Religious Topic

Unless they find complete rock hard proof for everything, then pretty much everything requires faith. For all I know i could be in the matrix right now and robots could be controlling my thoughts:|

magnax1

I see what you are saying, but it's just a mere intellectual debate we are having. Why do you need to prove by scientific method? It definetly raises some questions. Because there is truly no utility or purpose in seeing or realizing God. Inspiration is higher than intelligence......But essential to know what's the real source of everything. Imagine there is nothing in this whole universe, an intelligent robot won't do anything but a human being will look for light because he has hope even if there is none, something inspires him to move forward. Can it be proved? Heck no....there is no need to do it.

Blubadox

[QUOTE="Blubadox"]I see what you are saying, but it's just a mere intellectual debate we are having. Why do you need to prove by scientific method? It definetly raises some questions. Because there is truly no utility or purpose in seeing or realizing God. Inspiration is higher than intelligence......But essential to know what's the real source of everything. Imagine there is nothing in this whole universe, an intelligent robot won't do anything but a human being will look for light because he has hope even if there is none, something inspires him to move forward. Can it be proved? Heck no....there is no need to do it.

foxhound_fox

The only reason I get involved in these arguments is to prove the point that you don't need God or the promise of eternal happiness to live a happy and successful life. If anything, the understanding that this is the only life you get, makes you appreciate it that much more. For if you waste it, its all you get and there is no way to "save" yourself after.

I'm afraid I am not like you, I don't like a generic sophomoric life....i mean what's the point. The idea of God is essential because sooner or later everyone will crack up and start complaining about faith/religion/God etc and about how unfair their lives have been compared to others At that time you go looking for proof. Not everyone can do this ofcourse, it takes a real man to do it.

Yes. Even if someone says, "no, I know," they have faith in that "knowledge."Maddy_K

It's not knowledge, its faith they're calling "knowledge."

I'm afraid I am not like you, I don't like a generic sophomoric life....i mean what's the point. The idea of God is essential because sooner or later everyone will crack up and start complaining about faith/religion/God etc and about how unfair their lives have been compared to others At that time you go looking for proof. Not everyone can do this ofcourse, it takes a real man to do it.

Blubadox

I'm a firm believer in natural theology, but I don't have a problem with faith whatsoever.

I'm a firm believer in natural theology, but I don't have a problem with faith whatsoever.

Theokhoth

I am just wondering.

Can we please not talk about religion? Religions are meaningless, pointelss, idiotic and not for 21st century.

Religions are meaningless, pointelss, idiotic and not for 21st century.

TraXxX

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I'm a firm believer in natural theology, but I don't have a problem with faith whatsoever.

Teenaged

I am just wondering.

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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

I'm a firm believer in natural theology, but I don't have a problem with faith whatsoever.

mindstorm

I am just wondering.

Can we please not talk about religion? Religions are meaningless, pointelss, idiotic and not for 21st century.

TraXxX

Can we please not talk about religion? Religions are meaningless, pointelss, idiotic and not for 21st century.

TraXxX

[QUOTE="TraXxX"]

Can we please not talk about religion? Religions are meaningless, pointelss, idiotic and not for 21st century.

illegalimigrant

How exactly did natural selection choose those of religion over those of non-religion?

BumFluff122

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]How exactly did natural selection choose those of religion over those of non-religion?

foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]How exactly did natural selection choose those of religion over those of non-religion?

foxhound_fox

This kinda fails to take into account religions that have tenets of nonviolence. . .

[QUOTE="illegalimigrant"][QUOTE="TraXxX"]

Can we please not talk about religion? Religions are meaningless, pointelss, idiotic and not for 21st century.

BumFluff122

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[QUOTE="illegalimigrant"] Can you explain if Religion is idiotic then why did natural selection choose people with religion over people with no religion?illegalimigrant

That is not necessarily true. Religion or man's tendency to have religion could very well be a neutral trait. Or if religion is a legitimate genetic predisposition, then it could be part of some other advantageous aspect of humanity. The tendency to socialize, for instance.

I can only very much hope that I am mortal just like everyone else.

Eternal life is the worst punishment you can inflict upon a sentient being. There will be no reason to do anything in eternal life and it would feel like the worst kind of prison to me. You will watch everyone you love and care about die over and over again. You live on while those you love and cherish die.

