reincarnation paradox?

Whats more believable? That something came from nothing or something came from something?

I believe in reincarnation. So there is at least some believability to work with. There is evidence of something.

On the atheist front, they cant answer how something came from nothing. There is no evidence that there was nothing from the beginning. 

So wouldnt that mean reincarnation is more believable than how we exist today?

You've concluded nothing does not = something. How is that true?lo_Pine

[QUOTE="lo_Pine"]You've concluded nothing does not = something. How is that true?slipknot0129

Reincarnation as an explanation still leaves just as many questions as anything else. Let's say I was a koala in my past life. That koala was a spider in its past life. The spider was a bird. And you keep going back and back and back and... then what? Where did this chain of reincarnation begin? You yourself said something can't come from nothing, so how does your reincarnation idea account for this? Where did the very first thing in my reincarnation lineage come from?JinjonatorX

[QUOTE="JinjonatorX"]Reincarnation as an explanation still leaves just as many questions as anything else. Let's say I was a koala in my past life. That koala was a spider in its past life. The spider was a bird. And you keep going back and back and back and... then what? Where did this chain of reincarnation begin? You yourself said something can't come from nothing, so how does your reincarnation idea account for this? Where did the very first thing in my reincarnation lineage come from?slipknot0129

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[QUOTE="JinjonatorX"]Reincarnation as an explanation still leaves just as many questions as anything else. Let's say I was a koala in my past life. That koala was a spider in its past life. The spider was a bird. And you keep going back and back and back and... then what? Where did this chain of reincarnation begin? You yourself said something can't come from nothing, so how does your reincarnation idea account for this? Where did the very first thing in my reincarnation lineage come from?lo_Pine

Everything did not come from nothing, everything was part of a super-dense mass that exploded, the resulting fragments making up the various parts of our universe.  Even if we accepted your premises, I don't know how that proves reincarnation.  Human beings can come from something without their consciousness existing before their physical bodies.

[QUOTE="lo_Pine"][QUOTE="slipknot0129"]I thought I was on to something but it all comes back to the beginning. Since we exist there must have always been something. 

slipknot0129

I think people believe in reincarnation because they can't conceive of the idea of themselves not existing.

Everything did not come from nothing, everything was part of a super-dense mass that exploded, the resulting fragments making up the various parts of our universe.  Even if we accepted your premises, I don't know how that proves reincarnation.  Human beings can come from something without their consciousness existing before their physical bodies.

theone86

Everything did not come from nothing, everything was part of a super-dense mass that exploded, the resulting fragments making up the various parts of our universe.  Even if we accepted your premises, I don't know how that proves reincarnation.  Human beings can come from something without their consciousness existing before their physical bodies.

theone86

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ShadowsDemon

I'd bet money that this topic will morph into the usual OT religion thread.

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ShadowsDemon

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GreySeal9

I'd bet money that this topic will morph into the usual OT religion thread.

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lo_Pine

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ShadowsDemon

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[QUOTE="lo_Pine"]You've concluded nothing does not = something. How is that true?lo_Pine

I've always pondered the possibility. We've come to life once before, so it's not an impossibility that our conscious mind may recreate itself elsewhere, atom by atom, in a new brain, that's totally oblivious to past lives.

When you think of why we die in the the first place, to feed new life, it kind of makes you think. The only reason we don't like death is because it's a natural instinct to fear it. Then again, it was a natural instinct to fear fire, and look how good that stuff turned out to be!

 

On the atheist front, they cant answer how something came from nothing.

slipknot0129

Something comes from nothing all the time. Particles and anti-particles are all the time popping into and out of existence.

Try another argument.

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[QUOTE="lo_Pine"] Well, I guess you were right if we all came from something. Even if nothing = something. Then what you said "since we exist there must have always been something" is true. So, is the perpetuation of the first something God, or is the perpetuation nothing?lo_Pine

Whats more believable? That something came from nothing or something came from something?

I believe in reincarnation. So there is at least some believability to work with. There is evidence of something.

On the atheist front, they cant answer how something came from nothing. There is no evidence that there was nothing from the beginning. 

So wouldnt that mean reincarnation is more believable than how we exist today?

slipknot0129

What if God only created one person: you. Every single time you die, you get placed back into the world, past or present, to gain a new experience. Every single person you've come into contact with is just another form of you, at a different time.

Once you have learned all there is to learn, only then can you truly live.

I've always pondered the possibility. We've come to life once before, so it's not an impossibility that our conscious mind may recreate itself elsewhere, atom by atom, in a new brain, that's totally oblivious to past lives.sune_Gem

If it's totally oblivious to past lives then it's not really your conciousness anymore. It's someone else's. Another person with totally different life experiences, thoughts, feelings, awareness, etc.

