Questions on Christianity

I have some questions of the Christian faith. If Christians have the Old Testament as part of their bible, why dont they keep Kosher, also why is thier sabbath on sunday.

Plus... I have quetions on the divinity of Jesus. Moses was a great prophet as well, but he doesnt get a religion. Why does a preacher from Nazareth have more divinity than Moses, a person that talked to god on multiple occasions? I respect Jesus as a good person, but many people have been executed due to their beliefs.

Plase dont get me wrong I am just a little curious.

Jesus has divinity becuase he is God. Moses was not. As for the laws of the Jewish religion....they were from an era long gone and not a basis of the faith.LJS9502_basic

But I thought to Christians, Jesus was the son of god. Plus if Christianshave the Old Testament in their bible, shouldnt they follow it too?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Jesus has divinity becuase he is God. Moses was not. As for the laws of the Jewish religion....they were from an era long gone and not a basis of the faith.Monty151

But I thought to Christians, Jesus was the son of god. Plus if Christianshave the Old Testament in their bible, shouldnt they follow it too?

Three persons in one... Have you read the words of Jesus? He answered those concerns. They laws of man weren't the basis of faith.

he is the son of god but also is godryangb

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[QUOTE="ryangb"]he is the son of god but also is godMonty151

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I don't understand it either.

[QUOTE="Monty151"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Jesus has divinity becuase he is God. Moses was not. As for the laws of the Jewish religion....they were from an era long gone and not a basis of the faith.LJS9502_basic

But I thought to Christians, Jesus was the son of god. Plus if Christianshave the Old Testament in their bible, shouldnt they follow it too?

Three persons in one... Have you read the words of Jesus? He answered those concerns. They laws of man weren't the basis of faith.

God is in the persons: God the Father (as seen a lot in the Old Testament), God the Son (Jesus when He was on Earth), and God the Holy Spirit (the living God inside all of us). This message is no intention to to contradict or argue with the above post.

I have some questions of the Christian faith. If Christians have the Old Testament as part of their bible, why dont they keep Kosher, also why is thier sabbath on sunday.

Sunday is the day of "God's rest" after he allegedly created the world in 7 days.

Plus... I have quetions on the divinity of Jesus. Moses was a great prophet as well, but he doesnt get a religion. Why does a preacher from Nazareth have more divinity than Moses, a person that talked to god on multiple occasions? I respect Jesus as a good person, but many people have been executed due to their beliefs.

Jesus was the son of God, or so we believe.

Plase dont get me wrong I am just a little curious.

Monty151

Sorry if that was inadequate, it's the best I can do right now.

[QUOTE="ryangb"]he is the son of god but also is godMonty151

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this is why religious people have to skew the hell out of their beliefs to make them reasonable. "we don't understand god's reasoning!!!" they say. clever tactic.

[QUOTE="Monty151"]

[QUOTE="ryangb"]he is the son of god but also is godPlasmaBeam44

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I don't understand it either.

where does the trinity come from anyway?

[QUOTE="Monty151"]

[QUOTE="ryangb"]he is the son of god but also is godwilly279

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this is why religious people have to skew the hell out of their beliefs to make them reasonable. "we don't understand god's reasoning!!!" they say. clever tactic.

...what? Can you guys elaborate a bit here?

Jesus has divinity becuase he is God. Moses was not. As for the laws of the Jewish religion....they were from an era long gone and not a basis of the faith.LJS9502_basic

So in other words the ten commandments and every other decree laid out in the old testament are null and void right?

Anyway, to answer the whole issue about Jesus being both the son of god and god: He is both. What God did, at least this has always been my understanding and the way I was taught, was that he seperated himself into three beings: God, the holy spirit, and Jesus. So all three are different beings but they're still the same god.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Jesus has divinity becuase he is God. Moses was not. As for the laws of the Jewish religion....they were from an era long gone and not a basis of the faith.gameguy6700

So in other words the ten commandments and every other decree laid out in the old testament are null and void right?

