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They irony of "We're against what you're getting killed for, but we support you anyway"...KobukSohnYep. I don't support what they are doing, but that doesn't mean I hate the troops or want them to get killed. But I can't get behind what they are doing either.
[QUOTE="KobukSohn"]They irony of "We're against what you're getting killed for, but we support you anyway"...SymphonicWavesYep. I don't support what they are doing, but that doesn't mean I hate the troops or want them to get killed. But I can't get behind what they are doing either.
If you don't support the cause their fighting for, what's the point in supporting the soldiers themselves?
If you're opposed to the cause, wouldn't you logically be opposed to those fighting for that cause?
Yep. I don't support what they are doing, but that doesn't mean I hate the troops or want them to get killed. But I can't get behind what they are doing either.[QUOTE="SymphonicWaves"][QUOTE="KobukSohn"]They irony of "We're against what you're getting killed for, but we support you anyway"...KobukSohn
If you don't support the cause their fighting for, what's the point in supporting the soldiers themselves?
If you're opposed to the cause, wouldn't you logically be opposed to those fighting for that cause?
No, not at all; I can't even fathom how you conflate the two. An expression of support for the troops to me would be getting them out of harm's way and out of an area where they have an ill-defined mission for which they are poorly suited.[QUOTE="KobukSohn"]Yep. I don't support what they are doing, but that doesn't mean I hate the troops or want them to get killed. But I can't get behind what they are doing either.[QUOTE="SymphonicWaves"][QUOTE="KobukSohn"]They irony of "We're against what you're getting killed for, but we support you anyway"...xaos
If you don't support the cause their fighting for, what's the point in supporting the soldiers themselves?
If you're opposed to the cause, wouldn't you logically be opposed to those fighting for that cause?
No, not at all; I can't even fathom how you conflate the two. An expression of support for the troops to me would be getting them out of harm's way and out of an area where they have an ill-defined mission for which they are poorly suited.Then you don't support raising money to properly equip our troops in battle?
Yep. I don't support what they are doing, but that doesn't mean I hate the troops or want them to get killed. But I can't get behind what they are doing either.[QUOTE="SymphonicWaves"][QUOTE="KobukSohn"]They irony of "We're against what you're getting killed for, but we support you anyway"...KobukSohn
If you don't support the cause their fighting for, what's the point in supporting the soldiers themselves?
If you're opposed to the cause, wouldn't you logically be opposed to those fighting for that cause?
Yep. I don't support what they are doing, but that doesn't mean I hate the troops or want them to get killed. But I can't get behind what they are doing either.[QUOTE="SymphonicWaves"][QUOTE="KobukSohn"]They irony of "We're against what you're getting killed for, but we support you anyway"...KobukSohn
If you don't support the cause their fighting for, what's the point in supporting the soldiers themselves?
If you're opposed to the cause, wouldn't you logically be opposed to those fighting for that cause?
so if there cause was to kill all iraqi... we have to blindly so "YAY! i support teh troops!, kill all iraqi!"... thats ridiculous. look. soldiers are going to get killed... thats the reality of war.. so answer this. is it better to have 3000 americans die for a lost cause, or 9000 americans die because we have to support the cause, not just the troops and keep americans there for another 10 years?[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="KobukSohn"]Yep. I don't support what they are doing, but that doesn't mean I hate the troops or want them to get killed. But I can't get behind what they are doing either.[QUOTE="SymphonicWaves"][QUOTE="KobukSohn"]They irony of "We're against what you're getting killed for, but we support you anyway"...KobukSohn
If you don't support the cause their fighting for, what's the point in supporting the soldiers themselves?
If you're opposed to the cause, wouldn't you logically be opposed to those fighting for that cause?
No, not at all; I can't even fathom how you conflate the two. An expression of support for the troops to me would be getting them out of harm's way and out of an area where they have an ill-defined mission for which they are poorly suited.Then you don't support raising money to properly equip our troops in battle?
