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#1 weezyfb
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After calling 911, a 57-year-old Oklahoma woman took actions into her own hands, grabbing her shot gun and killing a man who tried to enter her house. (Dec. 05)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m31ZpQVILRk

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#2 Mark_the_Lie
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Good for that woman. She was not malicious. She was fully within her rights and acted appropriately.

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If you want to get the job done, do it yourself.
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#4 spazzx625
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My first thought was "what's a 'raw audio homeowner'"... That's pretty intense, though
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awesome. Thanks for the news update, don't quit your day job

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#6 xTheExploited
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Thats creepy.
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#7 Jeff_Goldblum
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I don't see why she seemed so upset about it. The guy was breaking into her house, pretty much a free pass to kill him.
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#8 weezyfb
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I don't see why she seemed so upset about it. The guy was breaking into her house, pretty much a free pass to kill him.Jeff_Goldblum
well she had gone 57 yrs without killing anyone and seemed religious..
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#9 Mark_the_Lie
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I don't see why she seemed so upset about it. The guy was breaking into her house, pretty much a free pass to kill him.Jeff_Goldblum

Unless you enjoy killing people, it's not like it's fun or just a small inconvenience when you have to shoot somebody. It's about the most grave thing you can ever do, and if you don't understand that, you're pretty sick.

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#10 Jeff_Goldblum
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It's about the most grave thing you can ever do Mark_the_Lie
I can understand that if she was forced to kill an innocent person, but this guy was probably just going to kill her anyway. He was already breaking into her house, so she knew he wasn't just dropping by to say hello and then leave peacefully. When you kill someone who was about to kill you, I don't really see it any differently than if you were to put down a rabid animal that was coming at you.
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#11 Pirate700
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Good for her. More people need to realize they should never be victims in their own homes.

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#12 weezyfb
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also i would have fired a warning shot that might have changed things
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also i would have fired a warning shot that might have changed thingsweezyfb
You NEVER do that. If you are going to pull the triger, you kill the intruder. That's basic legal 101 and gun ownership.

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#14 JustusCF
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[QUOTE="Jeff_Goldblum"]I don't see why she seemed so upset about it. The guy was breaking into her house, pretty much a free pass to kill him.Mark_the_Lie

Unless you enjoy killing people, it's not like it's fun or just a small inconvenience when you have to shoot somebody. It's about the most grave thing you can ever do, and if you don't understand that, you're pretty sick.

Yep.

I've talked to several war veterans and even though few discussed what went on, those that did told me they had problems even though they knew they were killing the enemy. Not all but some.

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Anyway, good for the home owner!

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[QUOTE="weezyfb"]also i would have fired a warning shot that might have changed thingsPirate700

You NEVER do that. If you are going to pull the triger, you kill the intruder. That's basic legal 101 and gun ownership.

.....When hunting.
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[QUOTE="weezyfb"]also i would have fired a warning shot that might have changed thingsPirate700

You NEVER do that. If you are going to pull the triger, you kill the intruder. That's basic legal 101 and gun ownership.

Yeah, this isn't like a bear you're trying to scare off... Warning shots could mean the intruder fires an actual shot at you. Still, it's pretty obvious that even a warning shot wouldn't have deterred that guy, it's really creepy to hear him banging on the door over the phone.
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I feel sorry for the woman. Not something anyone should have to go through.
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#18 weezyfb
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[QUOTE="weezyfb"]also i would have fired a warning shot that might have changed thingsPirate700

You NEVER do that. If you are going to pull the triger, you kill the intruder. That's basic legal 101 and gun ownership.

im not as familiar with guns as my family but why is that? the idea is to get them to run scare them off till the cops get there. they arent gonna charge in when the homeowner is armed and aware of their presence
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#19 b1lal
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I don't feel bad for the intruder. Good job.
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#20 spazzx625
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="weezyfb"]also i would have fired a warning shot that might have changed thingsweezyfb

You NEVER do that. If you are going to pull the triger, you kill the intruder. That's basic legal 101 and gun ownership.

