christian forum. Most people here would not be able to answer your questions thoroughly. That should be obvious for a bunch of different reasons.fiscope

Wasn't aware we had christian forums.... >_>

I'll keep that in mind

I think he meant somewhere else than GS, I don't think there's a Christianity forum here haha.

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[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]If you have questions about christianity, go post them on a christian forum. Most people here would not be able to answer your questions thoroughly. That should be obvious for a bunch of different reasons.fiscope

Wasn't aware we had christian forums.... >_>

I'll keep that in mind

google "christian forums". I think you're smart enough to handle that task. you found gamespot's forums. now find someone else's who can answer your questions.

If you really want Christian answers, that's what you'll do. Simple logic. And if you don't want real answers, you'll spend your time asking the questions here, amongst the ignorant, inexpereinced and undereducated.

You don't go to a car forum to ask about modern warplanes. you don't go to a gaming website to get real answers about religion.

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#35 ElectronicMagic
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Are you going to go to church because your friend is pushing it on you?

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#36 fiscope
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[QUOTE="fiscope"]

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]If you have questions about christianity, go post them on a christian forum. Most people here would not be able to answer your questions thoroughly. That should be obvious for a bunch of different reasons.Dreams-Visions

Wasn't aware we had christian forums.... >_>

I'll keep that in mind

google "christian forums". I think you're smart enough to handle that task. you found gamespot's forums. now find someone else's who can answer your questions.

If you really want Christian answers, that's what you'll do. Simple logic. And if you don't want real answers, you'll spend your time asking the questions here, amongst the ignorant, inexpereinced and undereducated.

You don't go to a car forum to ask about modern warplanes. you don't go to a gaming website to get real answers about religion.

Then I would have to join those forums. I am not going to sign up for a forum when there is a perfectly viable one here. So far I have recieved some good responses.

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Uh I am outright offeneded by this thread and the language in it a video game forum is no place for discussions about Christianity or any religon If it is not taken down immediately I will complain directly to Gamespot management by writing a letter and brining it to the attention of the head of my chuch. forum rules say religon i not to be discussed and I do not want to be exposed to such talk I want to be able to browse these forums without worry of viewing any topics about christianity.

Amen

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What part of 'Off Topic' do you not understand?

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#38 fiscope
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Are you going to go to church because your friend is pushing it on you?

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Mostly. I'm a jewish by birth so it feels awkward regardless. If I had an idea of what was going on myabe I would enjoy it more.

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#39 markop2003
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1. Basically yes

2. Basically going against the 10 comandments i think

3. Every sperm is sacred, homosexual;ity is a sin

4. Becoming part of the church

5. Jesus, god and the holy spirit are all one being, jesus is like the way through from this world

6. ... good question... i guess they were married as they both went to joseph's home town

7. Not as a whole but there are some who think so

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#40 Zaeryn
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Uh I am outright offeneded by this thread and the language in it a video game forum is no place for discussions about Christianity or any religon If it is not taken down immediately I will complain directly to Gamespot management by writing a letter and brining it to the attention of the head of my chuch. forum rules say religon i not to be discussed and I do not want to be exposed to such talk I want to be able to browse these forums without worry of viewing any topics about christianity.

Amen

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#41 legend26
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[QUOTE="ElectronicMagic"]

Are you going to go to church because your friend is pushing it on you?

fiscope

Mostly. I'm a jewish by birth so it feels awkward regardless. If I had an idea of what was going on myabe I would enjoy it more.

heres your answer, BELEAVE what you want, dont try to let your friend convert you, tell her you want her to respect you and leave it alone, if it makes you uncomfortable.
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#42 skivit
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[QUOTE="fiscope"]

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]If you have questions about christianity, go post them on a christian forum. Most people here would not be able to answer your questions thoroughly. That should be obvious for a bunch of different reasons.Dreams-Visions

Wasn't aware we had christian forums.... >_>

I'll keep that in mind

google "christian forums". I think you're smart enough to handle that task. you found gamespot's forums. now find someone else's who can answer your questions.

If you really want Christian answers, that's what you'll do. Simple logic. And if you don't want real answers, you'll spend your time asking the questions here, amongst the ignorant, inexpereinced and undereducated.

You don't go to a car forum to ask about modern warplanes. you don't go to a gaming website to get real answers about religion.



What are you on about... Sure not everyone here is an expert on religion, but there are bound to be a few here that are. Not everyone here is an expert of politics but there are bound to be a few here that are. Not everyone is an expert of science but there are bound to be a few here that are.