How did you possibly interpret my statement to mean that?[QUOTE="KobukSohn"]Yep. I don't support what they are doing, but that doesn't mean I hate the troops or want them to get killed. But I can't get behind what they are doing either.[QUOTE="SymphonicWaves"][QUOTE="KobukSohn"]They irony of "We're against what you're getting killed for, but we support you anyway"...comp_atkins
If you don't support the cause their fighting for, what's the point in supporting the soldiers themselves?
If you're opposed to the cause, wouldn't you logically be opposed to those fighting for that cause?
so if there cause was to kill all iraqi... we have to blindly so "YAY! i support teh troops!, kill all iraqi!"... thats ridiculous. look. soldiers are going to get killed... thats the reality of war.. so answer this. is it better to have 3000 americans die for a lost cause, or 9000 americans die because we have to support the cause, not just the troops and keep americans there for another 10 years?[QUOTE="KobukSohn"]Yep. I don't support what they are doing, but that doesn't mean I hate the troops or want them to get killed. But I can't get behind what they are doing either.[QUOTE="SymphonicWaves"][QUOTE="KobukSohn"]They irony of "We're against what you're getting killed for, but we support you anyway"...comp_atkins
If you don't support the cause their fighting for, what's the point in supporting the soldiers themselves?
If you're opposed to the cause, wouldn't you logically be opposed to those fighting for that cause?
so if there cause was to kill all iraqi... we have to blindly so "YAY! i support teh troops!, kill all iraqi!"... thats ridiculous. look. soldiers are going to get killed... thats the reality of war.. so answer this. is it better to have 3000 americans die for a lost cause, or 9000 americans die because we have to support the cause, not just the troops and keep americans there for another 10 years?Answer me this:
Is it better for America to lose some soldiers there in Iraq with full support from the boys back home, yet eventually win the conflict and stabilize the situation
Or
Would it be better to pull out of Iraq and leave behind a broken Iraq and a further destabilized Middle East with even more, better organized terrorist organizations that will strike back against the United States?
[QUOTE="KobukSohn"][QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="KobukSohn"]Yep. I don't support what they are doing, but that doesn't mean I hate the troops or want them to get killed. But I can't get behind what they are doing either.[QUOTE="SymphonicWaves"][QUOTE="KobukSohn"]They irony of "We're against what you're getting killed for, but we support you anyway"...xaos
If you don't support the cause their fighting for, what's the point in supporting the soldiers themselves?
If you're opposed to the cause, wouldn't you logically be opposed to those fighting for that cause?
No, not at all; I can't even fathom how you conflate the two. An expression of support for the troops to me would be getting them out of harm's way and out of an area where they have an ill-defined mission for which they are poorly suited.Then you don't support raising money to properly equip our troops in battle?
How did you possibly interpret my statement to mean that?What, don't have an answer?
[QUOTE="comp_atkins"][QUOTE="KobukSohn"]Yep. I don't support what they are doing, but that doesn't mean I hate the troops or want them to get killed. But I can't get behind what they are doing either.[QUOTE="SymphonicWaves"][QUOTE="KobukSohn"]They irony of "We're against what you're getting killed for, but we support you anyway"...KobukSohn
If you don't support the cause their fighting for, what's the point in supporting the soldiers themselves?
If you're opposed to the cause, wouldn't you logically be opposed to those fighting for that cause?
so if there cause was to kill all iraqi... we have to blindly so "YAY! i support teh troops!, kill all iraqi!"... thats ridiculous. look. soldiers are going to get killed... thats the reality of war.. so answer this. is it better to have 3000 americans die for a lost cause, or 9000 americans die because we have to support the cause, not just the troops and keep americans there for another 10 years?Answer me this:
Is it better for America to lose some soldiers there in Iraq with full support from the boys back home, yet eventually win the conflict and stabilize the situation
Or
Would it be better to pull out of Iraq and leave behind a broken Iraq and a further destabilized Middle East with even more, better organized terrorist organizations that will strike back against the United States?
This what we get for getting involved in a 1500 year long relegious conflict with radicals.[QUOTE="comp_atkins"][QUOTE="KobukSohn"]Yep. I don't support what they are doing, but that doesn't mean I hate the troops or want them to get killed. But I can't get behind what they are doing either.[QUOTE="SymphonicWaves"][QUOTE="KobukSohn"]They irony of "We're against what you're getting killed for, but we support you anyway"...KobukSohn
If you don't support the cause their fighting for, what's the point in supporting the soldiers themselves?