im not as familiar with guns as my family but why is that? the idea is to get them to run scare them off till the cops get there. they arent gonna charge in when the homeowner is armed and aware of their presence

They might not charge in...But they could fire back. If you are shooting at someone that is armed do you really think they are more likely to run away rather than shoot back?
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="weezyfb"]also i would have fired a warning shot that might have changed thingsweezyfb

You NEVER do that. If you are going to pull the triger, you kill the intruder. That's basic legal 101 and gun ownership.

im not as familiar with guns as my family but why is that? the idea is to get them to run scare them off till the cops get there. they arent gonna charge in when the homeowner is armed and aware of their presence

You will end up getting sued by the criminal (if you are in a nutjob state like Kali) and or slapped with some sort of negligence charge. It's complicated.

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#23 deactivated-5985f1128b98f
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Good for her. Thats one scumbag we won't here about killing cops after being let out by some dipstick governor.

Hope she gets over the emotional trauma.

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#24 coolbeans90
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Well done old woman!!

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Well. Gotta say if you can't get in and your creating all of this ruccus you should leave. (or get shot because she knows your there)

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That's sad. I don't know how I feel about the action she took.

If he got entry to my house I would just restrain him until help arrived, but I know a 57-year old woman probably isn't capable of doing that.

I've never been one to cheer on someone killing another.

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#27 Kamekazi_69
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She has the right to defend herself, even with the will to kill for the sake of her life. Good for her. Its either her or him. I probably would have done the same as a last resort

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#28 Kamekazi_69
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That's sad. I don't know how I feel about the action she took.

If he got entry to my house I would just restrain him until help arrived, but I know a 57-year old woman probably isn't capable of doing that.

I've never been one to cheer on someone killing another.

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I think the video made reference that he also had a gun. I dont think its smart to restrain someone with or without a gun. n unpredictable person that has the capability to break into your home, can have the intention to commit murder, or be violent, or desperate. I wouldn't risk it
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#29 bloodling
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Well, he got what he deserved. However crazy he may be, I really don't understand why people do this, especially in a country where everyone has a gun. Some people are really, really stupid...

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I was wondering, seeing as I don't live there, why is it not the case in America when if someone steals, say, a sip of your "soda" why can't you shoot the thief with a gun? Why is "the home" more sacred "private property" than soda? Both "belong" to you don't they? Private property is private property.
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I was wondering, seeing as I don't live there, why is it not the case in America when if someone steals, say, a sip of your "soda" why can't you shoot the thief with a gun? Why is "the home" more sacred "private property" than soda? Both "belong" to you don't they? Private property is private property.BrownNoeser

There is a difference in between someone stealing your soda, and breaking into your house. The latter poses a serious threat to life and limb...

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#32 bloodling
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I was wondering, seeing as I don't live there, why is it not the case in America when if someone steals, say, a sip of your "soda" why can't you shoot the thief with a gun? Why is "the home" more sacred "private property" than soda? Both "belong" to you don't they? Private property is private property.BrownNoeser

You don't seem to understand that the whole point of having a gun to protect you if someone breaks into your house is because he could either kill you, rape you, steal all your belongings or all of the above. It has nothing to do with stealing, in fact he did not steal anything when she killed him. Cops kill people because they fear for people's lives and their own.

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[QUOTE="BrownNoeser"]I was wondering, seeing as I don't live there, why is it not the case in America when if someone steals, say, a sip of your "soda" why can't you shoot the thief with a gun? Why is "the home" more sacred "private property" than soda? Both "belong" to you don't they? Private property is private property.

Home invasion != sipping a soda. Aside from a financial standpoint, personal privacy and safety is the most important issue.
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[QUOTE="BrownNoeser"]I was wondering, seeing as I don't live there, why is it not the case in America when if someone steals, say, a sip of your "soda" why can't you shoot the thief with a gun? Why is "the home" more sacred "private property" than soda? Both "belong" to you don't they? Private property is private property.coolbeans90

There is a difference in between someone stealing your soda, and breaking into your house. The latter poses a serious threat to life and limb...

