Reasons why I believe something is really wrong with "civil rights" an

I have come to the point where we the people, are being treated unfair and immorally.For nearly a century,it appears to me that this government has successfully gave us the illusion that we are a priority to our nation and living in a democrasy. That they are enforcing nationalsecurityagianstterrorism, but what about the terrorism that occurs in our nation?Way before the CIA, the FBI was established in the 1940's, we were living inabundant peace as a nation.These entities are not forour "national Security". As much as terrorism is a major concern, it is nothing compared tocorporal crime.Do we really need 20,000 Nuclear weapons to protect us from terrorism? 8 nuclear weapons positioned incertain areas of the globe is enough to put us into a Nuclear winter. Yet all this money goes to the manufacturer ($623 Billion for national security) of weapons that wecan't even use.$85 BillionOF OUR TAX MONEY goes toCorporal welfare. Big oiling industries that on average, require 16 Billion of yearly maintainance. On average, Free Healthcare to Everyone, Everyone, not the poor, not the homeless but Everyone, would cost about 90 Billion annually. So why do industries need all this money? where is all that money going to? and does that mean the corporations come first, and the people can rot? We passed a Stimulus Bill of$800Billion, yet people are declaring bankrupcy, people are losing their homes, and mortgage companies are stillstanding on two feet. We have no money for education, we have no money for healthcare, we have no money for welfare, we have nothing.So listen to me people, the government does not care about its people, it only involves itself in situations that benefits them financially, . Where we live today is not Capitalism, its calledCorporaltism. Think about it.On the news putting blame on street violence and conflict. While any criminal needs to be prosecuted and convicted, butit means nothing compared to what truly happens. Corporal terrorism and crimeis a 261-460 Billion dollar industry. 20 million people die every year due to faulty products distributed . Do we hear any of that on the news?Because we buy a couple of measley stocks, we are living in Capitalism? So its the major corparations who control the economy

Do not believe anything what the media tells you. CNN, FOX News, MSNBC,NBC, all of them areentertainment entities, not news. What we are watching is not news, its entertainment. They tell us nothing. one hour of media coverage about completely irrational and ridiculous subjects. We do not hear anything about Corporal terrorism, about the situation in Iraq, about Welfare being directed to companies only.

Ben Franklin -"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."

Thomas Jefferson -"Does the government fear us? Or do we fear the government? When the people fear the government, tyranny has found victory. The federal government is our servant, not our master."

The Declaration of Independence-"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, - That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

50-60 years ago, we have grown weaker as people of the once "free" nation. We would have been living in a better tomorrow if we had seized complete government control over its people. The Government has complete control over our lives. Would you be infavor, or would disagree yet say nothing because you believe that your opinion is not powerful enough? Next they will tax carbon emission, then . All this impedes our freedom

Our own greed is causing our nations collapse. Yet the people, The True holders of democrasy and freedom don't do anything about it? What we need is another declaration of freedom, a peoples party, free trade, and theremoval of greed.We have sunk ourselves in a hole to the point where we can't get out. We are 54 trillion dollars in debt.

If Iget killed oram announcedmissing for what I've said, Spare my message.

Theres our govenrment. The Government is the problem. We are allowing a greater power to overshadow us so we can quiet.it always has been that way.I believe that there is a greater good for the people of such a mighty country

Anyone with me?

Revolt!!!

The word "Corporal" doesn't mean what you think it means. I think you're looking for "corporate."

Well, I want my 5 minutes back.

The problem is that we humans are domesticized, we live and die in a system that was established for us from the moment we are born. Think of it as like a pride of lions living in a square kilometre enclosure.

I notice that when you quote the Declaration of Independence, you conveniently leave out that part about "light and transient causes."PannicAtack

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]I notice that when you quote the Declaration of Independence, you conveniently leave out that part about "light and transient causes."Kamekazi_69

The Founding Fathers revolted against the British because their rights were being violated and they were being practically stripped of their British citizenship.

You seem to be calling for a similar action because of stimulus packages.

The problem is that we humans are domesticized, we live and die in a system that was established for us from the moment we are born. Think of it as like a pride of lions living in a square kilometre enclosure.

Aku101

The word "Corporal" doesn't mean what you think it means. I think you're looking for "corporate."

Well, I want my 5 minutes back.

Bio_Spark

Oh, wait...

Civil rights for my homeboys.

[QUOTE="Kamekazi_69"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"]I notice that when you quote the Declaration of Independence, you conveniently leave out that part about "light and transient causes."PannicAtack

The Founding Fathers revolted against the British because their rights were being violated and they were being practically stripped of their British citizenship.