Anyway, to answer the whole issue about Jesus being both the son of god and god: He is both. What God did, at least this has always been my understanding and the way I was taught, was that he seperated himself into three beings: God, the holy spirit, and Jesus. So all three are different beings but they're still the same god.

Yes, it is called the hole trinity.

The Father (God)

The Son (Jesus)

The Holy Spirit ( Spirit of God)

They are all God but all different beings three in one and one in three.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Jesus has divinity becuase he is God. Moses was not. As for the laws of the Jewish religion....they were from an era long gone and not a basis of the faith.gameguy6700

So in other words the ten commandments and every other decree laid out in the old testament are null and void right?

Nein, Jesus tells us that what goes into the mouth of man is much less important than what cames out of a man's mouth(speech). Pretty much everything but the Leviticus diet (Kosher) is withheld today. To make the 10 commandments simpler to understand, however, Christ says that as long as you love God with all of your strength, and you love other people as you love yourself, you are following the commandments (you wouldn't kill, steal from, or have an affair with the wife of a person you loved)... unless you already knew that and you were just trying to correct him in a sarcasmy way =/

Anyway, to answer the whole issue about Jesus being both the son of god and god: He is both. What God did, at least this has always been my understanding and the way I was taught, was that he seperated himself into three beings: God, the holy spirit, and Jesus. So all three are different beings but they're still the same god.

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Jesus has divinity becuase he is God. Moses was not. As for the laws of the Jewish religion....they were from an era long gone and not a basis of the faith.Lab392

So in other words the ten commandments and every other decree laid out in the old testament are null and void right?

Nein, Jesus tells us that what goes into the mouth of man is much less important than what cames out of a man's mouth(speech). Pretty much everything but the Leviticus diet (Kosher) is withheld today. To make the 10 commandments simpler to understand, however, Christ says that as long as you love God with all of your strength, and you love other people as you love yourself, you are following the commandments (you wouldn't kill, steal from, or have an affair with the wife of a person you loved)... unless you already knew that and you were just trying to correct him in a sarcasmy way =/

Anyway, to answer the whole issue about Jesus being both the son of god and god: He is both. What God did, at least this has always been my understanding and the way I was taught, was that he seperated himself into three beings: God, the holy spirit, and Jesus. So all three are different beings but they're still the same god.

Everything is kept in the old testament except the kosher diet eh? So when in Exodus when it instructs me how to properly sell my daughter into slavery and how to properly treat my slaves (where "treat" includes everything on how long to keep them to how to beat them correctly), that's still upheld? What about the part where it says to stone children who disrespect their parents? There's a lot of horrible stuff that's endorsed in the old testament. I just have to wonder what the rule is for determining what stuff is kept and which stuff is thrown out. But then again if God is all-knowing then shouldn't he have gotten all this right the first time around? Especially the stuff about slavery, you think an all kind, all knowing god wouldn't even endorse slavery in the first place.

That's my biggest question about Christianity: Why is it that Christians feel that they're able to pick and choose which parts of their religion they should follow? I mean the nature of dogma is that its all or nothing, you don't get to say "well, I don't agree with this so its out...oh but we certainly can't have our religion without this other stuff..."

[QUOTE="Lab392"][QUOTE="gameguy6700"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Jesus has divinity becuase he is God. Moses was not. As for the laws of the Jewish religion....they were from an era long gone and not a basis of the faith.gameguy6700

So in other words the ten commandments and every other decree laid out in the old testament are null and void right?

Nein, Jesus tells us that what goes into the mouth of man is much less important than what cames out of a man's mouth(speech). Pretty much everything but the Leviticus diet (Kosher) is withheld today. To make the 10 commandments simpler to understand, however, Christ says that as long as you love God with all of your strength, and you love other people as you love yourself, you are following the commandments (you wouldn't kill, steal from, or have an affair with the wife of a person you loved)... unless you already knew that and you were just trying to correct him in a sarcasmy way =/

Anyway, to answer the whole issue about Jesus being both the son of god and god: He is both. What God did, at least this has always been my understanding and the way I was taught, was that he seperated himself into three beings: God, the holy spirit, and Jesus. So all three are different beings but they're still the same god.