Not necessarily. The man who broke into her house could potentially have been coming in to say hello. Someone who steals your soda may be planning to lace it with poison. Someone who I meet on the street potentially poses a "serious threat to life and limb", but you can't just randomly shoot someone on the street, Can you? So the question remains: why is "the home" more sacred private property to soda.
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i see nothing wrong with this.
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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="BrownNoeser"]I was wondering, seeing as I don't live there, why is it not the case in America when if someone steals, say, a sip of your "soda" why can't you shoot the thief with a gun? Why is "the home" more sacred "private property" than soda? Both "belong" to you don't they? Private property is private property.BrownNoeser

There is a difference in between someone stealing your soda, and breaking into your house. The latter poses a serious threat to life and limb...

Not necessarily. The man who broke into her house could potentially have been coming in to say hello. Someone who steals your soda may be planning to lace it with poison. Someone who I meet on the street potentially poses a "serious threat to life and limb", but you can't just randomly shoot someone on the street, Can you? So the question remains: why is "the home" more sacred private property to soda.

If someone takes your soda and puts poison in it, you don't need to kill the guy, just don't drink it... Your arguments don't make sense at all... If someone breaks into someone's house just to say hello, he is mentally insane and should be treated before getting killed...

If someone tries to break into your house he is a serious threat to your life... How can you not see this...

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[QUOTE="spazzx625"][QUOTE="BrownNoeser"]I was wondering, seeing as I don't live there, why is it not the case in America when if someone steals, say, a sip of your "soda" why can't you shoot the thief with a gun? Why is "the home" more sacred "private property" than soda? Both "belong" to you don't they? Private property is private property.

Home invasion != sipping a soda. Aside from a financial standpoint, personal privacy and safety is the most important issue.

So everyone breaking into your home is assumed to be a killer? I thought it was innocent until proven guilty in that country. Like I said in the above post too, your safety could potentially be threatened just by someone taking your soda (and then putting poison in it). Don't talk about the financial standpoint; I can steal more money from you out of your hands than your house is worth and you still wouldn't be legally allowed to kill me (or would you?) Also, personal privacy? If I spy on you from outside your house are you allowed to kill me? No. So what exactly is it that makes "the home" so important?
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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="BrownNoeser"]I was wondering, seeing as I don't live there, why is it not the case in America when if someone steals, say, a sip of your "soda" why can't you shoot the thief with a gun? Why is "the home" more sacred "private property" than soda? Both "belong" to you don't they? Private property is private property.BrownNoeser

There is a difference in between someone stealing your soda, and breaking into your house. The latter poses a serious threat to life and limb...

Not necessarily. The man who broke into her house could potentially have been coming in to say hello. Someone who steals your soda may be planning to lace it with poison. Someone who I meet on the street potentially poses a "serious threat to life and limb", but you can't just randomly shoot someone on the street, Can you? So the question remains: why is "the home" more sacred private property to soda.

Yes it's weird. I've read stories about people shooting someone who just stepped on their front lawn, and not getting charged for it because the deceased had trespassed. When you're visiting someone else's house in the US, your life is in their hands regardless of the circumstances.
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[QUOTE="spazzx625"][QUOTE="BrownNoeser"]I was wondering, seeing as I don't live there, why is it not the case in America when if someone steals, say, a sip of your "soda" why can't you shoot the thief with a gun? Why is "the home" more sacred "private property" than soda? Both "belong" to you don't they? Private property is private property.

Home invasion != sipping a soda. Aside from a financial standpoint, personal privacy and safety is the most important issue.

I just want to say I enjoyed your use of the C++ operand for "not equal to". That is all :P
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[QUOTE="spazzx625"][QUOTE="BrownNoeser"]I was wondering, seeing as I don't live there, why is it not the case in America when if someone steals, say, a sip of your "soda" why can't you shoot the thief with a gun? Why is "the home" more sacred "private property" than soda? Both "belong" to you don't they? Private property is private property.BrownNoeser
Home invasion != sipping a soda. Aside from a financial standpoint, personal privacy and safety is the most important issue.

