"no rules" fighting.

Does anyone else think it's a shame that "no rules" fighting is no longer a thing(think bare fist boxing, pankration and the no rule martial arts tournaments of ye olde japan)?

So would you support some sort of no rules fighting competition. something where martial artists and fighers could go and actualy fight each other? just two people in a ring allowed to do anything to KO the other guy.

UFC isn't far off unless you want weapons and death involved.

Take a shower, clean yourself up really nice. Go out tonight and have a good time, make some friends. Just get wasted with one goal in mind; At closing time hang out by the entrance of the bar/pub/club/etc. and swing at a random body walking out the door.

See how many rules apply to this fight:P

To clarify the fight would only go on until one guy gives up, is knocked out or dies.

To clarify the fight would only go on until one guy gives up, is knocked out or dies.

frannkzappa

To clarify the fight would only go on until one guy gives up, is knocked out or dies.

frannkzappa

UFC isn't far off unless you want weapons and death involved.

Pirate700

seems like a lot of rules to me.

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To clarify the fight would only go on until one guy gives up, is knocked out or dies.

Treflis

those aren't "rules" they are just qualities required for a fight to end. the actual fights have no rules.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

To clarify the fight would only go on until one guy gives up, is knocked out or dies.

Pirate700

Whats wrong with that if both fighters consent?

Eh? They still host friendly martial arts tourney's. At least, it seems that ways given there are many videos on Youtube with a few fights...

Actually, nevermind. Completely forgot about the no rules part...

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To clarify the fight would only go on until one guy gives up, is knocked out or dies.

frannkzappa

Whats wrong with that if both fighters consent?

"no rules" fighting is the only kind of fighting I support, i.e. when you have to fight, you better need to, and you better have to win.

Unless youre strictly speaking in a professional, spectator-sport sense...in that case, **** no, we do not need that kind of violence to be condoned.

no, because it would quickly degrade into eye gouging, testicle crushing and finger locks.

no, because it would quickly degrade into eye gouging, testicle crushing and finger locks.

MakeMeaSammitch

If both consent i don't see the problem.

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no, because it would quickly degrade into eye gouging, testicle crushing and finger locks.

frannkzappa

If both consent i don't see the problem.

it wouldnt be entertaining, wouldnt make money, and would quickly go bankrupt, meaning people were maimed and killed for no reason.  That is a problem.

*the league, I mean

No. I'm rather glad that we as a society moved away from straight up murdering or severely injuring others as a form of entertainment. And to those who bring up UFC and/or some other sport: sure, there is violence involved, we watch it and the athletes run the risk of getting hurt pretty badly; but there is a major difference between what goes on in an octagon or a ring and the situation the TC presented. LZ71

what about the opinions of the fighters though?

Do you know how frustrating it is to spend ten years training in a martial art and then to never be able to really use it because someone might get hurt?

If two consenting individuals want to seriously test their skills on one another they should have a means to do so.

that's why i quit iaido years back, no one wanted to even so much as spar seriously with bokken for fear of injury.

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[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

no, because it would quickly degrade into eye gouging, testicle crushing and finger locks.

mrbojangles25

If both consent i don't see the problem.

it wouldnt be entertaining, wouldnt make money, and would quickly go bankrupt, meaning people were maimed and killed for no reason. That is a problem.

*the league, I mean

who said anything about this being for making money? or entertainment for that matter.

[QUOTE="LZ71"]No. I'm rather glad that we as a society moved away from straight up murdering or severely injuring others as a form of entertainment. And to those who bring up UFC and/or some other sport: sure, there is violence involved, we watch it and the athletes run the risk of getting hurt pretty badly; but there is a major difference between what goes on in an octagon or a ring and the situation the TC presented. frannkzappa

what about the opinions of the fighters though?

Do you know how frustrating it is to spend ten years training in a martial art and then to never be able to really use it because someone might get hurt?

If two consenting individuals want to seriously test their skills on one another they should have a means to do so.

that's why i quit iaido years back, no one wanted to even so much as spar seriously with bokken for fear of injury.

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[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

If both consent i don't see the problem.

frannkzappa

it wouldnt be entertaining, wouldnt make money, and would quickly go bankrupt, meaning people were maimed and killed for no reason. That is a problem.

*the league, I mean

who said anything about this being for making money? or entertainment for that matter.

well, in that case, I go back to my original post:

yes, no rules is fine.  

Because, simply put, if you have to fight, then you have to win, and you bet your sweet freakin ass that I am going to stab someone's eyes out, kick them in the nuts, break their wrists, and slam a pipe into their head if I feel my life or the life of someone I care about is in danger.

Thank god Im a big man, and I don't get into fights.

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it wouldnt be entertaining, wouldnt make money, and would quickly go bankrupt, meaning people were maimed and killed for no reason. That is a problem.

*the league, I mean

mrbojangles25

who said anything about this being for making money? or entertainment for that matter.

well, in that case, I go back to my original post:

yes, no rules is fine.

Because, simply put, if you have to fight, then you have to win, and you bet your sweet freakin ass that I am going to stab someone's eyes out, kick them in the nuts, break their wrists, and slam a pipe into their head if I feel my life or the life of someone I care about is in danger.