You seem to be calling for a similar action because of stimulus packages.

[QUOTE="Aku101"]

The problem is that we humans are domesticized, we live and die in a system that was established for us from the moment we are born. Think of it as like a pride of lions living in a square kilometre enclosure.

Kamekazi_69

Well to further elaborate, the system is something we no longer have control over. World leaders are bound by the system to meet a status quo and after they're gone they are replaced by another who will have to meet another status quo albeit by using different methods. We can only make slight tweaks and changes to the system but we cannot completely revolutionize it unless we abandon societal standards and expectations. I guess you can say that since we are born society expects something from us and we are taught to obey it.

Part of the problem is when abritrary values and morals and rules are forced upon us and are taught to us instead of learning it ourselves. We made a standard and expected others to adopt it and they will unless they think about it critically.

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]

[QUOTE="Kamekazi_69"] I did not "conveniently" leave it out because it didn't favor me. I took a specific statement from the Declaration of Independence because it is what I am directing my argument withKamekazi_69

The Founding Fathers revolted against the British because their rights were being violated and they were being practically stripped of their British citizenship.

You seem to be calling for a similar action because of stimulus packages.

And that doesn't make sense. First you say that corporations are the problem, then the government. And you attack corporations and yet you say "go free trade!" Make up your mind.

Also, "corporaltism?" You can't just make up terrible new words.

So what exactly is this new, free, post-revolution nation going to look like?-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]

[QUOTE="Kamekazi_69"] I did not "conveniently" leave it out because it didn't favor me. I took a specific statement from the Declaration of Independence because it is what I am directing my argument withKamekazi_69

The Founding Fathers revolted against the British because their rights were being violated and they were being practically stripped of their British citizenship.

You seem to be calling for a similar action because of stimulus packages.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]So what exactly is this new, free, post-revolution nation going to look like?Kamekazi_69

[QUOTE="Kamekazi_69"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]So what exactly is this new, free, post-revolution nation going to look like?xaos

If Iget killed oram announcedmissing for what I've said, Spare my message.

Kamekazi_69

Then do something about it. Whining here ain't getting anything done.supercubedude64

I have come to the point where we the people, are being treated unfair and immorally.For nearly a century,it appears to me that this government has successfully gave us the illusion that we are a priority to our nation and living in a democrasy. That they are enforcing nationalsecurityagianstterrorism, but what about the terrorism that occurs in our nation?Way before the CIA, the FBI was established in the 1940's, we were living inabundant peace as a nation.These entities are not forour "national Security". As much as terrorism is a major concern, it is nothing compared tocorporal crime.Do we really need 20,000 Nuclear weapons to protect us from terrorism? 8 nuclear weapons positioned incertain areas of the globe is enough to put us into a Nuclear winter. Yet all this money goes to the manufacturer ($623 Billion for national security) of weapons that wecan't even use.$85 BillionOF OUR TAX MONEY goes toCorporal welfare. Big oiling industries that on average, require 16 Billion of yearly maintainance. On average, Free Healthcare to Everyone, Everyone, not the poor, not the homeless but Everyone, would cost about 90 Billion annually. So why do industries need all this money? where is all that money going to? and does that mean the corporations come first, and the people can rot? We passed a Stimulus Bill of$800Billion, yet people are declaring bankrupcy, people are losing their homes, and mortgage companies are stillstanding on two feet. We have no money for education, we have no money for healthcare, we have no money for welfare, we have nothing.So listen to me people, the government does not care about its people, it only involves itself in situations that benefits them financially, . Where we live today is not Capitalism, its calledCorporaltism. Think about it.On the news putting blame on street violence and conflict. While any criminal needs to be prosecuted and convicted, butit means nothing compared to what truly happens. Corporal terrorism and crimeis a 261-460 Billion dollar industry. 20 million people die every year due to faulty products distributed . Do we hear any of that on the news?Because we buy a couple of measley stocks, we are living in Capitalism? So its the major corparations who control the economy

Do not believe anything what the media tells you. CNN, FOX News, MSNBC,NBC, all of them areentertainment entities, not news. What we are watching is not news, its entertainment. They tell us nothing. one hour of media coverage about completely irrational and ridiculous subjects. We do not hear anything about Corporal terrorism, about the situation in Iraq, about Welfare being directed to companies only.

Ben Franklin -"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."

Thomas Jefferson -"Does the government fear us? Or do we fear the government? When the people fear the government, tyranny has found victory. The federal government is our servant, not our master."