Going by your logic, no one should post anything here as we ay not all be experts on it. We should all just leave this site and use specialist sites as this forum is now obsolete.
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#43 Tiefster
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1. Through dying he became a savior and having knowledge of this he died so he could help us absolve our sins as the lord and savior of anyone who accepts him as so.

2. Original sin is the Adam and Eve story pretty much. Because they were exiled people are born with it.

3. It hinders procreation which is supported by the church and the bible (I think)

4. Baptism cleanses original sin but in some sects of christianity it can have a more significant meaning such as starting a new life or cleansing yourself of your current sins.

5. People went to heaven before Jesus and they still go without him. Christians just believe that Christ is the true path to heaven while Jews and Muslims would have to disagree.

6. Joseph and Mary were married I think. She wasn't stoned or cast out because the child was from God. Don't forget that a lot these people are Jewish and believe in the same singular god. She disproves abstinence but it was tradition for families to have many children at the time, something the bible won't tell you.

7. I don't know. A lot of sources I've read portray it this way but you have to understand the circumstances. You are a citizen in a Roman province where there has been violence about your Jewish beliefs. Would you rather create the illusion that you have no problem with Jesus dying or would you rather cause a bigger stir by putting a more radical twist on your already shunned beliefs?

8. There would probably be another council to decide what is acceptable and what isn't acceptable.

Gee, I never thought Catholic school would come in handy, now I can help people on OT :roll: worst years of my life...
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#44 ShadowFlood
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Hello OT I come to you now for some info, and I'm too lazy to wiki, so don't let me down!

I have a friend who is very religious. I talk to her alot, and it's usually fun, but every once and I while she asks me to go to church with her and starts preaching about Jesus.

I am agnostic and this frustrates me. I have a habit of beating on organized religion when I can, a habit I'm trying to curb, so defusing these situations can become a dangerous exercise in self-restraint.

I need to know some more about Christianity, if I'm going to make educated, mature judgements, so here are my questions:

1) When it is said that "Jesus died for our sins," what does this actually mean? Did he somehow absorb the sins and make them go away? He basically took your punishment for you, but only for his "sheep"as in those who know him

2) What is original sin, and why is everyone said to have committed it?Original sin is the very first sin adam created, that sin was putting yourself before God, and to sin you must do that,

3) Why are churches anti-birth control, and anti- homosexual?most churches believe that life begins at conception, and birth control unattaches the fertilized cell, killing it. and there's nothing i can do about homosexuals, its their choice but I in now way approve of thier behavior, but they are still people and we are called to love them just as anyone else

4) What is baptism, why is it significant. It is a step of obedience to christ, an outward showing of your salvation, however it means nothing if you are a baby or aren't saved. but the point is it does not save you in any way.

5) Why is Jesus the way to heaven, and not god? Does that mean people did not go to heaven before jesus came around.no Jesus is God in the flesh, and people could get to heaven before Jesus came around.

6) Were Mary and Joseph married? If so, why wasn't Mary stoned or punished for bearing a child from someone else other than her husband? Doesn't mother Mary in a way disprove abstinence as being a 100% effective way to prevent unwanted pregnancy? Doesn't that in turn undermine the rule for not having children out of wedlock, since any women could get pregnant at any time, so no matter what the risk is there. ahh but that rule only applies if you have an angel come to you and your husband and tell you you are going to give birth to jesus. and the bible specifically tells us Jesus will not come again like that. so it is now 100% effective

7) Does Christianity blame the jews for killing Jesus. I can't get a straight answer for this. No, we blame sin for killing jesus, and jesus chose to be sacrificed so the jews really wouldn't matter anyways.

8. If a new testament of the bible were published NOW, would it be excepted as canon? probably not,Jesus claimed anything written too far after his time on earth was most likely false. and the bible is complete as is now anyways,

I may have more questions later. Please, answer these in intelligent ways, and absolutely NO PREACHING. Converting me is impossible, so please don't waste my time and yours. Thanks for the answers!

fiscope

this is what i think

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#45 Dreams-Visions
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[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="fiscope"]

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]If you have questions about christianity, go post them on a christian forum. Most people here would not be able to answer your questions thoroughly. That should be obvious for a bunch of different reasons.skivit

Wasn't aware we had christian forums.... >_>

I'll keep that in mind

google "christian forums". I think you're smart enough to handle that task. you found gamespot's forums. now find someone else's who can answer your questions.