Everything is kept in the old testament except the kosher diet eh? So when in Exodus when it instructs me how to properly sell my daughter into slavery and how to properly treat my slaves (where "treat" includes everything on how long to keep them to how to beat them correctly), that's still upheld? What about the part where it says to stone children who disrespect their parents? There's a lot of horrible stuff that's endorsed in the old testament. I just have to wonder what the rule is for determining what stuff is kept and which stuff is thrown out. But then again if God is all-knowing then shouldn't he have gotten all this right the first time around? Especially the stuff about slavery, you think an all kind, all knowing god wouldn't even endorse slavery in the first place.

That's my biggest question about Christianity: Why is it that Christians feel that they're able to pick and choose which parts of their religion they should follow? I mean the nature of dogma is that its all or nothing, you don't get to say "well, I don't agree with this so its out...oh but we certainly can't have our religion without this other stuff..."

we don't follow the old testament... like my Christian buddies have said numerous times...

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"][QUOTE="Lab392"][QUOTE="gameguy6700"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Jesus has divinity becuase he is God. Moses was not. As for the laws of the Jewish religion....they were from an era long gone and not a basis of the faith.battlefront23

So in other words the ten commandments and every other decree laid out in the old testament are null and void right?

Nein, Jesus tells us that what goes into the mouth of man is much less important than what cames out of a man's mouth(speech). Pretty much everything but the Leviticus diet (Kosher) is withheld today. To make the 10 commandments simpler to understand, however, Christ says that as long as you love God with all of your strength, and you love other people as you love yourself, you are following the commandments (you wouldn't kill, steal from, or have an affair with the wife of a person you loved)... unless you already knew that and you were just trying to correct him in a sarcasmy way =/

Anyway, to answer the whole issue about Jesus being both the son of god and god: He is both. What God did, at least this has always been my understanding and the way I was taught, was that he seperated himself into three beings: God, the holy spirit, and Jesus. So all three are different beings but they're still the same god.

Everything is kept in the old testament except the kosher diet eh? So when in Exodus when it instructs me how to properly sell my daughter into slavery and how to properly treat my slaves (where "treat" includes everything on how long to keep them to how to beat them correctly), that's still upheld? What about the part where it says to stone children who disrespect their parents? There's a lot of horrible stuff that's endorsed in the old testament. I just have to wonder what the rule is for determining what stuff is kept and which stuff is thrown out. But then again if God is all-knowing then shouldn't he have gotten all this right the first time around? Especially the stuff about slavery, you think an all kind, all knowing god wouldn't even endorse slavery in the first place.

That's my biggest question about Christianity: Why is it that Christians feel that they're able to pick and choose which parts of their religion they should follow? I mean the nature of dogma is that its all or nothing, you don't get to say "well, I don't agree with this so its out...oh but we certainly can't have our religion without this other stuff..."

we don't follow the old testament... like my Christian buddies have said numerous times...

Then back to my first post, that means the ten commandments are out. You're free to go rape, steal, and kill. It also means all the crap about homosexuality is also thrown out, so someone tell the fundamentalists that they can stop hating on the gays.

But like I said before, why would an omniscient god ever change his mind about something? I can understand changing the rules about sacrifices after Jesus was killed, but anything else doesn't really seem connected to that.

[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="gameguy6700"][QUOTE="Lab392"][QUOTE="gameguy6700"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Jesus has divinity becuase he is God. Moses was not. As for the laws of the Jewish religion....they were from an era long gone and not a basis of the faith.gameguy6700

So in other words the ten commandments and every other decree laid out in the old testament are null and void right?

Nein, Jesus tells us that what goes into the mouth of man is much less important than what cames out of a man's mouth(speech). Pretty much everything but the Leviticus diet (Kosher) is withheld today. To make the 10 commandments simpler to understand, however, Christ says that as long as you love God with all of your strength, and you love other people as you love yourself, you are following the commandments (you wouldn't kill, steal from, or have an affair with the wife of a person you loved)... unless you already knew that and you were just trying to correct him in a sarcasmy way =/

Anyway, to answer the whole issue about Jesus being both the son of god and god: He is both. What God did, at least this has always been my understanding and the way I was taught, was that he seperated himself into three beings: God, the holy spirit, and Jesus. So all three are different beings but they're still the same god.