If you're opposed to the cause, wouldn't you logically be opposed to those fighting for that cause?
so if there cause was to kill all iraqi... we have to blindly so "YAY! i support teh troops!, kill all iraqi!"... thats ridiculous. look. soldiers are going to get killed... thats the reality of war.. so answer this. is it better to have 3000 americans die for a lost cause, or 9000 americans die because we have to support the cause, not just the troops and keep americans there for another 10 years?Answer me this:
Is it better for America to lose some soldiers there in Iraq with full support from the boys back home, yet eventually win the conflict and stabilize the situation
Or
Would it be better to pull out of Iraq and leave behind a broken Iraq and a further destabilized Middle East with even more, better organized terrorist organizations that will strike back against the United States?
[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="KobukSohn"][QUOTE="xaos"]No, not at all; I can't even fathom how you conflate the two. An expression of support for the troops to me would be getting them out of harm's way and out of an area where they have an ill-defined mission for which they are poorly suited.KobukSohnThen you don't support raising money to properly equip our troops in battle? How did you possibly interpret my statement to mean that? What, don't have an answer? I support pulling our troops out as soon as is practical and keeping them alive and well to whatever extent is possible in the meantime. Now, do you have an answer for the question I gave, since you asked one completely unrelated to what I said?
[QUOTE="KobukSohn"][QUOTE="comp_atkins"][QUOTE="KobukSohn"]Yep. I don't support what they are doing, but that doesn't mean I hate the troops or want them to get killed. But I can't get behind what they are doing either.[QUOTE="SymphonicWaves"][QUOTE="KobukSohn"]They irony of "We're against what you're getting killed for, but we support you anyway"...xXBuffJeffXx
If you don't support the cause their fighting for, what's the point in supporting the soldiers themselves?
If you're opposed to the cause, wouldn't you logically be opposed to those fighting for that cause?
so if there cause was to kill all iraqi... we have to blindly so "YAY! i support teh troops!, kill all iraqi!"... thats ridiculous. look. soldiers are going to get killed... thats the reality of war.. so answer this. is it better to have 3000 americans die for a lost cause, or 9000 americans die because we have to support the cause, not just the troops and keep americans there for another 10 years?Answer me this:
Is it better for America to lose some soldiers there in Iraq with full support from the boys back home, yet eventually win the conflict and stabilize the situation
Or
Would it be better to pull out of Iraq and leave behind a broken Iraq and a further destabilized Middle East with even more, better organized terrorist organizations that will strike back against the United States?
We can at least stabilize the situation by following the guidelines of the Baker-Hamilton Commission, yet for some reason our leaders refuse to follow them.
[QUOTE="KobukSohn"][QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="KobukSohn"][QUOTE="xaos"]No, not at all; I can't even fathom how you conflate the two. An expression of support for the troops to me would be getting them out of harm's way and out of an area where they have an ill-defined mission for which they are poorly suited.xaosThen you don't support raising money to properly equip our troops in battle? How did you possibly interpret my statement to mean that? What, don't have an answer? I support pulling our troops out as soon as is practical and keeping them alive and well to whatever extent is possible in the meantime. Now, do you have an answer for the question I gave, since you asked one completely unrelated to what I said?
You still haven't properly answered my question, dancing around it instead,
You still haven't properly answered my question, dancing around it instead,KobukSohnI answered the question you asked; while I support an immediate pullout, I feel that the troops should be equipped sufficiently to be able to perform their mission in a way that ensures minimal possible casualties until that happens. If that does not answer your question, then you need to restart it more clearly.
[QUOTE="comp_atkins"][QUOTE="KobukSohn"]Yep. I don't support what they are doing, but that doesn't mean I hate the troops or want them to get killed. But I can't get behind what they are doing either.[QUOTE="SymphonicWaves"][QUOTE="KobukSohn"]They irony of "We're against what you're getting killed for, but we support you anyway"...KobukSohn
If you don't support the cause their fighting for, what's the point in supporting the soldiers themselves?
