Religious Topic

all I am saying is that you can't disprove the existance of a creator.

Lindsosaurus

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[QUOTE="BucketsOfSpunk"] They always will fail because you can't prove that something doesn't exist. Like I said, if there is no evidence for a claim, then it just doesn't exist. If a claim were to be real, the person making the claim would have proof of what he or she is claiming right at that moment, in order to come up with such a declaration to begin with.BucketsOfSpunk

To be clear, I am on the atheist side of being agnostic, but I have studied the brain extensively and it makes a lot more sense that we have a creator than that we came from the single cell organism that we came from. Our brains are incredible, and science cant explain how we developed from that. It makes intelligent design much more of a possibility.

Well someone has to argue the other side, otherwise what is the point. and if you knew the capacity of our brains, you would know what I am taking about. and I don't appreciate the "so cute" comment.

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[QUOTE="Lindsosaurus"]

and I would say that attempts to prove there isn't one have also failed....it comes down to the fact that we have no way of knowing, only speculation.

all I am saying is that you can't disprove the existance of a creator.

[QUOTE="Lindsosaurus"]

all I am saying is that you can't disprove the existance of a creator.

BumFluff122

The point is we dont know, and we dont have the capacity to know.

The point is we dont know, and we dont have the capacity to know.Lindsosaurus

The point is we dont know, and we dont have the capacity to know.

Lindsosaurus

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The point is we dont know, and we dont have the capacity to know.

BumFluff122

exactly

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The point is we dont know, and we dont have the capacity to know.

exactly

[QUOTE="Lindsosaurus"]

[QUOTE="BucketsOfSpunk"] Hee hee. So cute. The fact that our brains are incredible are no indication whatsoever that there may be a creator. No possibility at all. That is just a fantasy idea. It always has been. Are you sure you're atheist? The way you talk sounds like you're leaning towards believing in the fairy tale character.BucketsOfSpunk

Well someone has to argue the other side, otherwise what is the point. and if you knew the capacity of our brains, you would know what I am taking about. and I don't appreciate the "so cute" comment.

I am not ignorant, nor am I naive, if i didnt argue the other side in this forum who would? it would be pretty boring. Unfortunately, I dont know enough about this side because I'm not generally on this side, but I held my own despite your attacks. I happen to be working on my Doctorate and thus logical thinking is part of who I am. I get exactly what you are saying, I call ignorance the inability to see other people's point of view.

exactly

Lindsosaurus

[QUOTE="BucketsOfSpunk"][QUOTE="Lindsosaurus"]

Well someone has to argue the other side, otherwise what is the point. and if you knew the capacity of our brains, you would know what I am taking about. and I don't appreciate the "so cute" comment.

Lindsosaurus

I am not ignorant, nor am I naive, if i didnt argue the other side in this forum who would? it would be pretty boring. Unfortunately, I dont know enough about this side because I'm not generally on this side, but I held my own despite your attacks. I happen to be working on my Doctorate and thus logical thinking is part of who I am. I get exactly what you are saying, I call ignorance the inability to see other people's point of view.

[QUOTE="Lindsosaurus"]

exactly

BumFluff122

and I never said it was true

[QUOTE="Lindsosaurus"]

[QUOTE="BucketsOfSpunk"] Well, naivety is cute to me. Should I just hold it in so I don't crack your shell? Am I supposed to protect your ignorance?BumFluff122

I am not ignorant, nor am I naive, if i didnt argue the other side in this forum who would? it would be pretty boring. Unfortunately, I dont know enough about this side because I'm not generally on this side, but I held my own despite your attacks. I happen to be working on my Doctorate and thus logical thinking is part of who I am. I get exactly what you are saying, I call ignorance the inability to see other people's point of view.

they are in bed, it's too late for them...oops, I didnt say that.

So is there anybody here of a more obscure religion that could stand to be learned about? If this is a generic religion thread, I'd like to hear from some Wiccans, or Satanists, or Taoists. Really, anything notoften heard of, or understood properly.