Everything is kept in the old testament except the kosher diet eh? So when in Exodus when it instructs me how to properly sell my daughter into slavery and how to properly treat my slaves (where "treat" includes everything on how long to keep them to how to beat them correctly), that's still upheld? What about the part where it says to stone children who disrespect their parents? There's a lot of horrible stuff that's endorsed in the old testament. I just have to wonder what the rule is for determining what stuff is kept and which stuff is thrown out. But then again if God is all-knowing then shouldn't he have gotten all this right the first time around? Especially the stuff about slavery, you think an all kind, all knowing god wouldn't even endorse slavery in the first place.

That's my biggest question about Christianity: Why is it that Christians feel that they're able to pick and choose which parts of their religion they should follow? I mean the nature of dogma is that its all or nothing, you don't get to say "well, I don't agree with this so its out...oh but we certainly can't have our religion without this other stuff..."

we don't follow the old testament... like my Christian buddies have said numerous times...

Then back to my first post, that means the ten commandments are out. You're free to go rape, steal, and kill. It also means all the crap about homosexuality is also thrown out, so someone tell the fundamentalists that they can stop hating on the gays.

But like I said before, why would an omniscient god ever change his mind about something? I can understand changing the rules about sacrifices after Jesus was killed, but anything else doesn't really seem connected to that.

Why don't you just read the Bible for yourself?

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="gameguy6700"][QUOTE="Lab392"][QUOTE="gameguy6700"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Jesus has divinity becuase he is God. Moses was not. As for the laws of the Jewish religion....they were from an era long gone and not a basis of the faith.InterpolWilco

So in other words the ten commandments and every other decree laid out in the old testament are null and void right?

Nein, Jesus tells us that what goes into the mouth of man is much less important than what cames out of a man's mouth(speech). Pretty much everything but the Leviticus diet (Kosher) is withheld today. To make the 10 commandments simpler to understand, however, Christ says that as long as you love God with all of your strength, and you love other people as you love yourself, you are following the commandments (you wouldn't kill, steal from, or have an affair with the wife of a person you loved)... unless you already knew that and you were just trying to correct him in a sarcasmy way =/

Anyway, to answer the whole issue about Jesus being both the son of god and god: He is both. What God did, at least this has always been my understanding and the way I was taught, was that he seperated himself into three beings: God, the holy spirit, and Jesus. So all three are different beings but they're still the same god.

Everything is kept in the old testament except the kosher diet eh? So when in Exodus when it instructs me how to properly sell my daughter into slavery and how to properly treat my slaves (where "treat" includes everything on how long to keep them to how to beat them correctly), that's still upheld? What about the part where it says to stone children who disrespect their parents? There's a lot of horrible stuff that's endorsed in the old testament. I just have to wonder what the rule is for determining what stuff is kept and which stuff is thrown out. But then again if God is all-knowing then shouldn't he have gotten all this right the first time around? Especially the stuff about slavery, you think an all kind, all knowing god wouldn't even endorse slavery in the first place.

That's my biggest question about Christianity: Why is it that Christians feel that they're able to pick and choose which parts of their religion they should follow? I mean the nature of dogma is that its all or nothing, you don't get to say "well, I don't agree with this so its out...oh but we certainly can't have our religion without this other stuff..."

we don't follow the old testament... like my Christian buddies have said numerous times...

Then back to my first post, that means the ten commandments are out. You're free to go rape, steal, and kill. It also means all the crap about homosexuality is also thrown out, so someone tell the fundamentalists that they can stop hating on the gays.

But like I said before, why would an omniscient god ever change his mind about something? I can understand changing the rules about sacrifices after Jesus was killed, but anything else doesn't really seem connected to that.

Why don't you just read the Bible for yourself?

Why don't you just give me the answer? Or do you not know what the answer is either?