If you really want Christian answers, that's what you'll do. Simple logic. And if you don't want real answers, you'll spend your time asking the questions here, amongst the ignorant, inexpereinced and undereducated.

You don't go to a car forum to ask about modern warplanes. you don't go to a gaming website to get real answers about religion.



What are you on about... Sure not everyone here is an expert on religion, but there are bound to be a few here that are. Not everyone here is an expert of politics but there are bound to be a few here that are. Not everyone is an expert of science but there are bound to be a few here that are.

Going by your logic, no one should post anything here as we ay not all be experts on it. We should all just leave this site and use specialist sites as this forum is now obsolete.

you come here looking for profound truth?

I feel sorry for you if that's the case. This place is for entertainment and nothing else. Most people here post stupid stuff all day long. Crack jokes. Make fun of others political affiliations or religious preferences. It's mostly the blind leading the blind.

If you want TRUTH about science...go where science is talked about most.

If you want TRUTH about why a religion believes what it does...go to where those people are.

If you want TRUTH about law or the best treatment for some form of cancer...you go where there are people who have knwoledge of such things.

This is a VIDEOGAME web form. A subset of it. People here speak on what they *think* they know...what was engrained in them as children...what they think they learned in high school. There is very little that is said here that anyone should bet their house and car on.

Bottom line: if someone wants real answers (not half-answers...but answers that can fully answer questions and retorts), they should go where those answers can be found.

In this case, you go to a religious forum. Or go to a pastor. Or go to a theologian.

But asking serious questions on a videogaming forum is asking for soemthing this place can't give someone: Peace of mind in an answer. Unabated truth that isn't subject to all kind of stupid argument.

What am I on about here? I'm on about entertainment. I'm on to talk. I'm not here to seek TRUTH...and anyone who is really is wasting their time here.

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#46 Dreams-Visions
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[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="fiscope"]

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]If you have questions about christianity, go post them on a christian forum. Most people here would not be able to answer your questions thoroughly. That should be obvious for a bunch of different reasons.fiscope

Wasn't aware we had christian forums.... >_>

I'll keep that in mind

google "christian forums". I think you're smart enough to handle that task. you found gamespot's forums. now find someone else's who can answer your questions.

If you really want Christian answers, that's what you'll do. Simple logic. And if you don't want real answers, you'll spend your time asking the questions here, amongst the ignorant, inexpereinced and undereducated.

You don't go to a car forum to ask about modern warplanes. you don't go to a gaming website to get real answers about religion.

Then I would have to join those forums. I am not going to sign up for a forum when there is a perfectly viable one here. So far I have recieved some good responses.

You'll get some decent answers, but the best answers can be found elsewhere.

Obviously.

As if the 3 minutes it would take you to sign up somewhere else matters if you think said forum could give you answers that could impact the rest of your lifetime. :|

If you want real answers, you know what to do. If you don't...just keep doing this. Consulting kids for answers to some of the heaviest, arguably most important questions you'll ever have.

When you're ready for real answers with worthy replies, go here;

http://christianforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=792

some of the questions already have posted answers.

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They were probably all answered, btu I'll answer too

1) When it is said that "Jesus died for our sins," what does this actually mean? Did he somehow absorb the sins and make them go away? He did take on the sins of the whole world, and by believing that he died on the cross for us, our sins will be forgiven

2) What is original sin, and why is everyone said to have committed it? Adam and Eve fell into sin, so all their descendants (us) were born into sin

3) Why are churches anti-birth control, and anti- homosexual? Birth control is killing babies that God created, homosexuals are perverting the relationships God intended (one man, one woman)

4) What is baptism, why is it significant. Baptising is entering God's Holy Family

5) Why is Jesus the way to heaven, and not god? Does that mean people did not go to heaven before jesus came around. If people belived that Jesus would come to take away the sins of the whole world, they would go to Heaven even though Jesus wasn't there yet.

6) Were Mary and Joseph married? If so, why wasn't Mary stoned or punished for bearing a child from someone else other than her husband? Doesn't mother Mary in a way disprove abstinence as being a 100% effective way to prevent unwanted pregnancy? Doesn't that in turn undermine the rule for not having children out of wedlock, since any women could get pregnant at any time, so no matter what the risk is there. They were married, but planned to quietly divorce. Jesus was sent from God the Father, born specially so he could not be branded as simply being human, but as being true God and true Man.

7) Does Christianity blame the jews for killing Jesus. I can't get a straight answer for this. No one is really blamed, they were just people God used to fulfill the prophesy that Jesus would live and die on Earth.

fiscope

By the way, get off TC's case, he wanted to find some answers here, we have religous discussions every day, he didn't do anything wrong by coming here.