If you're opposed to the cause, wouldn't you logically be opposed to those fighting for that cause?
so if there cause was to kill all iraqi... we have to blindly so "YAY! i support teh troops!, kill all iraqi!"... thats ridiculous. look. soldiers are going to get killed... thats the reality of war.. so answer this. is it better to have 3000 americans die for a lost cause, or 9000 americans die because we have to support the cause, not just the troops and keep americans there for another 10 years?Answer me this:
Is it better for America to lose some soldiers there in Iraq with full support from the boys back home, yet eventually win the conflict and stabilize the situation
Or
Would it be better to pull out of Iraq and leave behind a broken Iraq and a further destabilized Middle East with even more, better organized terrorist organizations that will strike back against the United States?
actually.. i'm of the tack that at this point.. we're in a s---hole for a long time. the us went in and took a dump on that country and unfortunately now it has the job of fixing it.. and the sad fact is if the military is there for 10 years, thousands more will die. though keep in mind that it is not ensured that if we just stick with it long enough peace and stability will follow. it could be a mess there for 10 years, 50 years.. who knows.. you going to keep an occupying force in a hostile country for 3 decades??? be real. it will not happen.   this country needs to start being able to admit it made mistakes and correct them.[QUOTE="KobukSohn"][QUOTE="comp_atkins"][QUOTE="KobukSohn"]Yep. I don't support what they are doing, but that doesn't mean I hate the troops or want them to get killed. But I can't get behind what they are doing either.[QUOTE="SymphonicWaves"][QUOTE="KobukSohn"]They irony of "We're against what you're getting killed for, but we support you anyway"...comp_atkins
If you don't support the cause their fighting for, what's the point in supporting the soldiers themselves?
If you're opposed to the cause, wouldn't you logically be opposed to those fighting for that cause?
so if there cause was to kill all iraqi... we have to blindly so "YAY! i support teh troops!, kill all iraqi!"... thats ridiculous. look. soldiers are going to get killed... thats the reality of war.. so answer this. is it better to have 3000 americans die for a lost cause, or 9000 americans die because we have to support the cause, not just the troops and keep americans there for another 10 years?Answer me this:
Is it better for America to lose some soldiers there in Iraq with full support from the boys back home, yet eventually win the conflict and stabilize the situation
Or
Would it be better to pull out of Iraq and leave behind a broken Iraq and a further destabilized Middle East with even more, better organized terrorist organizations that will strike back against the United States?
actually.. i'm of the tack that at this point.. we're in a s---hole for a long time. the us went in and took a dump on that country and unfortunately now it has the job of fixing it.. and the sad fact is if the military is there for 10 years, thousands more will die. though keep in mind that it is not ensured that if we just stick with it long enough peace and stability will follow. it could be a mess there for 10 years, 50 years.. who knows.. you going to keep an occupying force in a hostile country for 3 decades???[QUOTE="KobukSohn"][QUOTE="comp_atkins"][QUOTE="KobukSohn"]Yep. I don't support what they are doing, but that doesn't mean I hate the troops or want them to get killed. But I can't get behind what they are doing either.[QUOTE="SymphonicWaves"][QUOTE="KobukSohn"]They irony of "We're against what you're getting killed for, but we support you anyway"...comp_atkins
If you don't support the cause their fighting for, what's the point in supporting the soldiers themselves?
If you're opposed to the cause, wouldn't you logically be opposed to those fighting for that cause?
so if there cause was to kill all iraqi... we have to blindly so "YAY! i support teh troops!, kill all iraqi!"... thats ridiculous. look. soldiers are going to get killed... thats the reality of war.. so answer this. is it better to have 3000 americans die for a lost cause, or 9000 americans die because we have to support the cause, not just the troops and keep americans there for another 10 years?Answer me this:
Is it better for America to lose some soldiers there in Iraq with full support from the boys back home, yet eventually win the conflict and stabilize the situation
Or
Would it be better to pull out of Iraq and leave behind a broken Iraq and a further destabilized Middle East with even more, better organized terrorist organizations that will strike back against the United States?
actually.. i'm of the tack that at this point.. we're in a s---hole for a long time. the us went in and took a dump on that country and unfortunately now it has the job of fixing it.. and the sad fact is if the military is there for 10 years, thousands more will die. though keep in mind that it is not ensured that if we just stick with it long enough peace and stability will follow. it could be a mess there for 10 years, 50 years.. who knows.. you going to keep an occupying force in a hostile country for 3 decades??? be real. it will not happen.   this country needs to start being able to admit it made mistakes and correct them.If you want to see my stance on how to solve things, just read the Baker-Hamilton Report.