[QUOTE="InterpolWilco"][QUOTE="gameguy6700"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="gameguy6700"][QUOTE="Lab392"][QUOTE="gameguy6700"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Jesus has divinity becuase he is God. Moses was not. As for the laws of the Jewish religion....they were from an era long gone and not a basis of the faith.gameguy6700

So in other words the ten commandments and every other decree laid out in the old testament are null and void right?

Nein, Jesus tells us that what goes into the mouth of man is much less important than what cames out of a man's mouth(speech). Pretty much everything but the Leviticus diet (Kosher) is withheld today. To make the 10 commandments simpler to understand, however, Christ says that as long as you love God with all of your strength, and you love other people as you love yourself, you are following the commandments (you wouldn't kill, steal from, or have an affair with the wife of a person you loved)... unless you already knew that and you were just trying to correct him in a sarcasmy way =/

Anyway, to answer the whole issue about Jesus being both the son of god and god: He is both. What God did, at least this has always been my understanding and the way I was taught, was that he seperated himself into three beings: God, the holy spirit, and Jesus. So all three are different beings but they're still the same god.

Everything is kept in the old testament except the kosher diet eh? So when in Exodus when it instructs me how to properly sell my daughter into slavery and how to properly treat my slaves (where "treat" includes everything on how long to keep them to how to beat them correctly), that's still upheld? What about the part where it says to stone children who disrespect their parents? There's a lot of horrible stuff that's endorsed in the old testament. I just have to wonder what the rule is for determining what stuff is kept and which stuff is thrown out. But then again if God is all-knowing then shouldn't he have gotten all this right the first time around? Especially the stuff about slavery, you think an all kind, all knowing god wouldn't even endorse slavery in the first place.

That's my biggest question about Christianity: Why is it that Christians feel that they're able to pick and choose which parts of their religion they should follow? I mean the nature of dogma is that its all or nothing, you don't get to say "well, I don't agree with this so its out...oh but we certainly can't have our religion without this other stuff..."

we don't follow the old testament... like my Christian buddies have said numerous times...

Then back to my first post, that means the ten commandments are out. You're free to go rape, steal, and kill. It also means all the crap about homosexuality is also thrown out, so someone tell the fundamentalists that they can stop hating on the gays.

But like I said before, why would an omniscient god ever change his mind about something? I can understand changing the rules about sacrifices after Jesus was killed, but anything else doesn't really seem connected to that.

Why don't you just read the Bible for yourself?

Why don't you just give me the answer? Or do you not know what the answer is either?

Jesus says all what the ten commandments said and many other wise things... Can you give me references about slaves and daughters and the such... servants I might understand but please enlighten me... you said you wanted answers to the guy that said read the bible so I'm thinking you're not even reading it so how would you know these things?

we don't follow the old testament... like my Christian buddies have said numerous times...

but I thought the Christian Bible has both the Old and New Testament. Otherwise, wouldnt the Christian Bible have a different name, and the Torah still be called the Torah?

So in other words the ten commandments and every other decree laid out in the old testament are null and void right?

gameguy6700

The ten commandments were condensed into two commandments which encapsulate the ten. Nonetheless, what does the ten commandments have to do with kosher food? Their is a difference between a code of morality and custom.

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"][QUOTE="InterpolWilco"][QUOTE="gameguy6700"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="gameguy6700"][QUOTE="Lab392"][QUOTE="gameguy6700"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Jesus has divinity becuase he is God. Moses was not. As for the laws of the Jewish religion....they were from an era long gone and not a basis of the faith.battlefront23

So in other words the ten commandments and every other decree laid out in the old testament are null and void right?

Nein, Jesus tells us that what goes into the mouth of man is much less important than what cames out of a man's mouth(speech). Pretty much everything but the Leviticus diet (Kosher) is withheld today. To make the 10 commandments simpler to understand, however, Christ says that as long as you love God with all of your strength, and you love other people as you love yourself, you are following the commandments (you wouldn't kill, steal from, or have an affair with the wife of a person you loved)... unless you already knew that and you were just trying to correct him in a sarcasmy way =/

Anyway, to answer the whole issue about Jesus being both the son of god and god: He is both. What God did, at least this has always been my understanding and the way I was taught, was that he seperated himself into three beings: God, the holy spirit, and Jesus. So all three are different beings but they're still the same god.