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Then maybe you should stay out of this particular board instead of trying to stifle the mostly intelligent conversation taking place herein.

edit:

This is directed at those who are complaining about the existence of this thread, not at those who are participating in its discussion, just in case I was not clear.

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#49 diped
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1) When it is said that "Jesus died for our sins," what does this actually mean? Did he somehow absorb the sins and make them go away?

2) What is original sin, and why is everyone said to have committed it?

3) Why are churches anti-birth control, and anti- homosexual?

4) What is baptism, why is it significant.

5) Why is Jesus the way to heaven, and not god? Does that mean people did not go to heaven before jesus came around.

6) Were Mary and Joseph married? If so, why wasn't Mary stoned or punished for bearing a child from someone else other than her husband? Doesn't mother Mary in a way disprove abstinence as being a 100% effective way to prevent unwanted pregnancy? Doesn't that in turn undermine the rule for not having children out of wedlock, since any women could get pregnant at any time, so no matter what the risk is there.

7) Does Christianity blame the jews for killing Jesus. I can't get a straight answer for this.

8. If a new testament of the bible were published NOW, would it be excepted as canon?

fiscope

1. Jesus died for our sins, basically when he died he reopened the gates to heaven. Which were closed because of Eve from Adam and Eve. Basically he gave up his own life so that all of humanity would be able to enter the gates of heaven again.

2. Original sin is from the story of adam and eve. They were in the garden of eden, which was a beautiful place filled with creatures and trees. They could do anything they want but god said they couldn't eat from a specific tree. So Eve being the fool she is, went near the tree and heard a snake who tricked/convinced her to eat the fruit. She in turn I think (I haven't studied christianity in while since I was forced to in highschool) got Adam to eat the fruit. God god pissed, and cast them out of the garden of eden and closed the gates of heaven.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure the catholic church has recognized the story of adam and eve as a giant metaphor, its not to be taken literally. (Like most of the bible, but I digress.)

3. Because they stop natural reproduction.

4. Baptism happens most often when you are a baby, you get "holy water" poured over your head and you are now a follow of christianity. Its not significant at all, at least outside of the religion. But it does signify you entering the religion.

5. Jesus is the incarnation of god on earth. He is a part of the holy trinity. He is god in the flesh. The human form of god.

6. They were married. They weren't stoned because an angel came to joseph after he found out and before he could tell people, so I would assume they kept it a secret. Mary was a virgin when she concieved jesus. Joseph went along with it because the angel told him it was gods plan.

Absitence is a 100% effective way to avoid pregnancy, unless an angel comes to you and makes your pregnant. It doesn't disprove the fact at all.

7. I'm not sure, jews did have a part in the prosecution of jesus. But the jews of today aren't the same people. So they deserve no blame really.

8. I doubt it. They have discovered some very ancient documents, but they were supressed because they went against some things (like the fact that jesus wasn't married).

Thats all I can answer, I'd also like to say that I'm not longer really a practicing christian. I would consider myself agnostic too, but I was basically forced to learn about this stuff in catholic school until I finished highschool. At least in highschool you learn about other religions, so at least its partially useful.

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By the way, before I answer your questions, please do not take anything I say as preaching. I respect your beliefs, and I am not trying to change them; it is totally your call what you believe, and again, I respect that. Having said that though, please do not trust everything you see about Christianity on this forum; it seems to me that some of the posts are really misrepresentative of the faith as a whole, and thus if you really do want to be able to understand (and defend your beliefs against) Christianity, you should look for the truth behind the matter, not lies spread by those who have never read the Bible in the first place. Feel free to PM me with any other questions you may have, if you wish.

1) When it is said that "Jesus died for our sins," what does this actually mean? Did he somehow absorb the sins and make them go away?

Basically, according to the Bible, all humans are sinful. This means that Christians believe we are unable to get to heaven when we die without someone to take the punishment that we deserve for our sins. Since no human being would be able to die for the sins of the entire world (he himself being required to pay for his own sins), and since God still loved human beings despite their sinfulness, Jesus died to pay the punishment for the sins of the entire world. So he did not necessarily absorb their sins, but he did pay the punishment they were going to pay.

2) What is original sin, and why is everyone said to have committed it?

