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#1 bluedeathking
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Ok i come from a small town but when i was in high school i knowtic that most people i know who said they are religous or find out that i dont believe in a god seem to not know their ownreligion very well. first off i will say it seem they are only saying since other people around say they are also, so when it come to stuffthat from the bible they dont know that satan is apost to be the most beautiful thing and not the stuff you see in hollywood. it annoy me and i wonder if any one else notice this too.

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Ok i come from a small town but when i was in high school i knowtic that most people i know who said they are religous or find out that i dont believe in a god seem to not know their ownreligion very well. first off i will say it seem they are only saying since other people around say they are also, so when it come to stuffthat from the bible they dont know that satan is apost to be the most beautiful thing and not the stuff you see in hollywood. it annoy me and i wonder if any one else notice this too.

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can you please rephrase what you have said, I cant really make out what your asking
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#3 bluedeathking
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sorry i asking have you found people who think they know there religion but really dont since they only goes off Hollywood verison instead of what actually written in the bible. I kind of hard for me to put in words the sitaution i seen since i try ignor it or get out of them just but simply walking away when it come toso callreligious people.

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[QUOTE="GameGuy642003"][QUOTE="bluedeathking"]

Ok i come from a small town but when i was in high school i knowtic that most people i know who said they are religous or find out that i dont believe in a god seem to not know their ownreligion very well. first off i will say it seem they are only saying since other people around say they are also, so when it come to stuffthat from the bible they dont know that satan is apost to be the most beautiful thing and not the stuff you see in hollywood. it annoy me and i wonder if any one else notice this too.

can you please rephrase what you have said, I cant really make out what your asking

Basically he is saying that some people who claim that they are religious do not really know much about the religion that they are part of or the bible in general. I guess he is saying that some people go along with the religion that they are exposed to most without thinking about it. Asks if you find this annoying.
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If I have this correct you are saying that the people of your school only say they are religious to fit into an even larger crowd of people that claim to be religious; however, they can not be truly religious because they do not know that the devil is apparently the most beautiful of all the angels, fallen or otherwise. Is that it? Now if that is it I will attempt to offer an explanation. It might be because people that age have likely not read the entirety of the bible. Its a very, very long book and while people may have the general gist of it not everyone is going to know every detail of the bible. Now, this may seem like a pretty important matter when concerning the bible but, all in all, its a pretty trivial matter. The devil's beauty does not affect the overall message of the bible so those people could be just as religious as they claim and may just be ignorant to certain facts of scripture. And I think the devil's appearance is discussed in brief within the bible. Also, I think this argument could be used for any specific factoid or event within the bible. Many people have not read the entire bible, and even if they had, it would be difficult to be knowledgeable of every single thing within it.
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Maybe you should read through your post again, but I think I've got it. You hate how some religious people know little about their religion? I can't say I know for sure, but a lot of the religious people I know are that way simply because they were brought up in a religious family. When you're young and you are told that something is true, then you'll believe it's true without question, especially when it's coming from someone you trust, like a parent.
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I believe there's a verse in the book of Galations that says that Satan can appear as an angel of light in order to trick people into thinking that he's good. In theory, Satan would be able to change his appearence at will; so there's no reason to assume that his neutral form is a red skinned goatee wearing man who has two horns and a tail. He's often portrayed as something like that; it's an attempt to manipulate people into fearing him.

EDIT: the verse I was referring to is in the book of 2Corinthians-- not Galatians. My bad.

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I think I understand now, I do know what you are saying many people do say they are religious and believe in God because its the "in" thing to do and because the people around them are doing it. That is totally wrong and it is obvious that they have never taken the messages of the Bible seriously or have understood it. I believe the Bible contains many many things and like Clayron said no one will ever know everything there is to know in the Bible but the Bible has been called the "Book of Life" and I do believe this is a true title for the Bible for it tells us how to truly live and only someone who wants to understand that will accept it. So these people you are talking about seem like they are not truly what they seem to claim to be. You are correct in being annoyed by these people
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I believe there's a verse in the book of Galations that says that Satan can appear as an angel of light in order to trick people into thinking that he's good. In theory, Satan would be able to change his appearence at will; so there's no reason to assume that his neutral form is a red skinned goatee wearing man who has two horns and a tail. He's often portrayed as something like that; it's an attempt to manipulate people into fearing him.

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Thats totally true, Satan is often called The Deceiver and that is very true

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[QUOTE="clayron"]If I have this correct you are saying that the people of your school only say they are religious to fit into an even larger crowd of people that claim to be religious; however, they can not be truly religious because they do not know that the devil is apparently the most beautiful of all the angels, fallen or otherwise. Is that it? Now if that is it I will attempt to offer an explanation. It might be because people that age have likely not read the entirety of the bible. Its a very, very long book and while people may have the general gist of it not everyone is going to know every detail of the bible. Now, this may seem like a pretty important matter when concerning the bible but, all in all, its a pretty trivial matter. The devil's beauty does not affect the overall message of the bible so those people could be just as religious as they claim and may just be ignorant to certain facts of scripture. And I think the devil's appearance is discussed in brief within the bible. Also, I think this argument could be used for any specific factoid or event within the bible. Many people have not read the entire bible, and even if they had, it would be difficult to be knowledgeable of every single thing within it.