Death is the ultimate freedom. Death is the freedom from the pains, suffering and needs of life. When you're death or no longer consciouss you don't have to worry about anything. You don't feel pain anymore, you don't suffer anymore and you are not enslaved to the material needs of life. If there is anything that scares me the most it's an eternal life which I think is the real Hell.

When I'm 120 years old I want to die and rest in peace just like everyone else FOREVER. Death is what I consider eternal peace.

Just as there is no hard evidence that God does not exist, there is no evidence that he does.btaylor2404

BucketsOfSpunk

If you read Lee Strobels a case for a creator, you could make the argument that you dont need faith to believe in an ultimate creator. I'm agnostic but I have to admit that the book gives some very compelling scientific evidence from some very prominant scientists in all different fields that a creator of some sort exists.

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]How exactly did natural selection choose those of religion over those of non-religion?

foxhound_fox

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[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]How exactly did natural selection choose those of religion over those of non-religion?

illegalimigrant

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

[QUOTE="illegalimigrant"] Can you explain if Religion is idiotic then why did natural selection choose people with religion over people with no religion?illegalimigrant

Whether you or anyone else wants to believe it or not, nothing happens after we die. Our consciences will cease to be and it will be just like it was before we were born, nothingness.ManifestoJoe

I can agree with that. We create an ultimate maker to deal with our existential human conditions...it's a way to make us feel better about the fact that we have no meaning and we have a finite time of existence

[QUOTE="BucketsOfSpunk"]AngelofDeath213

If you read Lee Strobels a case for a creator, you could make the argument that you dont need faith to believe in an ultimate creator. I'm agnostic but I have to admit that the book gives some very compelling scientific evidence from some very prominant scientists in all different fields that a creator of some sort exists.

Lindsosaurus

[QUOTE="AngelofDeath213"][QUOTE="BucketsOfSpunk"]BucketsOfSpunk

If you believe in God ,then you have Faith in God. Not "faith" when the mood strikes.

[QUOTE="BucketsOfSpunk"][QUOTE="AngelofDeath213"] Welcome back, Deity_Slapper. I was wondering when you would return. :)AngelofDeath213

[QUOTE="Lindsosaurus"]

If you read Lee Strobels a case for a creator, you could make the argument that you dont need faith to believe in an ultimate creator. I'm agnostic but I have to admit that the book gives some very compelling scientific evidence from some very prominent scientists in all different fields that a creator of some sort exists.

BucketsOfSpunk

Maybe not "conclusive evidence", but compelling scientific reasoning and the use of parsimony to indicate that it is more reasonable to think there is a creator rather than to think there isnt, i.e. more scientific evidence pointing towards a creator than away. but hey, did you read my other comment? I'm not sold on the idea either, especially when you look at it from an existential view.

[QUOTE="BucketsOfSpunk"][QUOTE="Lindsosaurus"]

If you read Lee Strobels a case for a creator, you could make the argument that you dont need faith to believe in an ultimate creator. I'm agnostic but I have to admit that the book gives some very compelling scientific evidence from some very prominent scientists in all different fields that a creator of some sort exists.

Lindsosaurus

Maybe not "conclusive evidence", but compelling scientific reasoning and the use of parsimony to indicate that it is more reasonable to think there is a creator rather than to think there isnt, i.e. more scientific evidence pointing towards a creator than away. but hey, did you read my other comment? I'm not sold on the idea either, especially when you look at it from an existential view.

[QUOTE="BucketsOfSpunk"][QUOTE="Lindsosaurus"]

If you read Lee Strobels a case for a creator, you could make the argument that you dont need faith to believe in an ultimate creator. I'm agnostic but I have to admit that the book gives some very compelling scientific evidence from some very prominent scientists in all different fields that a creator of some sort exists.

Maybe not "conclusive evidence", but compelling scientific reasoning and the use of parsimony to indicate that it is more reasonable to think there is a creator rather than to think there isnt, i.e. more scientific evidence pointing towards a creator than away. but hey, did you read my other comment? I'm not sold on the idea either, especially when you look at it from an existential view.