According to Christians, original sin is the idea that because Adam and Eve rebelled against God in the Garden of Eden (for more backstory read Genesis 1-3, if you wish), sin entered humanity's spiritual bloodline, giving them and all of their descendants down to modern times what is referred to as a "sin nature." Basically, human beings are incapable of being good because of this sin nature; thus, since every single person has committed at least one sin because of this "sin nature," everyone is guilty of "original sin."

3) Why are churches anti-birth control, and anti- homosexual?

Most churches believe that birth control is an early way of killing an unborn child, and obviously killing another human being is against both the Old Testament law and the New Testament teachings of Jesus. As for homosexuality, like another poster said on this thread, it is considered a perversion of the natural marriage covenant ordained by God to be between a man and a woman.

4) What is baptism, why is it significant.

Functionally, baptism is immersion in a pool of water to represent the washing away of one's sins and emerging as a new person. Christians see baptism as a way of identifying themselves publicly with Jesus Christ, because Jesus himself was baptized by John the Baptist, and he told his followers to do likewise. Contrary to what some sects say, however, the Bible never says that baptism is necessary for salvation.

5) Why is Jesus the way to heaven, and not god? Does that mean people did not go to heaven before jesus came around.

But according to the Bible, Jesus is equally God and man together in one earthly body, only without sin. So technically, if you are saying that Jesus is the way to heaven, you are in essence saying that God is the way to heaven, and vice versa. Again, like a previous poster put it, the people before Jesus went to heaven if they believed that Jesus would come to die for their sins and lived by the Old Testament law. Since he had not yet come to pay the price for their sins, they needed to offer animal sacrifices until he came as the final sacrifice for their sins.

6) Were Mary and Joseph married? If so, why wasn't Mary stoned or punished for bearing a child from someone else other than her husband? Doesn't mother Mary in a way disprove abstinence as being a 100% effective way to prevent unwanted pregnancy? Doesn't that in turn undermine the rule for not having children out of wedlock, since any women could get pregnant at any time, so no matter what the risk is there.

Absolutely. There were no sexual relations involved in order for Mary to bear Jesus; it was a supernatural occurrence, and thus did not qualify as an offense against Old Testament law. She became pregnant, according to the Bible, while she was still a virgin, before she married Joseph, so there could be no mistake that he was not the baby's father. In fact, it is interesting that you should mention her being stoned, because if the religious leaders and self-righteous people of the time had their way, she would have been stoned, because they did not actually believe that her baby had come from God; instead, they (and Joseph, until God told him otherwise) believed that she had been unfaithful to him, and wanted to punish her for it. On a side note, it is not possible for a girl to get pregnant without sexual activity today. Mary's case was a one-time occurrence through supernatural action by God, and since the Bible says that Jesus was God's one and only son, that means that he will not be supernaturally impregnating any more girls today. So no, the effectiveness of abstinence is not disproved by the virgin birth of Jesus.

7) Does Christianity blame the jews for killing Jesus. I can't get a straight answer for this.

Absolutely not. And do me a favor, slap the next person who tries to tell you they do. Jesus himself was a Jew; how then could the Jews logically be blamed for his death? The only people who spread this odious lie are those who wish to use Christianity to further their own hateful racist purposes. In reality, Christians believe that everyone (including Christians, i.e., all human beings) are responsible for the death of Jesus, since everyone has sinned, and if no one sinned, Jesus would not have needed to die to pay their punishment for them. Those who try to heap the blame on the Jews are not true Christians, because instead of acknowledging that they had a hand in his death, they try to shove the blame off on others.

8. If a new testament of the bible were published NOW, would it be excepted as canon?

There can be no new testament beyond what is already written. The Old Testament tells of the creation of mankind, their fall, and their need for a savior; the New Testament tells of the coming of that savior (Jesus), his sacrifice, and his eventual return for those who believe in him. Nothing more is needed; God's plan with regard to the human race is already spelled out. Thus anything else added to it would be erroneous, and not acceptable as canon.

fiscope

On a final note, I want to thank you for asking these questions instead of listening to so many others who try to blatantly attack the Christian faith with lies and slander rather than facts. Too many non-Christians try to defend their beliefs with slanderous attacks on Christianity, rather than seeking to understand both sides and presenting well-reasoned, logical arguments to defend their personal beliefs and opinions against Christianity. While I personally am a Christian, I respect your beliefs, and will not attempt to change them unless invited to do so (which, I noticed, you very explicitly told me NOT to do:) ). Anyway, I wish you the best, and I hope I have sufficiently answered all of your questions. Again, if you wish to further discuss anything pertaining to this matter with me, feel free to PM me any time. I promise I will not try to convert you:D.