The Declaration of Independence-"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, - That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

50-60 years ago, we have grown weaker as people of the once "free" nation. We would have been living in a better tomorrow if we had seized complete government control over its people. The Government has complete control over our lives. Would you be infavor, or would disagree yet say nothing because you believe that your opinion is not powerful enough? Next they will tax carbon emission, then . All this impedes our freedom

Our own greed is causing our nations collapse. Yet the people, The True holders of democrasy and freedom don't do anything about it? What we need is another declaration of freedom, a peoples party, free trade, and theremoval of greed.We have sunk ourselves in a hole to the point where we can't get out. We are 54 trillion dollars in debt.

If Iget killed oram announcedmissing for what I've said, Spare my message.

Theres our govenrment. The Government is the problem. We are allowing a greater power to overshadow us so we can quiet.it always has been that way.I believe that there is a greater good for the people of such a mighty country

Anyone with me?

Kamekazi_69

I think you've got it backwards. You kind of sound like some sort of quasi-Libertarian, am I correct?

That being said, most people who think like you do actually embrace greed. They believe that individualism is the be-all-end-all when it comes to economic and social policy, and are against most economic and social regulation. Considering the fact that individualism is based on the belief that people should do whatever is in their individual, 'rational' self-interest (greed by definition), then by your own conclusion, you have contradicted yourself and embraced greed.

If you were really 'against greed' on a large scale, you would be calling for more government intervention, not less, unless you support the greed of corporations over that of your governmental representatives. It just seems like you're picking out parts of different ideologies and stitching them together into some horrific philosophy that not many others completely agree with. Tell me where I'm wrong.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]So what exactly is this new, free, post-revolution nation going to look like?Kamekazi_69

For this to happen you will need to eliminate the ignorance and apathy in the population. The most effective way for this to happen is to cause the population to be out of their natural routine life in which they will complain, now the trick is to not fix the situation so that the people would really have to start thinking about the state of the country. Naturally they will be looking for an entity to place the blame on even though the people are the ones at fault (but as humans we have too much pride to admit that and live in denial so we don't recognize it). What better scapegoat than the government?

Now for the reform of the country, the executive branch of the government should be limited in power and must represent the wishes of the legislative branch, while the legislative branch (congress and senate) becomes the ultimate governing entity. The judicial branch must also be elected and president must be chosen by nation-wide referendum.

[QUOTE="Kamekazi_69"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]So what exactly is this new, free, post-revolution nation going to look like?Bio_Spark

This is beautiful.

"Power to the people! Down with government spending!"

...of course we'll still need to tax you to provide 'free' healthcare. And we won't get that because it's directly in the hands of the people and they NEVER want more taxes EVER for ANYTHING.

"Open market! Industrial growth!"

...but don't grow too much, beacuse then you're the problem. And don't make your products in China where the materials and labor are cheap. You know what? Scrap the free market and growth things.

Be honest with me, kamikazi. Have you ever even taken a high-school level economics or civics course? Does the title of this page mesh with your real philosophies?

Now for the reform of the country, the executive branch of the government should be limited in power and must represent the wishes of the legislative branch, while the legislative branch (congress and senate) becomes the ultimate governing entity.

Aku101

[QUOTE="Kamekazi_69"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]So what exactly is this new, free, post-revolution nation going to look like?xaos

of course...we cannot forget teh kittehs!

[QUOTE="Aku101"]

Now for the reform of the country, the executive branch of the government should be limited in power and must represent the wishes of the legislative branch, while the legislative branch (congress and senate) becomes the ultimate governing entity.

-Sun_Tzu-

the congress and senate would be ultimately be in charge and all members of the congress and senate must be voted in. How would this exactly cause more problems? Alot of problems are caused by the executive branch of the government having too much power.

I would also like to add that all members of the executive branch (except the president) must be voted in by both congress and senate.

[QUOTE="Kamekazi_69"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]So what exactly is this new, free, post-revolution nation going to look like?Aku101

For this to happen you will need to eliminate the ignorance and apathy in the population. The most effective way for this to happen is to cause the population to be out of their natural routine life in which they will complain, now the trick is to not fix the situation so that the people would really have to start thinking about the state of the country. Naturally they will be looking for an entity to place the blame on even though the people are the ones at fault (but as humans we have too much pride to admit that and live in denial so we don't recognize it). What better scapegoat than the government?

Now for the reform of the country, the executive branch of the government should be limited in power and must represent the wishes of the legislative branch, while the legislative branch (congress and senate) becomes the ultimate governing entity. The judicial branch must also be elected and president must be chosen by nation-wide referendum.