[QUOTE="BucketsOfSpunk"][QUOTE="Lindsosaurus"]

Well someone has to argue the other side, otherwise what is the point. and if you knew the capacity of our brains, you would know what I am taking about. and I don't appreciate the "so cute" comment.

I am not ignorant, nor am I naive, if i didnt argue the other side in this forum who would? it would be pretty boring. Unfortunately, I dont know enough about this side because I'm not generally on this side, but I held my own despite your attacks. I happen to be working on my Doctorate and thus logical thinking is part of who I am. I get exactly what you are saying, I call ignorance the inability to see other people's point of view.

and I never said it was true

Lindsosaurus

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[QUOTE="BucketsOfSpunk"] Well, naivety is cute to me. Should I just hold it in so I don't crack your shell? Am I supposed to protect your ignorance?BucketsOfSpunk

I am not ignorant, nor am I naive, if i didnt argue the other side in this forum who would? it would be pretty boring. Unfortunately, I dont know enough about this side because I'm not generally on this side, but I held my own despite your attacks. I happen to be working on my Doctorate and thus logical thinking is part of who I am. I get exactly what you are saying, I call ignorance the inability to see other people's point of view.

Ok, you win.

The only reason however he could exist is because there is no way to prove He doesn't exist.BumFluff122

[QUOTE="Lindsosaurus"]

and I never said it was true

BumFluff122

well said.

[QUOTE="BucketsOfSpunk"][QUOTE="Lindsosaurus"]

I am not ignorant, nor am I naive, if i didnt argue the other side in this forum who would? it would be pretty boring. Unfortunately, I dont know enough about this side because I'm not generally on this side, but I held my own despite your attacks. I happen to be working on my Doctorate and thus logical thinking is part of who I am. I get exactly what you are saying, I call ignorance the inability to see other people's point of view.

Ok, you win.

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]The only reason however he could exist is because there is no way to prove He doesn't exist.BucketsOfSpunk

To me, he wouldnt have to be, but I think the whole point to believing in a higher power is that people want to know how and why we are here. Like I said, an answer to the existential human condition.

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[QUOTE="BucketsOfSpunk"] Wow, you keep sinking lower. Try to keep that sense of self-worth in check. Bringing up your education? What does paying for a college education have to do with how logical you are? Anyone can do that. You didn't hold your own, you're just making excuses. I see the other point of view, and by seeing it, I see how nonsensical it is. BucketsOfSpunk

Ok, you win.

I'm sorry, I just had nothing else to say to that ridiculousness

To me, he wouldnt have to be, but I think the whole point to believing in a higher power is that people want to know how and why we are here. Like I said, an answer to the existential human condition.

Lindsosaurus

[QUOTE="Lindsosaurus"]

To me, he wouldnt have to be, but I think the whole point to believing in a higher power is that people want to know how and why we are here. Like I said, an answer to the existential human condition.

BumFluff122

I agree, but to some people it isnt an "imaginary" reason and it serves the purpose of answering that question for them. To each their own right?

I agree, but to some people it isnt an "imaginary" reason and it serves the purpose of answering that question for them. To each their own right?

Lindsosaurus

[QUOTE="BucketsOfSpunk"][QUOTE="Lindsosaurus"]

Ok, you win.

I'm sorry, I just had nothing else to say to that ridiculousness

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

[QUOTE="Lindsosaurus"]

To me, he wouldnt have to be, but I think the whole point to believing in a higher power is that people want to know how and why we are here. Like I said, an answer to the existential human condition.

I agree, but to some people it isnt an "imaginary" reason and it serves the purpose of answering that question for them. To each their own right?

[QUOTE="Lindsosaurus"]

I agree, but to some people it isnt an "imaginary" reason and it serves the purpose of answering that question for them. To each their own right?

BumFluff122

I could not agree more, but they get in this mindset that the purpose of their actually meaningless life is to "serve god" and doing that means pushing their beliefs on you. However, I am okay with them doing this because if they didnt, their existential anxiety would make them all even more crazy, and while that would mean more money for me, we dont need more crazy people in the world.