So everyone breaking into your home is assumed to be a killer? I thought it was innocent until proven guilty in that country. Like I said in the above post too, your safety could potentially be threatened just by someone taking your soda (and then putting poison in it). Don't talk about the financial standpoint; I can steal more money from you out of your hands than your house is worth and you still wouldn't be legally allowed to kill me (or would you?) Also, personal privacy? If I spy on you from outside your house are you allowed to kill me? No. So what exactly is it that makes "the home" so important?

Not assumed to be a killer, but obviously he very well could be... Why do you keep talking about """the home""", we are talking about a threat to someone's life, not the house itself...

But to answer your question, home is a place where nobody should break into.

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#41 spazzx625
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[QUOTE="BrownNoeser"] So everyone breaking into your home is assumed to be a killer? I thought it was innocent until proven guilty in that country. Like I said in the above post too, your safety could potentially be threatened just by someone taking your soda (and then putting poison in it). Don't talk about the financial standpoint; I can steal more money from you out of your hands than your house is worth and you still wouldn't be legally allowed to kill me (or would you?) Also, personal privacy? If I spy on you from outside your house are you allowed to kill me? No. So what exactly is it that makes "the home" so important?

If someone is physically breaking into your home, that is always a threat to either yourself or your property. :| Also, I don't tend to carry $300k on myself at any time ever, so no...Someone could not just steal that amount of money from me. You are content comparing apples to oranges here, so I don't know why anyone is trying to bother arguing your point.
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#42 RushKing
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[QUOTE="BrownNoeser"][QUOTE="spazzx625"][QUOTE="BrownNoeser"]I was wondering, seeing as I don't live there, why is it not the case in America when if someone steals, say, a sip of your "soda" why can't you shoot the thief with a gun? Why is "the home" more sacred "private property" than soda? Both "belong" to you don't they? Private property is private property.

Home invasion != sipping a soda. Aside from a financial standpoint, personal privacy and safety is the most important issue.

So everyone breaking into your home is assumed to be a killer? I thought it was innocent until proven guilty in that country. Like I said in the above post too, your safety could potentially be threatened just by someone taking your soda (and then putting poison in it). Don't talk about the financial standpoint; I can steal more money from you out of your hands than your house is worth and you still wouldn't be legally allowed to kill me (or would you?) Also, personal privacy? If I spy on you from outside your house are you allowed to kill me? No. So what exactly is it that makes "the home" so important?

Yea, these castle laws make no sense at all. My house can be just as valuable as my wallet.
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On the comments: "Last thing you want to do is wound an intruder.  Shoot him right in the ****ing head so he can't sue you, or press criminal charges against you." :lol: I don't understand why he was making so much noise; usually when people break into houses they attempt to do it undetected :|
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[QUOTE="BrownNoeser"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

There is a difference in between someone stealing your soda, and breaking into your house. The latter poses a serious threat to life and limb...

bloodling

Not necessarily. The man who broke into her house could potentially have been coming in to say hello. Someone who steals your soda may be planning to lace it with poison. Someone who I meet on the street potentially poses a "serious threat to life and limb", but you can't just randomly shoot someone on the street, Can you? So the question remains: why is "the home" more sacred private property to soda.

If someone takes your soda and puts poison in it, you don't need to kill the guy, just don't drink it... Your arguments doesn't make sense at all...

If someone tries to break into your house he is a serious threat to your life... How can you not see this...

Of course he poses a serious threat to your life! I never denied that. I just said that anyone, anywhere poses a threat to your life (especially when everyone potentially has a gun). Therefore, in America, you can't shoot someone just because they may pose a threat to your life. It isn't to do with theft either, because you can't just shoot someone for stealing your soda. It isn't to do with privacy because you can't shoot someone for spying on you outside your house. It's not to do with safety; if your in a public place and someone has a gun on them your aren't allowed to automatically shoot them; even though they could kill you if they wished. There is no real reason why you should be able to shoot someone who's in your house. All these things you propose (safety etc.) are inconsistent.
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#45 BrownNoeser
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[QUOTE="spazzx625"][QUOTE="BrownNoeser"] So everyone breaking into your home is assumed to be a killer? I thought it was innocent until proven guilty in that country. Like I said in the above post too, your safety could potentially be threatened just by someone taking your soda (and then putting poison in it). Don't talk about the financial standpoint; I can steal more money from you out of your hands than your house is worth and you still wouldn't be legally allowed to kill me (or would you?) Also, personal privacy? If I spy on you from outside your house are you allowed to kill me? No. So what exactly is it that makes "the home" so important?