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I've always pondered the possibility. We've come to life once before, so it's not an impossibility that our conscious mind may recreate itself elsewhere, atom by atom, in a new brain, that's totally oblivious to past lives.worlock77

If it's totally oblivious to past lives then it's not really your conciousness anymore. It's someone else's. Another person with totally different life experiences, thoughts, feelings, awareness, etc.

aaand /thread

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I've always pondered the possibility. We've come to life once before, so it's not an impossibility that our conscious mind may recreate itself elsewhere, atom by atom, in a new brain, that's totally oblivious to past lives.wis3boi

If it's totally oblivious to past lives then it's not really your conciousness anymore. It's someone else's. Another person with totally different life experiences, thoughts, feelings, awareness, etc.

aaand /thread

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I've always pondered the possibility. We've come to life once before, so it's not an impossibility that our conscious mind may recreate itself elsewhere, atom by atom, in a new brain, that's totally oblivious to past lives.worlock77

If it's totally oblivious to past lives then it's not really your conciousness anymore. It's someone else's. Another person with totally different life experiences, thoughts, feelings, awareness, etc.

So, would you consider someone who suffered fatal amnesia a different person?

I'm not saying I specifically believe in it all, I'm just saying it seems a more possible truth than a lot of other beliefs. The universe is always recycling things after all. Then again you can't share any sort of belief on AtheistSpot.

Let me ask you something.  Have you ever seen a real dinosaur?  Of course you haven't and you never will - FACT. 

That's because they never existed.  And science, heh heh science, is a lie. 

I mean have you actually ever seen a sperm?  We've all tried. 

All you have to do is read and understand the Epsilon tract and the secrets of the universe will be open to you.  This is a life altering experience.  All your mortal fears will be at ease. 

The Epsilon Program.  This time God, it's personal.

http://www.epsilonprogram.com/

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[QUOTE="sune_Gem"]

I've always pondered the possibility. We've come to life once before, so it's not an impossibility that our conscious mind may recreate itself elsewhere, atom by atom, in a new brain, that's totally oblivious to past lives.sune_Gem

If it's totally oblivious to past lives then it's not really your conciousness anymore. It's someone else's. Another person with totally different life experiences, thoughts, feelings, awareness, etc.

So, would you consider someone who suffered fatal amnesia a different person?

I'm not saying I specifically believe in it all, I'm just saying it seems a more possible truth than a lot of other beliefs. The universe is always recycling things after all. Then again you can't share any sort of belief on AtheistSpot.

"Fatal amnesia"? I've never heard of amnesia being fatal, but if it were that person would be dead. So yeah, that person would cease to exist. There are different kinds of amnesia but none really result in permanent loss of all memory.

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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

If it's totally oblivious to past lives then it's not really your conciousness anymore. It's someone else's. Another person with totally different life experiences, thoughts, feelings, awareness, etc.

worlock77

So, would you consider someone who suffered fatal amnesia a different person?

I'm not saying I specifically believe in it all, I'm just saying it seems a more possible truth than a lot of other beliefs. The universe is always recycling things after all. Then again you can't share any sort of belief on AtheistSpot.

"Fatal amnesia"? I've never heard of amnesia being fatal, but if it were that person would be dead. So yeah, that person would cease to exist. There are different kinds of amnesia but none really result in permanent loss of all memory.

Now you're just finding words to pick at to avoid answering the obvious question that was asked.

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[QUOTE="sune_Gem"]

So, would you consider someone who suffered fatal amnesia a different person?

I'm not saying I specifically believe in it all, I'm just saying it seems a more possible truth than a lot of other beliefs. The universe is always recycling things after all. Then again you can't share any sort of belief on AtheistSpot.

sune_Gem

"Fatal amnesia"? I've never heard of amnesia being fatal, but if it were that person would be dead. So yeah, that person would cease to exist. There are different kinds of amnesia but none really result in permanent loss of all memory.

Now you're just finding words to pick at to avoid answering the obvious question that was asked.

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[QUOTE="sune_Gem"]

So, would you consider someone who suffered fatal amnesia a different person?

I'm not saying I specifically believe in it all, I'm just saying it seems a more possible truth than a lot of other beliefs. The universe is always recycling things after all. Then again you can't share any sort of belief on AtheistSpot.

sune_Gem

"Fatal amnesia"? I've never heard of amnesia being fatal, but if it were that person would be dead. So yeah, that person would cease to exist. There are different kinds of amnesia but none really result in permanent loss of all memory.

Now you're just finding words to pick at to avoid answering the obvious question that was asked.

How did I not answer the question? Do I need to spell it out for you? Amnesia doesn't really result in a permanent loss of all memory. So no, the person suffering from amnesia would not really be a different person.