However, I am okay with them doing this because if they didnt, their existential anxiety would make them all even more crazy, and while that would mean more money for me, we dont need more crazy people in the world.Lindsosaurus

[QUOTE="Lindsosaurus"]

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]But belief in a higher power isn't knowing why we are here. It is filling in the unknown reasons with an 'imaginary' reason or a supernatural reason.

BucketsOfSpunk

I agree, but to some people it isnt an "imaginary" reason and it serves the purpose of answering that question for them. To each their own right?

But it does answer the question for them. the answer is that they were created by god to serve him and do his "will" on earth so that they can eventually go to heaven. and yes it gives them something to fill the void with, but most people use something to fill that void with.

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Convert or die. A community that eliminates heretics is rooting out the "weak." Though, that is a poor interpretation of natural selection.

BumFluff122

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[QUOTE="Lindsosaurus"]

I agree, but to some people it isnt an "imaginary" reason and it serves the purpose of answering that question for them. To each their own right?

Lindsosaurus

I could not agree more, but they get in this mindset that the purpose of their actually meaningless life is to "serve god" and doing that means pushing their beliefs on you. However, I am okay with them doing this because if they didnt, their existential anxiety would make them all even more crazy, and while that would mean more money for me, we dont need more crazy people in the world.

[QUOTE="Lindsosaurus"] However, I am okay with them doing this because if they didnt, their existential anxiety would make them all even more crazy, and while that would mean more money for me, we dont need more crazy people in the world.BucketsOfSpunk

Not to bring up my education again :P but im gonna be a psychologist, thus more crazy people = more work for me

[QUOTE="illegalimigrant"][QUOTE="BumFluff122"]How exactly did natural selection choose those of religion over those of non-religion?

BumFluff122

Im just saying that existentially, our lives are meaningless, but that isnt a bad thing, it just means that we get to create our own meaning, weather that be taking care of our family or serving others etc etc. Thus there is nothing wrong with creating meaning out of a higher power.

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[QUOTE="illegalimigrant"] No man you are ignorant. Every culture around the world has a religion. So according to evolution people or communities that have religion do better than people that don't. Or is evolution wrong?

illegalimigrant

[QUOTE="BucketsOfSpunk"][QUOTE="Lindsosaurus"]

I agree, but to some people it isnt an "imaginary" reason and it serves the purpose of answering that question for them. To each their own right?

But it does answer the question for them. the answer is that they were created by god to serve him and do his "will" on earth so that they can eventually go to heaven. and yes it gives them something to fill the void with, but most people use something to fill that void with.

[QUOTE="Lindsosaurus"]

[QUOTE="BucketsOfSpunk"] They always will fail because you can't prove that something doesn't exist. Like I said, if there is no evidence for a claim, then it just doesn't exist. If a claim were to be real, the person making the claim would have proof of what he or she is claiming right at that moment, in order to come up with such a declaration to begin with.BucketsOfSpunk

To be clear, I am on the atheist side of being agnostic, but I have studied the brain extensively and it makes a lot more sense that we have a creator than that we came from the single cell organism that we came from. Our brains are incredible, and science cant explain how we developed from that. It makes intelligent design much more of a possibility.

[QUOTE="BucketsOfSpunk"][QUOTE="Lindsosaurus"] However, I am okay with them doing this because if they didnt, their existential anxiety would make them all even more crazy, and while that would mean more money for me, we dont need more crazy people in the world.Lindsosaurus

Not to bring up my education again :P but im gonna be a psychologist, thus more crazy people = more work for me

I happen to be working on my Doctorate and thus logical thinking is part of who I am. I get exactly what you are saying, I call ignorance the inability to see other people's point of view.Lindsosaurus

So you are working on a Doctorate in psychology?