Sometimes I want to just see what would happen if the government stopped collecting ALL the taxes. Sure, the Libertarians and conservatives would rejoice, then get all butthurt at the fact that they have no roads, no healthcare, no food stamps, and no safe products (everyone will die because of poisoned dog food :P)

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Aku101"]

Now for the reform of the country, the executive branch of the government should be limited in power and must represent the wishes of the legislative branch, while the legislative branch (congress and senate) becomes the ultimate governing entity.

Aku101

the congress and senate would be ultimately be in charge and all members of the congress and senate must be voted in. How would this exactly cause more problems? Alot of problems are caused by the executive branch of the government having too much power.

[QUOTE="Aku101"]

I declare proposition to eliminate full power from the government and give people more influence on the nations decisions. To modify an open world market thus giving people more wealth. Free Healthcare . We are still the United States of America, and always will be. I would also suggest, industrial growth. instead of having 8/10 of american products coming from china. the manufactoring of good in the US would benefit, thus creating new jobs, thus expanding exportation, thus increasing GDP Kamekazi_69

For this to happen you will need to eliminate the ignorance and apathy in the population. The most effective way for this to happen is to cause the population to be out of their natural routine life in which they will complain, now the trick is to not fix the situation so that the people would really have to start thinking about the state of the country. Naturally they will be looking for an entity to place the blame on even though the people are the ones at fault (but as humans we have too much pride to admit that and live in denial so we don't recognize it). What better scapegoat than the government?

Now for the reform of the country, the executive branch of the government should be limited in power and must represent the wishes of the legislative branch, while the legislative branch (congress and senate) becomes the ultimate governing entity. The judicial branch must also be elected and president must be chosen by nation-wide referendum.

Sometimes I want to just see what would happen if the government stopped collecting ALL the taxes. Sure, the Libertarians and conservatives would rejoice, then get all butthurt at the fact that they have no roads, no healthcare, no food stamps, and no safe products (everyone will die because of poisoned dog food :P)

[QUOTE="Aku101"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] How would an ultimate governing entity solve anything? That sounds like it would cause more problems, if anything. -Sun_Tzu-

the congress and senate would be ultimately be in charge and all members of the congress and senate must be voted in. How would this exactly cause more problems? Alot of problems are caused by the executive branch of the government having too much power.

Actually your proposition would work best, this is assuming the powers are all elected of course yes?

[QUOTE="Hot-Tamale"]

[QUOTE="Kamekazi_69"]

I have come to the point where we the people, are being treated unfair and immorally.For nearly a century,it appears to me that this government has successfully gave us the illusion that we are a priority to our nation and living in a democrasy. That they are enforcing nationalsecurityagianstterrorism, but what about the terrorism that occurs in our nation?Way before the CIA, the FBI was established in the 1940's, we were living inabundant peace as a nation.These entities are not forour "national Security". As much as terrorism is a major concern, it is nothing compared tocorporal crime.Do we really need 20,000 Nuclear weapons to protect us from terrorism? 8 nuclear weapons positioned incertain areas of the globe is enough to put us into a Nuclear winter. Yet all this money goes to the manufacturer ($623 Billion for national security) of weapons that wecan't even use.$85 BillionOF OUR TAX MONEY goes toCorporal welfare. Big oiling industries that on average, require 16 Billion of yearly maintainance. On average, Free Healthcare to Everyone, Everyone, not the poor, not the homeless but Everyone, would cost about 90 Billion annually. So why do industries need all this money? where is all that money going to? and does that mean the corporations come first, and the people can rot? We passed a Stimulus Bill of$800Billion, yet people are declaring bankrupcy, people are losing their homes, and mortgage companies are stillstanding on two feet. We have no money for education, we have no money for healthcare, we have no money for welfare, we have nothing.So listen to me people, the government does not care about its people, it only involves itself in situations that benefits them financially, . Where we live today is not Capitalism, its calledCorporaltism. Think about it.On the news putting blame on street violence and conflict. While any criminal needs to be prosecuted and convicted, butit means nothing compared to what truly happens. Corporal terrorism and crimeis a 261-460 Billion dollar industry. 20 million people die every year due to faulty products distributed . Do we hear any of that on the news?Because we buy a couple of measley stocks, we are living in Capitalism? So its the major corparations who control the economy

Do not believe anything what the media tells you. CNN, FOX News, MSNBC,NBC, all of them areentertainment entities, not news. What we are watching is not news, its entertainment. They tell us nothing. one hour of media coverage about completely irrational and ridiculous subjects. We do not hear anything about Corporal terrorism, about the situation in Iraq, about Welfare being directed to companies only.