Thank god Im a big man, and I don't get into fights.

i'm not talking about self defence either...

i'm talking about trained and consenting individuals testing their skill in a formal arena.

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[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

who said anything about this being for making money? or entertainment for that matter.

frannkzappa

well, in that case, I go back to my original post:

yes, no rules is fine.

Because, simply put, if you have to fight, then you have to win, and you bet your sweet freakin ass that I am going to stab someone's eyes out, kick them in the nuts, break their wrists, and slam a pipe into their head if I feel my life or the life of someone I care about is in danger.

Thank god Im a big man, and I don't get into fights.

i'm not talking about self defence either...

i'm talking about trained and consenting individuals testing their skill in a formal arena.

oh, in that case, I am pretty sure that is occuring in basements and backyards all over the place man lol.

That would be called murder. Personally I wish sports had a steroid league. Now that would be some intense action. Fightingfan

omg yes

with adrenaline shots before every round

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[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

well, in that case, I go back to my original post:

yes, no rules is fine.

Because, simply put, if you have to fight, then you have to win, and you bet your sweet freakin ass that I am going to stab someone's eyes out, kick them in the nuts, break their wrists, and slam a pipe into their head if I feel my life or the life of someone I care about is in danger.

Thank god Im a big man, and I don't get into fights.

mrbojangles25

i'm not talking about self defence either...

i'm talking about trained and consenting individuals testing their skill in a formal arena.

oh, in that case, I am pretty sure that is occuring in basements and backyards all over the place man lol.

i was talking from more of a professional/martial artist standpoint.

That would be called murder. Personally I wish sports had a steroid league. Now that would be some intense action. Fightingfan

Not if both parties consent. Heck i never said anyone had to die either, giving up or being knocked out also would end the fight.

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]That would be called murder. Personally I wish sports had a steroid league. Now that would be some intense action. mrbojangles25

omg yes

with adrenaline shots before every round

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]That would be called murder. Personally I wish sports had a steroid league. Now that would be some intense action. frannkzappa

Not if both parties consent. Heck i never said anyone had to die either, giving up or being knocked out also would end the fight.

You'd have to go overseas for that, then.  Not going to happen in any Western civilization.  Try Southeast Asia, or maybe South America?

You'd have to go overseas for that, then. Not going to happen in any Western civilization. Try Southeast Asia, or maybe South America?

mrbojangles25

yeah back when i was huge into iaido i went to japan and even there actual sword fighting was non-existent. real fights are a dying concept for better or worse (outside of war and self defence at least)

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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]That would be called murder. Personally I wish sports had a steroid league. Now that would be some intense action. Fightingfan

Not if both parties consent. Heck i never said anyone had to die either, giving up or being knocked out also would end the fight.

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Not if both parties consent. Heck i never said anyone had to die either, giving up or being knocked out also would end the fight.

frannkzappa

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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"] It's pretty dangerous to be honest. A good shot in the testicles, temple, nose, and upper spine can totally kill, paralyze, or mentally impair someone for life.LZ71

It's just funny to me (and a little sad) that something that was a big part of all human cultures up to 100 or so years ago no longer really exists.

[QUOTE="LZ71"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]If both parties accept that risk i don't see the problem.

frannkzappa

It's just funny to me (and a little sad) that something that was a big part of all human cultures up to 100 or so years ago no longer really exists.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]If both parties accept that risk i don't see the problem.

LZ71

Yeah I think we are kind of in violent agreement here.

Obviously it should be ok for two consenting adults to beat the crap out of eachother.  At least, morally and ethically and in an appropriate setting.

But from a societal and legal standpoint, its no good.  Why? Well, whats to stop some guy from jumping some guy, beating and killing him, then saying "We agreed to fight, so its ok".  Pretty soon, its gonna be showdowns in the streets and "he-said, she-said" in the courts.

It's just funny to me (and a little sad) that something that was a big part of all human cultures up to 100 or so years ago no longer really exists.

frannkzappa

It wasnt a part of human culture.  It was a part of the military, law, and criminal culture.  Your Bushido-era farmer didn't know how to handle a katana any better than today's farmer knows how to handle a howitzer.

You want to fight people with no rules, go join the military, the mob, a corrupt police department, or some african warlord :P

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[QUOTE="LZ71"] I don't think anyone here is saying that there's necessarily a problem with two consenting adults choosing to go out back and beat the hell out of each other until the other is dead or otherwise completely unable to fight back. If that's their choice, then ok. But I think everyone here is saying that that kind of fight is senseless and incredibly dangerous, and shouldn't be promoted in any way in our society. LZ71

It's just funny to me (and a little sad) that something that was a big part of all human cultures up to 100 or so years ago no longer really exists.

yeah, I'd say being able to walk down the street without seeing a gun duel is good progress.

If living in a society where not killing or harming senselessly or for sport makes me a p****, well, call me a p****.

[QUOTE="LZ71"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]If both parties accept that risk i don't see the problem.

frannkzappa

It's just funny to me (and a little sad) that something that was a big part of all human cultures up to 100 or so years ago no longer really exists.

"No rules" fighting. Eye gauging I suspect is legal in such circumstance. Would you really want to watch a game like that?