My interest is in physics however I believe that psychology and espeically psycholingustics are much closer to the truth than physics. Physicists are under the mistaken assumption that everything is composed of something smaller, like gold or iron is composed of atoms and atoms are composed of something smaller like electrons and the nucleus and the nucleus is in turncomposed of protons and neutrons and that protons and neutrons are in turn composed of small particles called quarks. And although we can't see atoms and electrons, physicists still insist that they objectively exist in macroscopic matter like gold and iron.

So physics is in some sense a religion, not a science.

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[QUOTE="BucketsOfSpunk"] It doesn't answer that question for them! I just gives them something to fill the void with! And that's pathetic!BucketsOfSpunk

But it does answer the question for them. the answer is that they were created by god to serve him and do his "will" on earth so that they can eventually go to heaven. and yes it gives them something to fill the void with, but most people use something to fill that void with.

in their minds and their perception of reality it does answer the question. Just remember that there are multiple ways of knowing, its all based on your personal perceptions and experiences

[QUOTE="BucketsOfSpunk"][QUOTE="Lindsosaurus"] Hee hee. So cute. The fact that our brains are incredible are no indication whatsoever that there may be a creator. No possibility at all. That is just a fantasy idea. It always has been. Are you sure you're atheist? The way you talk sounds like you're leaning towards believing in the fairy tale character.Lindsosaurus

Well someone has to argue the other side, otherwise what is the point. and if you knew the capacity of our brains, you would know what I am taking about. and I don't appreciate the "so cute" comment.

How about the fact that you are able to experience things. That your brain has an entity that controls it. You can't prove it to anyone else but yourself it still does not make it any less true.illegalimigrant

[QUOTE="BucketsOfSpunk"][QUOTE="Lindsosaurus"]

But it does answer the question for them. the answer is that they were created by god to serve him and do his "will" on earth so that they can eventually go to heaven. and yes it gives them something to fill the void with, but most people use something to fill that void with.

in their minds and their perception of reality it does answer the question. Just remember that there are multiple ways of knowing, its all based on your personal perceptions and experiences

[QUOTE="Lindsosaurus"]I happen to be working on my Doctorate and thus logical thinking is part of who I am. I get exactly what you are saying, I call ignorance the inability to see other people's point of view.X4D

So you are working on a Doctorate in psychology?

My interest is in physics however I believe that psychology and espeically psycholingustics are much closer to the truth than physics. Physicists are under the mistaken assumption that everything is composed of something smaller, like gold or iron is composed of atoms and atoms are composed of something smaller like electrons and the nucleusand thenucleusis composed of protons and neutrons and that protons and neutrons are in turn composed of small particles called quarks. And although we can't see atoms and electrons, physicists still insist that they objectively exist in macroscopic matter like gold and iron.

So physics is in some sense a religion, not a science.

Brilliant! I honestly never thought about it like that, although I admit my knowledge in physics is limited.

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[QUOTE="BucketsOfSpunk"] No no no... it DOES NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION... for them, they THINK it answers the question for them. There's a big difference between placebo, and distinct, undeniable reality.BucketsOfSpunk

in their minds and their perception of reality it does answer the question. Just remember that there are multiple ways of knowing, its all based on your personal perceptions and experiences

yes, but our perceptions of it may be slightly different and considering that we interact with each other and our environment, our differing perceptions become important to respect and acknowledge.

I think what is more amazing is that you think you know everything and can't accept the beliefs of anyone else. So therefore you have to ridicule rather than argue.illegalimigrant

[QUOTE="BucketsOfSpunk"][QUOTE="Lindsosaurus"]

in their minds and their perception of reality it does answer the question. Just remember that there are multiple ways of knowing, its all based on your personal perceptions and experiences

yes, but our perceptions of it may be slightly different and considering that we interact with each other and our environment, our differing perceptions become important to respect and acknowledge.

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[QUOTE="BucketsOfSpunk"]

Well someone has to argue the other side, otherwise what is the point. and if you knew the capacity of our brains, you would know what I am taking about. and I don't appreciate the "so cute" comment.

illegalimigrant

Thank you.