If someone is physically breaking into your home, that is always a threat to either yourself or your property. :| Also, I don't tend to carry $300k on myself at any time ever, so no...Someone could not just steal that amount of money from me. You are content comparing apples to oranges here, so I don't know why anyone is trying to bother arguing your point.

It's not more of threat than walking past someone who has a gun; neither is guaranteed to kill you but both potentially could. Ok, say if you had a really valuable diamond that was worth more than your house. If someone stole it from you on the street would you be able to shoot at them?
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#46 spazzx625
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[QUOTE="BrownNoeser"] It's not more of threat than walking past someone who has a gun; neither is guaranteed to kill you but both potentially could. Ok, say if you had a really valuable diamond that was worth more than your house. If someone stole it from you on the street would you be able to shoot at them?

Why are you so enraptured by the theft aspect of this? The whole point is personal safety. Self defense. If someone is attempting to harm you, regardless of if you're in your home or not you can defend yourself within reason. If someone is coming at you with a plastic straw you can't use a firearm, since they are unequal.
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It's not to do with safety; if your in a public place and someone has a gun on them your aren't allowed to automatically shoot them; even though they could kill you if they wished. There is no real reason why you should be able to shoot someone who's in your house. All these things you propose (safety etc.) are inconsistent.BrownNoeser

What on earth are you talking about? It obviously has to do with safety... Yes there is a reason why you should be able to shoot someone breaking into your house: he will most likely kill you. If he doesn't, you're lucky. Now, if someone kills you in the street, he kills you in the street. Whether you're allowed to legally shoot back doesn't have anything to do with this.

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[QUOTE="BrownNoeser"]I was wondering, seeing as I don't live there, why is it not the case in America when if someone steals, say, a sip of your "soda" why can't you shoot the thief with a gun? Why is "the home" more sacred "private property" than soda? Both "belong" to you don't they? Private property is private property.BrownNoeser

There is a difference in between someone stealing your soda, and breaking into your house. The latter poses a serious threat to life and limb...

Not necessarily. The man who broke into her house could potentially have been coming in to say hello. Someone who steals your soda may be planning to lace it with poison. Someone who I meet on the street potentially poses a "serious threat to life and limb", but you can't just randomly shoot someone on the street, Can you? So the question remains: why is "the home" more sacred private property to soda.

Better to be safe than sorry. I haven't ever heard someone breaking into someone's house to say hello. Most people knock, or use a doorbell. A random interaction on the street is much less likely to kill you than someone breaking into your home. Your sanctity of property question makes no sense, since my argument isn't about property rights.

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#49 aransom
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Think twice about breaking into houses in Oklahoma!

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#50 BrownNoeser
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[QUOTE="BrownNoeser"] It's not more of threat than walking past someone who has a gun; neither is guaranteed to kill you but both potentially could. Ok, say if you had a really valuable diamond that was worth more than your house. If someone stole it from you on the street would you be able to shoot at them?spazzx625
Why are you so enraptured by the theft aspect of this? The whole point is personal safety. Self defense. If someone is attempting to harm you, regardless of if you're in your home or not you can defend yourself within reason. If someone is coming at you with a plastic straw you can't use a firearm, since they are unequal.

I'm not "enraptured by the theft" aspect, I am trying the lack of reasoning behind your "right" to shoot people in your house. Self-defence is not the issue. Like I said, people pose a threat to you all the time; you aren't allowed to kill them for it. Oh, and what does it matter if the trespasser has a gun or a straw, you're still allowed to shoot them aren't you? Whether they are "unequal" or not.