I know some supposed "Christians" that wouldn't even know why we celebrate Christmas, let alone read through the bible. They are religious because their family is religious, full stop. Almost like it's an inherited trait.
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[QUOTE="clayron"]If I have this correct you are saying that the people of your school only say they are religious to fit into an even larger crowd of people that claim to be religious; however, they can not be truly religious because they do not know that the devil is apparently the most beautiful of all the angels, fallen or otherwise. Is that it? Now if that is it I will attempt to offer an explanation. It might be because people that age have likely not read the entirety of the bible. Its a very, very long book and while people may have the general gist of it not everyone is going to know every detail of the bible. Now, this may seem like a pretty important matter when concerning the bible but, all in all, its a pretty trivial matter. The devil's beauty does not affect the overall message of the bible so those people could be just as religious as they claim and may just be ignorant to certain facts of scripture. And I think the devil's appearance is discussed in brief within the bible. Also, I think this argument could be used for any specific factoid or event within the bible. Many people have not read the entire bible, and even if they had, it would be difficult to be knowledgeable of every single thing within it.PernicioEnigma
I know some supposed "Christians" that wouldn't even know why we celebrate Christmas, let alone read through the bible. They are religious because their family is religious, full stop. Almost like it's an inherited trait.

I agree, there are plenty of people like that. But being unaware of certain facets of your religion does not necessarily make one not as religious as they claim to be. Like anything else religion has to be learned and when the subject matter is as large as Christianity its not hard to understand that some things will not be fully fleshed out in favor of the overall message.

Also, I believe the history of Christmas deals something with how another religion had a celebration on the 25th of December. Not really enjoying this was the church and they decided to sort of strong arm the celebration and make it about baby Jesus to quiet down the other religion. I want to say Paganism. But I am probably wrong.

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[QUOTE="PernicioEnigma"][QUOTE="clayron"]If I have this correct you are saying that the people of your school only say they are religious to fit into an even larger crowd of people that claim to be religious; however, they can not be truly religious because they do not know that the devil is apparently the most beautiful of all the angels, fallen or otherwise. Is that it? Now if that is it I will attempt to offer an explanation. It might be because people that age have likely not read the entirety of the bible. Its a very, very long book and while people may have the general gist of it not everyone is going to know every detail of the bible. Now, this may seem like a pretty important matter when concerning the bible but, all in all, its a pretty trivial matter. The devil's beauty does not affect the overall message of the bible so those people could be just as religious as they claim and may just be ignorant to certain facts of scripture. And I think the devil's appearance is discussed in brief within the bible. Also, I think this argument could be used for any specific factoid or event within the bible. Many people have not read the entire bible, and even if they had, it would be difficult to be knowledgeable of every single thing within it.clayron

I know some supposed "Christians" that wouldn't even know why we celebrate Christmas, let alone read through the bible. They are religious because their family is religious, full stop. Almost like it's an inherited trait.

I agree, there are plenty of people like that. But being unaware of certain facets of your religion does not necessarily make one not as religious as they claim to be. Like anything else religion has to be learned and when the subject matter is as large as Christianity its not hard to understand that some things will not be fully fleshed out in favor of the overall message.

Also, I believe the history of Christmas deals something with how another religion had a celebration on the 25th of December. Not really enjoying this was the church and they decided to sort of strong arm the celebration and make it about baby Jesus to quiet down the other religion. I want to say Paganism. But I am probably wrong.

I'm definitely not saying that these people are any less religious than they claim to be, what I'm saying is their belief is nothing more than what is essentially brainwashing, they didn't make a concious decision to believe in God because God has been a reality to them for as long as they remember.
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their belief is nothing more than what is essentially brainwashing, they didn't make a concious decision to believe in God because God has been a reality to them for as long as they remember.PernicioEnigma

I'd recommend not generalizing with that point :)

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[QUOTE="clayron"]

[QUOTE="PernicioEnigma"] I know some supposed "Christians" that wouldn't even know why we celebrate Christmas, let alone read through the bible. They are religious because their family is religious, full stop. Almost like it's an inherited trait.PernicioEnigma

I agree, there are plenty of people like that. But being unaware of certain facets of your religion does not necessarily make one not as religious as they claim to be. Like anything else religion has to be learned and when the subject matter is as large as Christianity its not hard to understand that some things will not be fully fleshed out in favor of the overall message.

Also, I believe the history of Christmas deals something with how another religion had a celebration on the 25th of December. Not really enjoying this was the church and they decided to sort of strong arm the celebration and make it about baby Jesus to quiet down the other religion. I want to say Paganism. But I am probably wrong.

I'm definitely not saying that these people are any less religious than they claim to be, what I'm saying is their belief is nothing more than what is essentially brainwashing, they didn't make a concious decision to believe in God because God has been a reality to them for as long as they remember.

its just that the people that grew up in a religious family and have known this religious theme all their lives become numb to its true purpose. These people blindly narrow down religion to a set of rules and regulations you have to follow and not for what it truly is.
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#15 PernicioEnigma
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[QUOTE="PernicioEnigma"]their belief is nothing more than what is essentially brainwashing, they didn't make a concious decision to believe in God because God has been a reality to them for as long as they remember.Aero5555

I'd recommend not generalizing with that point :)

If we can't generalize then there really isn't much any of us can say on this matter...