[QUOTE="Lindsosaurus"]

[QUOTE="BucketsOfSpunk"] Who cares about anybody's "case" for a creator. Does it include conclusive evidence? No? Then it's just more wishful thinking.BumFluff122

Maybe not "conclusive evidence", but compelling scientific reasoning and the use of parsimony to indicate that it is more reasonable to think there is a creator rather than to think there isnt, i.e. more scientific evidence pointing towards a creator than away. but hey, did you read my other comment? I'm not sold on the idea either, especially when you look at it from an existential view.

I'm afraid you have to read the book, it's more complex than I have room for here, look it up if you must...it is not my job to convince you...seeing that I am not a christan in the first place

[QUOTE="Lindsosaurus"]

[QUOTE="BucketsOfSpunk"] Who cares about anybody's "case" for a creator. Does it include conclusive evidence? No? Then it's just more wishful thinking.BucketsOfSpunk

Maybe not "conclusive evidence", but compelling scientific reasoning and the use of parsimony to indicate that it is more reasonable to think there is a creator rather than to think there isnt, i.e. more scientific evidence pointing towards a creator than away. but hey, did you read my other comment? I'm not sold on the idea either, especially when you look at it from an existential view.

He was an atheist when he wrote the book

[QUOTE="BucketsOfSpunk"][QUOTE="Lindsosaurus"]

Maybe not "conclusive evidence", but compelling scientific reasoning and the use of parsimony to indicate that it is more reasonable to think there is a creator rather than to think there isnt, i.e. more scientific evidence pointing towards a creator than away. but hey, did you read my other comment? I'm not sold on the idea either, especially when you look at it from an existential view.

He was an atheist when he wrote the book

I'm afraid you have to read the book, it's more complex than I have room for here, look it up if you must...it is not my job to convince you...seeing that I am not a christan in the first place

Lindsosaurus

[QUOTE="Lindsosaurus"]

I'm afraid you have to read the book, it's more complex than I have room for here, look it up if you must...it is not my job to convince you...seeing that I am not a christan in the first place

BumFluff122

and I would say that attempts to prove there isn't one have also failed....it comes down to the fact that we have no way of knowing, only speculation.

[QUOTE="Lindsosaurus"]

[QUOTE="BucketsOfSpunk"] A book written by a believer will obviously highlight "scientific reasonings" that support his belief. It's not that there's more going that way than the other. In fact, the absolute lack of evidence itself points more towards no creator existing. Also, why does a higher power, if ever found, have to be a creator?BucketsOfSpunk

He was an atheist when he wrote the book

Right my bad, because it's crazy to think that people who don't have religion or believe in god one day find their way there. That never happens.

[QUOTE="BucketsOfSpunk"][QUOTE="Lindsosaurus"]

He was an atheist when he wrote the book

Right my bad, because it's crazy to think that people who don't have religion or believe in god one day find their way there. That never happens.

and I would say that attempts to prove there isn't one have also failed.Lindsosaurus

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[QUOTE="BucketsOfSpunk"] Probably not. He may say so, but the proof is in the pudding.BucketsOfSpunk

Right my bad, because it's crazy to think that people who don't have religion or believe in god one day find their way there. That never happens.

Let people have their "fantasy deities", I suppose for some it is better than the recognition that our lives are completely meaningless and that there is nothing after death. calm down dude, to each their own.

and I would say that attempts to prove there isn't one have also failed....it comes down to the fact that we have no way of knowing, only speculation.

Lindsosaurus

[QUOTE="Lindsosaurus"]and I would say that attempts to prove there isn't one have also failed.BucketsOfSpunk

To be clear, I am on the atheist side of being agnostic, but I have studied the brain extensively and it makes a lot more sense that we have a creator than that we came from the single cell organism that we came from. Our brains are incredible, and science cant explain how we developed from that. It makes intelligent design much more of a possibility.

[QUOTE="Lindsosaurus"]

and I would say that attempts to prove there isn't one have also failed....it comes down to the fact that we have no way of knowing, only speculation.

BumFluff122

all I am saying is that you can't disprove the existance of a creator.

[QUOTE="BucketsOfSpunk"][QUOTE="Lindsosaurus"]and I would say that attempts to prove there isn't one have also failed.Lindsosaurus

To be clear, I am on the atheist side of being agnostic, but I have studied the brain extensively and it makes a lot more sense that we have a creator than that we came from the single cell organism that we came from. Our brains are incredible, and science cant explain how we developed from that. It makes intelligent design much more of a possibility.