Ben Franklin -"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."

Thomas Jefferson -"Does the government fear us? Or do we fear the government? When the people fear the government, tyranny has found victory. The federal government is our servant, not our master."

The Declaration of Independence-"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, - That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

50-60 years ago, we have grown weaker as people of the once "free" nation. We would have been living in a better tomorrow if we had seized complete government control over its people. The Government has complete control over our lives. Would you be infavor, or would disagree yet say nothing because you believe that your opinion is not powerful enough? Next they will tax carbon emission, then . All this impedes our freedom

Our own greed is causing our nations collapse. Yet the people, The True holders of democrasy and freedom don't do anything about it? What we need is another declaration of freedom, a peoples party, free trade, and theremoval of greed.We have sunk ourselves in a hole to the point where we can't get out. We are 54 trillion dollars in debt.

If Iget killed oram announcedmissing for what I've said, Spare my message.

Theres our govenrment. The Government is the problem. We are allowing a greater power to overshadow us so we can quiet.it always has been that way.I believe that there is a greater good for the people of such a mighty country

Anyone with me?

Kamekazi_69

I think you've got it backwards. You kind of sound like some sort of quasi-Libertarian, am I correct?

That being said, most people who think like you do actually embrace greed. They believe that individualism is the be-all-end-all when it comes to economic and social policy, and are against most economic and social regulation. Considering the fact that individualism is based on the belief that people should do whatever is in their individual, 'rational' self-interest (greed by definition), then by your own conclusion, you have contradicted yourself and embraced greed.

If you were really 'against greed' on a large scale, you would be calling for more government intervention, not less, unless you support the greed of corporations over that of your governmental representatives. It just seems like you're picking out parts of different ideologies and stitching them together into some horrific philosophy that not many others completely agree with. Tell me where I'm wrong.

What are you talking about? What is so different about your particular plan for the U.S. government? Don't you realize that if we are not unified in our representation, then each person will just want a piece of the pie for themself? I'm trying not to be too jaded, here, but we need to be realistic. I appreciate your idealism, but come on...

I realize that our current system has its flaws, but if people would be more focused on electing reliable leaders, or running for office themselves, we would not have these monumental problems.

[QUOTE="Hot-Tamale"]

[QUOTE="Aku101"]

For this to happen you will need to eliminate the ignorance and apathy in the population. The most effective way for this to happen is to cause the population to be out of their natural routine life in which they will complain, now the trick is to not fix the situation so that the people would really have to start thinking about the state of the country. Naturally they will be looking for an entity to place the blame on even though the people are the ones at fault (but as humans we have too much pride to admit that and live in denial so we don't recognize it). What better scapegoat than the government?

Now for the reform of the country, the executive branch of the government should be limited in power and must represent the wishes of the legislative branch, while the legislative branch (congress and senate) becomes the ultimate governing entity. The judicial branch must also be elected and president must be chosen by nation-wide referendum.

Kamekazi_69

Sometimes I want to just see what would happen if the government stopped collecting ALL the taxes. Sure, the Libertarians and conservatives would rejoice, then get all butthurt at the fact that they have no roads, no healthcare, no food stamps, and no safe products (everyone will die because of poisoned dog food :P)

What's your point? If I were in charge we would cut back on military spending and put aside some money for universal healthcare; and taxing the rich more while doing it. Trust me, they can afford it.

[QUOTE="Kamekazi_69"][QUOTE="Hot-Tamale"]

Sometimes I want to just see what would happen if the government stopped collecting ALL the taxes. Sure, the Libertarians and conservatives would rejoice, then get all butthurt at the fact that they have no roads, no healthcare, no food stamps, and no safe products (everyone will die because of poisoned dog food :P)

What's your point? If I were in charge we would cut back on military spending and put aside some money for universal healthcare; and taxing the rich more while doing it. Trust me, they can afford it.

Your vocabulary is atrocious but I am upset about how much power corporations have over our government.guynamedbilly

[QUOTE="guynamedbilly"]Your vocabulary is atrocious but I am upset about how much power corporations have over our government.Kamekazi_69

Yeah, let's regulate!

If there is to be another Revolution it must be a peaceful revolution. The Republic seems to be failing as greed and corruption seems to be commonplace. Congress no longer works for the American people but instead lobbyists.The Fed needs to be exposed for being the culprit behind the economic mess we are seeing today. Ron Paul has a bill that would allow the audit of the Federal Reserve. It is a privately owned institution that is printing money out of thin airwith interest needed to be paid back.Talk about an unconstitutional institution. Sadly there will be no effective revolution if the American people continue to live in denial.