[QUOTE="KobukSohn"]You still haven't properly answered my question, dancing around it instead,xaosI answered the question you asked; while I support an immediate pullout, I feel that the troops should be equipped sufficiently to be able to perform their mission in a way that ensures minimal possible casualties until that happens. If that does not answer your question, then you need to restart it more clearly.
You can't support equipping our troops with weapons which will aid them in carrying out their mission, and not support the cause.
I answered the question you asked; while I support an immediate pullout, I feel that the troops should be equipped sufficiently to be able to perform their mission in a way that ensures minimal possible casualties until that happens. If that does not answer your question, then you need to restart it more clearly.[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="KobukSohn"]You still haven't properly answered my question, dancing around it instead,KobukSohn
You can't support equipping our troops with weapons which will aid them in carrying out their mission, and not support the cause.
Actually, I can and do. You appear to be mistaken. I'm sorry if my position doesn't fit into your worldview, but it's the one I hold.[QUOTE="KobukSohn"]I answered the question you asked; while I support an immediate pullout, I feel that the troops should be equipped sufficiently to be able to perform their mission in a way that ensures minimal possible casualties until that happens. If that does not answer your question, then you need to restart it more clearly.[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="KobukSohn"]You still haven't properly answered my question, dancing around it instead,xaos
You can't support equipping our troops with weapons which will aid them in carrying out their mission, and not support the cause.
Actually, I can and do. You appear to be mistaken. I'm sorry if my position doesn't fit into your worldview, but it's the one I hold.I'm just spreading the message of the boys who are actually serving in Iraq.
I answered the question you asked; while I support an immediate pullout, I feel that the troops should be equipped sufficiently to be able to perform their mission in a way that ensures minimal possible casualties until that happens. If that does not answer your question, then you need to restart it more clearly.[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="KobukSohn"]You still haven't properly answered my question, dancing around it instead,KobukSohn
You can't support equipping our troops with weapons which will aid them in carrying out their mission, and not support the cause.
of course you can. just because you dont support the fact that they are there for retarded reasons does not mean you want them out there with water guns and paper armor.[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="KobukSohn"]I answered the question you asked; while I support an immediate pullout, I feel that the troops should be equipped sufficiently to be able to perform their mission in a way that ensures minimal possible casualties until that happens. If that does not answer your question, then you need to restart it more clearly.[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="KobukSohn"]You still haven't properly answered my question, dancing around it instead,KobukSohn
You can't support equipping our troops with weapons which will aid them in carrying out their mission, and not support the cause.
Actually, I can and do. You appear to be mistaken. I'm sorry if my position doesn't fit into your worldview, but it's the one I hold.I'm just spreading the message of the boys who are actually serving in Iraq.
Please pass along my hopes for a safe and swift return home to all those men and women.[QUOTE="KobukSohn"][QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="KobukSohn"]I answered the question you asked; while I support an immediate pullout, I feel that the troops should be equipped sufficiently to be able to perform their mission in a way that ensures minimal possible casualties until that happens. If that does not answer your question, then you need to restart it more clearly.[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="KobukSohn"]You still haven't properly answered my question, dancing around it instead,xaos
You can't support equipping our troops with weapons which will aid them in carrying out their mission, and not support the cause.
Actually, I can and do. You appear to be mistaken. I'm sorry if my position doesn't fit into your worldview, but it's the one I hold.I'm just spreading the message of the boys who are actually serving in Iraq.
Please pass along my hopes for a safe and swift return home to all those men and women.I will, to my cousin.
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