Everything is kept in the old testament except the kosher diet eh? So when in Exodus when it instructs me how to properly sell my daughter into slavery and how to properly treat my slaves (where "treat" includes everything on how long to keep them to how to beat them correctly), that's still upheld? What about the part where it says to stone children who disrespect their parents? There's a lot of horrible stuff that's endorsed in the old testament. I just have to wonder what the rule is for determining what stuff is kept and which stuff is thrown out. But then again if God is all-knowing then shouldn't he have gotten all this right the first time around? Especially the stuff about slavery, you think an all kind, all knowing god wouldn't even endorse slavery in the first place.

That's my biggest question about Christianity: Why is it that Christians feel that they're able to pick and choose which parts of their religion they should follow? I mean the nature of dogma is that its all or nothing, you don't get to say "well, I don't agree with this so its out...oh but we certainly can't have our religion without this other stuff..."

we don't follow the old testament... like my Christian buddies have said numerous times...

Then back to my first post, that means the ten commandments are out. You're free to go rape, steal, and kill. It also means all the crap about homosexuality is also thrown out, so someone tell the fundamentalists that they can stop hating on the gays.

But like I said before, why would an omniscient god ever change his mind about something? I can understand changing the rules about sacrifices after Jesus was killed, but anything else doesn't really seem connected to that.

Why don't you just read the Bible for yourself?

Why don't you just give me the answer? Or do you not know what the answer is either?

Jesus says all what the ten commandments said and many other wise things... Can you give me references about slaves and daughters and the such... servants I might understand but please enlighten me... you said you wanted answers to the guy that said read the bible so I'm thinking you're not even reading it so how would you know these things?

Go read exodus. Here, I'll save you the trouble:

Exodus 21:2-6

Exodus 21:7-11

"When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go free as male slaves do. But if her master, who had destined her for himself, dislikes her, he shall let her be redeemed. He has no right to sell her to a foreigner, since he has broken faith with her. If he destines her for his son, he shall treat her like a daughter. If he takes another wife, he shall not withhold her food, her clothing, or her conjugal rights. If he does not grant her these three things, she shall be given her freedom absolutely, without cost to her."

Those sure are some moral family values to live by alright. Oh, and notice how that only concerns Hebrew slaves. If its a slave from another ethnicity/nation then you're free to do whatever you want.

And just so you know, the passages I quoted were used before the civil war as a way to advocate slavery. So it wasn't even 200 years ago that people considered these passages to be relevant. In fact, these passages are still used today by slave masters in other nations to convince their slaves to stay docile and live their life as a slave without complaint.

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"]

So in other words the ten commandments and every other decree laid out in the old testament are null and void right?

LJS9502_basic

The ten commandments were condensed into two commandments which encapsulate the ten. Nonetheless, what does the ten commandments have to do with kosher food? Their is a difference between a code of morality and custom.

Because you can't just throw out one part of a religion but keep other parts. Its dogma, its all or nothing. Then again with Kosher food I guess things did logically change with Jesus, but once you start trying to mess with the moral laws handed down through the old testament you're just screwing around with the religion in order to make it more appealing.

Why don't you just give me the answer? Or do you not know what the answer is either?

The commandments are restated in the NT as well as any other commandments God wanted us to follow.

Allright, I didn't take time to read everyone else's posts, but I just wanna lay the answers to the guys questions-

1. Jesus is the son of God, and Moses was not. Jesus is also God, which we call a Mystery (not the capital M). There are three persons in the one God, and Jesus is simply one of them.

2. Some things in the OT were disregarded after the covenant of Jesus. was fulfilled. Originally, the pig was chosen as the only thing Jews couldn't eat because it is (was, maybe?) the only thing that people back then hadn't worshipped. hence, they couldn't eat it to show respect, since it wasn't being used as a pagan symbol or something. But with Jesus, that law was disregarded.